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Copy of meeting on Tryker forums
Present at the meeting (alphabetical order):
  • Aerie
  • Governor: Ailan Mac'Kean.
  • Alco
  • Beryl
  • Taliar & GL GoS: Binarabi.
  • Taliar & GL of FS Chanchey
  • Chenli
  • Denrak
  • Eto
  • Fyros Akenak: Icus
  • Commandor of the Tryker Army: Jazzy
  • Khalaoden
  • Translater: Krill.
  • Locian Wyler
  • Luminatrix
  • Lyliandra
  • Mallo
  • Najma
  • Taliar and GL of SA Meagon
  • New Refugee: Miryai
  • Theocracy: Mjollren
  • Ranger: Naema
  • Sagen
  • Seternulon
  • New Refugee: Tavi
  • Tylaikna.
  • Ozwomen
The Tryker Governor Nair- Ailan Mac'Kean began the meeting with the agenda:
1 Nizyros trial
2 tryker fair
3 towns banner
4 Flyners experiments
5 matis kitin study group
6 water or beer road
7 Miss and Mister Atys
and... free drink at the bar!

1 Nizyros trial    
The marauder traitor Nizyros will be judged in a few days, in Fairhaven on Saturday 18th October, 21:15 CEST.
The jury will include three Trykers, one kara follower, one kami follower, and one neutral (3 players) and will be lead by a federal judge (played by Event Team)
It will be a public trail but will occur under heavy guard. Of course we invite ambassadors from other nations to attend
Please read the public announcement (Events Forum) for more details
The trial should not take very long as Nizyros has surrendered so the trial is just a formality
The AFU will ensure the security during the trial

2      The Tryker fair
During this discussion Aerie raised an issue not on the agenda - that all outposts in the Lakes should be Tryker (*1)

There are 10 booths. Although it is a Tryker Fair, guilds from other regions are invited to hire a booth but Marauders (*2) are banned by overwhelming vote of the Taliar, they can neither attend to buy any items nor hold a booth to sell any items, in fact the guards will probably be reinforced to ensure they are allowed no where near the fair

There will be a public announcement of the Fair and a possible date is Sunday 26th November - it will be an all-day event and guilds and independent homins are invited to submit a request for a stall (izam mail to Binarabi) and to pledge 5% of their takings of the Day to Jazzy for the support of the Tryker Guards (payable at the end of the day)

Homins/guilds will be asked to submit their request for a stall 2 weeks before the event
It is hoped that Fireworks can be arranged via Padger of the Beachcombers Guild

A special notice board will be used in Fairhaven showing who is selling what and there is a possibility that a notice will be put in the major cities in the Zora, Matis and Fyros lands.

(*2)Makan and Aerie agreed with Icus who spoke against mara using the market, citing dirty money and their antipathy towards them as well as their fear of loosing long held traditions. Jazzy firmly said if he saw a maurader in the Lakes he would kill them
In the vote on whether we were "for" or "against" hiring out stalls to non-tryker guilds, except for marauder guilds, Aerie, Eto, Chanchey voted for, with Meagon accidently voting against and later correcting this and Binarabi voting against refusing to allow the mauraders to have a stall. When asked if maruaders would be allowed to shop there - Eto responded that he would reinforce the guards to refuse them this opportunity and Jazzy complained that maraurders use poor trykers to gain money

(*1) Not on the agenda:
The meeting then returned to an item not on the agenda - Nair-Aeri hopes of tryker outposts all being under the Tryker banner with, especially, their mats sold on the Lakes market. Locian Wyler stated that Trykers are free and their underground resoucres should not be under the management of non-Trykers. Regardless of religion all ops should be under Tryker management and the resources shared with Trykers, as well as their religious alliance and that these ops would have a Tryker banner flying in the outpost to show it is a Federation outpost

Binarabi stated that as owner of Fount Porch Trade Post - she had a guildie who gives out greslin piks - but she had never asked the Kami Alliance if this is okay, perhaps she should, and also offer piks in the Tryker Channel. She also stated that a Tryker war against a Fyros guild would be very difficult and possibly a waste of money , thinking of Loria Stronghold.
It was suggested that Binarabi ask for ownershhip of Loria Stronghold but she thought it highly unlikely the Kami would grant ownership and also unlikely that they would agree to the sharing of op mats with those Trykers in the Federation. The Greenvale Outpost was also mentioned.

At the end of the meeting Aeerie agreed to write separatly on this topic and Binarabi agreed to write about the Tryker Fair and the minutes of the meeting

6 Water or beer road

Ailan Mac'Kean asked if anyone had heard about the water or beer road, Jazzy confirmed that he was contacting Nair-Lerya

5 The study of the kitin

Nair-Ambassador Alco stated that the Matis Kingdom has decided to create a study college for the caged kitin made of made of five matis, two zoraîs, two trykers, and one consulting ranger and they want names of the Trykers who would like to volunteer for this project


Meeting ended 23.30 UTC, next Assembly in Fairhaven, Frogmore Place, will take place towards the end of October, 10:00 pm CST, hence 8:00 pm UTC
Agenda
Matters arising from last meeting (Nizyros trial, progress of Tryker Fair) and the following:
1 Discussion regarding Guardians of Shadows and its marauders members
2 Town banner
3 Flyners experiments
4 Water or beer road
5 Miss and Mister Atys

If you want to add anything to the agenda please reply to this posting. Separate posts will also be set up for various matters arising

Last edited by Binarabi (5 years ago)

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Binarabi
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#2 [en] 

I find it rather odd you choose to exclude marauder in a way, i mean you pansies coul o asked us to bring a fight portion to this for prizes, but either way you can expect a marauder presence i promise you that =)

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#3 [en] 

i seriously doubt the honourable binarabi has any say in who is and isn't allowed to be present.

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#4 [en] 

Binarabi (atys)
1 Discussion regarding Guardians of Shadows and its marauders members

Lol what about GoS trytonists,ranger,neutral,suboxist,... members?

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#5 [en] 

Suboxide (atys)
Lol what about GoS trytonists,ranger,neutral,suboxist,... members?

Suspect they are safe - being as none of them have much of an Aniro History before merge ...

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#6 [en] 

Binarabi (atys)
Suboxide (atys)
Lol what about GoS trytonists,ranger,neutral,suboxist,... members?

Suspect they are safe - being as none of them have much of an Aniro History before merge ...

What about poor Eiki? He's torn between going a spetrist or a lacuner. => he should be informed what is the safestest route to take before making up his mind.


Just wanna add this here from: http://atys.ryzom.com/projects/puben/wiki/L_TrykerGovOrg so ppl can see:
- No Taliar may be excluded or banned because of his opinions.
=> so if your ideas are you can 'convert/brainwash' your guild mara over time you addopted what have those sorry sad asses to say about it to you.
- The Taliari exists of the assembly of guild leaders of citizen guilds with at least 5 active members. In case of expected abscense during a Taliari session, a member may have himself represented by a high officer of his guild.
=> maybe ask em to show you 5 ACTIVE members when voting next time


Anyway you know my idea (mine not GoS statement since GoS is a true free democracy and not a civ ran by a para militant group like the trykers (freedom and trykers > what a joke atm, matis seem more about freedom then trykers atm)) I say f**** those boobs, if they don't want ppl for the nice fun helpfull homins they are but want ppl instead to be doing what they say and only want ppl thinking what they think then they not worth my time anymore.

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#7 [en] 

What i find quite amusing as well is that the french and other players want to believe that hating marauder and killing us is in their "lore" when its not, tis all in their mind, but it is in fact in OUR lore.

Being -100 in all fames i earned the right to wear the marauder title but with this title i did not want to be excluded from events. Hence why im hosting other events as well, now what if i BANNED trykers from coming to MR Atys, How would that go over?

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#8 [en] 

OOC Well, in theory this is RP section/forum and, as yet, not visible to the French but I think it is a poor thing to ban homins

BUT in theory they do hate them - as much as kitin.

Fairs imo are for community to get together - but I am not sure on Aniro they had a community like we did on Aris, think they were very strict RP and anything else is taboo for them - homins need to play they game they want to play - so how about a mara Fair - where mara sell their stuff to homins - would have to be out in a Mysterious Place, pref not the middle of an aggro field - but if it was hard to get there it would be part of the fun as well?

And meanwhile - yes, I suspect Trykers are expecting you to come and attack and they will demand extra guards JUST for the Fair - and Trykers can be comfortable knowing Mara are bad - like they all say

Hope they merge all the posts soon - hate this apartheid if forums

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#9 [en] 

+1 on banning all tryker citizins from MR Atys elections since they not worthy of calling themself homins of atys anyway atm.

Lol on fairs are for the community to get toughether when you ban a part of the community then it's NOT FOR the community of the game but AGAINST the community feeling. Sounds discriminatory to me and I don't understand the event team can feel behind it if they call it an event FOR THE community. In end banning some ppl from going just drives them further appart.

RP wise why trade the same old stuff you can trade daily? A fair should be about trading stuff you can't trade every day of the week the exotic stuff from unarmed homins on markets that you would never trust on the battlefield thats the stuff you need fairs for.

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#10 [en] 

Suboxide (atys)
Lol on fairs are for the community to get toughether when you ban a part of the community then it's NOT FOR the community of the game but AGAINST the community feeling. Sounds discriminatory to me and I don't understand the event team can feel behind it if they call it an event FOR THE community. In end banning some ppl from going just drives them further appart.

OOC event team just let the Taliar vote - they do not manipulate anything - and cannot do anything against a 4 to 1 vote in favour of banning Mara, and, as I said, Aniro homins do not have same idea of community as we did on Aris
Suboxide (atys)
RP wise why trade the same old stuff you can trade daily? A fair should be about trading stuff you can't trade every day of the week the exotic stuff from unarmed homins on markets that you would never trust on the battlefield thats the stuff you need fairs for.

Think that homins are not used to having anything "good" quality on market and despite (me) keeping Fairhaven traders stocked with light/medium max dodge armour and jewels max cold protect and amps that are 84% and max dodge bucklers - I do not think that goes on in many places - rubbish amps on all traders I visited yesterday in all regions - so yes, normal for us (GoS/Fairhaven) but special for rest of Atyss

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#11 [en] 

+1 on that subo this clearly isnt for the ENTIRE community, and Bina, Marauder fair? Nahh, I'll just go about banning the entire Taliar and anyone else on that council from my event and any events in the future

Suboxide (atys)
+1 on banning all tryker citizins from MR Atys elections since they not worthy of calling themself homins of atys anyway atm.

Lol on fairs are for the community to get toughether when you ban a part of the community then it's NOT FOR the community of the game but AGAINST the community feeling. Sounds discriminatory to me and I don't understand the event team can feel behind it if they call it an event FOR THE community. In end banning some ppl from going just drives them further appart.

RP wise why trade the same old stuff you can trade daily? A fair should be about trading stuff you can't trade every day of the week the exotic stuff from unarmed homins on markets that you would never trust on the battlefield thats the stuff you need fairs for.

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"We won our freedom and will not fold to any homin laws of the New Lands. The only law we recognize is ours." ---Hail Melkiar the Black Varinx---

#12 [en] 

Binarabi (atys)
OOC event team just let the Taliar vote - they do not manipulate anything - and cannot do anything against a 4 to 1 vote in favour of banning Mara, and, as I said, Aniro homins do not have same idea of community as we did on Aris

In end just allowing the vote is bad enough. Mara where always really welcome at fairhaven fairs on aristople. Think I bought a booth probably everytime just for fun and quircy stuff rember having the whole guild digging me campfire mats to GIVE out at the fair, doing gambling booths with Ghuiss, Selling fireworks for less then the npc once, ....
If mara would have been allowed then chances on an pvp war would be less there and everyone could enjoy a nice fairhaven fair (where ppl might actually learn to know each other)

Well in end ryzom was seen as a friendly community now ppl are forcing it into a totally unfriendly community and hiding behind RP all the time.

Seems all the taliari want is mara coming to att them so they can point fingers again to show mara always want to wage wars (while it's the taliari asking for a war, then hiding behind extr guards). 
Banning a group of players from an event they where allowed to join in the past (actually we where invited to them and pre merger I was even asked at one to help with my ideas as a mara) is just sad and shows how childish this merged server is.

If the event team want to get events in future where certain homins are banned from coming because the event organiser was banned on one of their events then they are perfectly on track. Stuff like this is not good for the game. But I can understand Lilz perfectly. 
Then we'll end up with 2-3 Mister Atys elections with stupid titles like: 'Elected Mister Atys without Taliari invted' and 'Elected Mister Atys without mara invited' and so on. If it's this kind of childish stuff the community wants then go for it. The fair has always been a 'light RP' event where everyone was welcome banning ppl now from these is just sad. (I can understand some ppl not being allowed at heavy RP story events)

Then again event team neglected mara since the building of the camp was finished on ari and maybe they allowed the vote just to aliante them more so more homins leave mara even so they have to do even less for them? Who knows? 

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#13 [en] 

There is more than one community in the game. Some small communities are called guilds, and no one bats an eye if guild members train with each other mostly, without asking in Universe if anyone else wants to join. Oher examples of smaller communities include language-specific ones, nation-specific ones, religion-specific and so on.

I don't get why there's this damn outrage when an event is tailored for a certain audience. You don't have to be included everywhere, and the presumption to the contrary feels mostly like unwarranted entitlement. I was asked to leave matis assemblies when sensitive information was discussed, and that was normal considering I was fyros-aligned at the time.

Go be friends in English Uni. Or keep going at it in forums, this is as entertaining as Fyranna's ranting about French-only mektoub races.

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#14 [en] 

This isn't an RP event, this is homins selling their stuff and having fun.
It's meant to be a party and if they don't trust ppl then ask them to come tagged and unarmed, so if a mara would equip a sword the tryker army can kill them. (so far for freedom)

I myself am bussy with real life atm but should have time again december at earliest probably januari. If I'll do events again I'll do same as Lilz does and write down the names of the homins I don't wanna see there. I've always done 'light RP' events with the idea everyone wants to have fun and party. But if some homins don't want me at their 'light RP' events that have nothing to do with alignment then I don't wanna see those at mine either. 

Like I say if an event is alignment based you won't see me react like this. But in past we where formally invited to fairhaven fairs we never did something wrong at them on ari and now we are banned and they even wana add more guards so we can't show up. Well thats just stupid. All they wanna do is alianate one group even more.

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#15 [en] 

ps.
That pic was taken on aristople of all the ppl online at the time everyone was welcome there and it was a real community. I teamed there with kami and kara as a mara without getting insults in french and bad english trown after my head in tells to me. It was a fun time where when events where organized everyone was invited (except alignment based ones). Everyone hellped each other and so on.

Now that pic is just a shambles of itself groups of ppl being banned from non alignment based events just because who knows why. Even adding extra guards. Insults in tells when you team with a friend of another alignement. There is no community anymore like you say it's a bunch of small community's forcing eachother into hatred.

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
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