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#76 Report | Quote[en] 

Maximus (atys)
Come on, when one joins the Maraudeurs, he perfectly knows what he gets into. These are KILLERS that have been KILLING homins for DECADES. What part of this can't you get ?

It's like a big gigantic sign saying :
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HELLO, WE ARE KILLERS, WE HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR FATHERS, MOTHERS, BROTHERS, SISTERS, SONS, DAUGHTERS, LOVERS AND FRIENDS FOR DECADES. WE HAVE NO RULES EXCEPT BRUTEFORCE AND STRENGTH.

What part of that won't you understand ?
My character is pretty moderate and yet, he thinks everyone who associates with Marauders should just be sentenced to death or at least banned for life. It is no frozen conflict... It's pretty much ongoing and as always been ongoing since the new beginnings...

Wow...

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#77 Report | Quote[en] 

Virg (atys)
Maximus (atys)
Come on, when one joins the Maraudeurs, he perfectly knows what he gets into. These are KILLERS that have been KILLING homins for DECADES. What part of this can't you get ?

It's like a big gigantic sign saying :
MarauderBoard
HELLO, WE ARE KILLERS, WE HAVE BEEN KILLING YOUR FATHERS, MOTHERS, BROTHERS, SISTERS, SONS, DAUGHTERS, LOVERS AND FRIENDS FOR DECADES. WE HAVE NO RULES EXCEPT BRUTEFORCE AND STRENGTH.

What part of that won't you understand ?
My character is pretty moderate and yet, he thinks everyone who associates with Marauders should just be sentenced to death or at least banned for life. It is no frozen conflict... It's pretty much ongoing and as always been ongoing since the new beginnings...

Wow...

Just to be clear, it's how my character perceives the marauders. I'm not implying it's the OOC truth nor am I implying it is how I think IRL.

#78 Report | Quote[en] 

i know right virg, kinda over the top, sure mara can be played as bad guys, and yes i've said that it's a harder way of life, but it should by no means be impossible or without rewards or perks. (i'm still waiting for the upper branches to come about, so mara can have more to do, and lands where they are treated as just another homin.)

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#79 Report | Quote[de] 

Maximus (atys)
Just to be clear, it's how my character perceives the marauders. I'm not implying it's the OOC truth nor am I implying it is how I think IRL.

As long as it is a personal opinion, it's perfectly fine. ;)

I, both as a player and a character take the position that history is written by the winners, never the loosers. Nowadays, in real life, we have so many possibilities to preserve the truth (as well as the lies), but look at mankinds past. Was Vlad Draculea as bad as they say? Almost all we have left about him is a few pages of 15th Century propaganda flyleafs. He obviously was gruesome. What we not have is the fact that most likely all the other rulers were just as bad, but had the better (paid) press.

Looking at Atys, I see the same mechanisms at work. The perception of Matis is that bad because most of what we have are the writings of Tryker and Zorai historians. Salazar, as a Matis historian, understands the traps in those; after all, it would be no point in being a historian if he wouldn't. As a politician he abstracts even more: he looks at the Marauders up there in the Matis desert and thinks about both the damage they did in Matis lands, if they did at all, as well as at the use they might have. Finally, as a priest he *knows* (as only religious people know ;) ) that Jena will have mercy on the fallen.

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#80 Report | Quote[en] 

When I went Mara there was no Mara faction left. I did not want to play Mara the way it was played on Aris or Aniro. I did not see any harm in this; I was not trying to change the Lore.  I just wanted to have fun and play Mara differently from what I had seen since first discovering Ryzom. This is after all meant to be a sandbox game. I soon found out how wrong I was.

I am not an expert on Ryzom Lore, but as an anthropologist, I could talk about how lore is a narrative, and how like the real world Ryzom is a storied world, stories that we ourselves are living out.  I could explain how narratives are dynamic, fluid and adaptive to the moment, and are always coming into being with their retelling.  I could talk about how relevant alterity is to the Lore on Marauders. I could talk about how, in their own way, factions are as dynamic, fluid and adaptive as narratives. As Salazar mentions, I could talk about how, although history is a set of lies agreed upon, just because something never happened does not mean that it is not true.  I could talk about how this could be used as means of bridging the gap between the different servers' rp and Lore.  But I'm out, this is sandbox game where you are not allowed to play with the sand.

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#81 Report | Quote[fr] 

Suboxide (atys)
Salazar FH already has anti mara guards and some other towns now (they check db if you did mara rite you are kill on sight), Taliari has asked them to be added to the place where the fair will be held and event team has said yes we will add them there so mara can't show at all.

ceci est faux... Jamais les Taliari ont demandé de renforcer les gardes anti-marau. Il a uniquement été dit que (RP parlant bien evidement!) les maraudeurs n'etaient pas les bienvenus dans le monde economique des lacs, représenté par ce marché, et que l'UFA (personnages taggués joués par de de vrais joueurs) ferait son travail en sécurisant le marché.
les gardes anti-marau peuvent etre "réglés" il me semble, nous n'avons jamais reçu de retour de la part des maraudeurs (à part des attaques directes) sur ce réglage, le but de ces gardes etait d'empecher les maraudeurs d'entrer en ville facilement... pas de degouter les joueurs maraudeurs et créer ces tensions entre-communautés.
Suboxide (atys)
Mara have trainers and matis merchants in camp and today we finally got access to hairdressers and tatooist. Still not a single mission or anything tough, no occupation, no ... so it's actually mostly a death camp with guards that don't work at all. (Kind of funny they can make anti-mara guards in 12h and not pro-mara guards to protect the mara camp)

je suis entièrement d'accord avec toi! J'imagine que les maraudeurs ont déja fait la demande officiellement pour cet ajout (via mail ig a event@ryzom.com). Il est tout à fait logique que si les maraudeurs soient interdit d'entrer en ville, les non-maraudeurs soient interdit d'entrer dans le camps! (ou alors, par la force!)

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Commandant de l'Unité Fédérale Armée
Citoyen célèbre Tryker
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#82 Report | Quote[en] 

Don't lie Jazzy pretty sure you where at that meeting:

http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=post/view/144180

There are 10 booths. Although it is a Tryker Fair, guilds from other regions are invited to hire a booth but Marauders (*2) are banned by overwhelming vote of the Taliar, they can neither attend to buy any items nor hold a booth to sell any items, in fact the guards will probably be reinforced to ensure they are allowed no where near the fair
 

=> i'm not gonna cover that whole forum thread but later on even Tamarea had her say wich i'm still not good from. But yes it seems tamarea says in it all abuse RP wise and other stuff against somebody choosing mara is allowed so keep going on pls. Do the whole I hate you as a person because you got a title above your head it really shows how much of a grown up you are. In real life ppl over are getting sentenced for pestering and harrasement but seems RPwise (toughth RPers always say RP is like real life) get total freedom to pest and harras ppl away from the game with the help of event team. Where those guards ever on aniro actually?

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#83 Report | Quote[fr] 

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Suboxide, le passage que tu cite fait visiblement référence aux gardes joués par les joueurs (l'UFA). Et vous parlez des guardes PNj, que les Taliari n'ont visiblement pas demandé ? pas dans cette citation en tout cas.

Donc, non Jazzy ne ment pas. Mais la traduction semble ignorer les subtilités du langage et amener beaucoup d'incompréhension.

La traduction est à la base d'un grand nombre de mélange, dans ces histoires. Il faudrait apprendre à s'arrêter, à lire les choses plus tranquillement, à demander peut-être à un ami parlant français et anglais si ce qu'on a compris est bien ce qui est dit, en tout cas chaque fois qu'on sent la colère monter.

[EN]
(English is not my natal language, and hard for me to speak in this language, so please read my intervention with gentillesse).

Suboxide, your quote is referring to the guards played by players (UFA). And you talk about guard NPC, who Taliari seem did not ask? not in this quote anyway.

So Jazzy does not lie. But the translation seems to ignore the subtleties of language and bring a lot of misunderstanding.

The translation create a lot of misunderstanding, a lot of dudgeon too. Should learn to stop, and reading things with more quietly. Perhaps ask a friend (who speak French and English) if you understand what other people write, if a bad automatic translation don't creat angry where there are no real problem.

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