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Tamarea (atys)
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Importance of mutual respect

RP and non-RP players share the same server. Certainly there approach of the game is different, but this is not an unsurmountable problem if everyone makes ​​an effort. When a matter of concern presents itself, if you do not find a solution by talking quietly together, then we advise you to turn to a mediator. In this case, the Animation Team can be called first, since this problem has to do with a role play event.

It is not just a role play event - this issue is not just about the Tryker Fair

What is a RP event?
Tamarea (atys)
[OOC] Intrusion in an out of roleplay (HRP/OCC) manner in a roleplay event (RP/IC) is equally as condemnable as disrespectful roleplay at a non-roleplay event .

The heavy anti-mara guards that have been placed in Dyron have made it practically impossible for a mara guild to access their GH's, the anti-mara guards are placed there for role play - but are making the game life of anyone who has turned mara totally awful - they are now faced with buying guildhalls in the pathetic mara city and having an alt take care of them there and moving all their items - and we all know how any homin of low skills can hardly survive in that miserable place - not to mention that a low level homin cannot do the mara rite.

I am pretty sure that the event team just want an Atyss wide genocide with the Marauders - I do not know why - but please, just be honest, and say they are not going to exist as an alliance because the addition of them is just too much for the game as it stands now - it is only about 20 homins - and they can all have name changes and everything sorted.

I assume that the homins at the meetings who requested these guards are from Aniro - so I do not see decisions like this as "players" but as a group of players who go to (potentially) very tedious meetings (Tryker ones are good - but look how Jazzy was told off for making it NOT obsessively role play!)

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Binarabi
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Mara play isn't supposed to be easy life anyways, deal with it or don't play it. And now again, RP looking, why should Maraudeur be able to enter cities that easely, why should they be able to have an appartment or gh in there ? They are supposed to hate Nations and Higher Powers and be hated by them. Personnaly i'm an RP Mara player ( and from Aniro, baaaaad aniro baaaa) and i don't like to see how the RP part of ryzom became. But you know what ? I'm not forced to play that "all are friends" game, i just continue my way to play, if it means i play alone then i play alone but i won't change because majority of the new Atys don't "follow" the Lore/RP. If you want to play like you did before just do it, it will annoy people who play RP and what ?

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Maxxye (atys)
Mara play isn't supposed to be easy life anyways, deal with it or don't play it. And now again, RP looking, why should Maraudeur be able to enter cities that easely, why should they be able to have an appartment or gh in there ? They are supposed to hate Nations and Higher Powers and be hated by them. Personnaly i'm an RP Mara player ( and from Aniro, baaaaad aniro baaaa) and i don't like to see how the RP part of ryzom became. But you know what ? I'm not forced to play that "all are friends" game, i just continue my way to play, if it means i play alone then i play alone but i won't change because majority of the new Atys don't "follow" the Lore/RP. If you want to play like you did before just do it, it will annoy people who play RP and what ?

It is just some mara will not have a great deal of time - to spend their game time messing about sorting gh's - no real need for it to be honest

And I know some Aniro homins do not like the lax ways of rezzing and grinding with all and sundry - but I think Aniro was dying before merge as well - and how did you welcome new homins to game - with a health warning?

I am also saying it is impossible/difficult to play like we did before - whole world has changed

On the plus side for not-obsessive role play - there is no dominant guild that has all higher level ops and gets all the bosses and controls supernodes - Kami Alliance is wonderful - all homins looked after and very good sharing - might not be perfect - but it is definitly working

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

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actually doesn't that make the kami aliance the ...

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#20 Report | Quote[en] 

No - because it is a lot of guilds - not just one - and they communicate with each other well and have regular meetings and sharing extends to solo homins as well

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

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Yep, just see the result of that "kami alliance". 75% of the server became ( or were before mege) kamis. You may have fun to "dominate" ( ok there i speak of op battles) and maybe SN too but you let the initial game story totaly fall , the kamis VS karas conflict. Now again, how to satisfy every one ?

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Isn't it now: "the kami+kara+kittin VS the mara?"

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

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Don't know if i have to take you in serious or you're just trolling. You are the first one who cries and then this, i don't get you .

#24 Report | Quote[en] 

the last time there was a huge issue over roleplay and lore i believe i said the same thing i'm about to say now:

there is now one server, so all the old stuff needs to be tossed out, and the OFFICALS need to write a new unified lore.

there is NO way to take 3 different lores and make them work as one because there are key events that happened differently on all 3 servers, kinda hard to kill a king, not kill him, and never have him at all.

if ryzom is to really survive and live, it all should have been started over at the very day of merger. not forcing us to try to make 3 lores into one. as bittty will surely say "we all remember bangkok differently". it's time for us to forget "bangkok" completely and start over from a common baseline.

someone's going to tell me how this will hurt someone's toons history, well guess what, because of 3 lore's and 3 servers, it's already hurt, infact based on the post's i've just read (the entire thread) it seams to me that this has already happened. either we all start over at 0, or this will continue forever. starting over at 0 will do much to help in the long run. suddenly there's no history to fight over, suddenly everyone can start over as equals (at least in the open it's even)

sure ryzom is a roleplay game, but i say this to everyone, if you keep pushing your way is the only way to play (hardcore RP players) soon your going to find that there's not enough players to keep the server running, where will you roleplay when there is no ryzom to play?

i play ryzom, on rare days i RP, but my life doesn't revolve around it, and my game play surely doesn't have ANY limit based on RP. i play ryzom to have fun, and someone else telling me how to play in any fashion isn't fun. i understand that the hardcore rp's play that way because they want to, but i'm not trying to force them to play my way (little to no RP) nor am i ever going to play their way where it's all about the rp or nothing at all.

we now have a single forum everyone can read (at least somewhat because of google-trans) so now if we start over with everything, everyone will finally have a chance to offer their opinion's, as a result we now finally all can have ONE voice on the ONE server.

i guess i've ranted enough, but really if we ALL can't find some common ground, and the trend of players leaving the game is going to continue, soon there won't be enough of us still playing to keep the server running at all.


just talk's 2 dappers about an issue that's still not fixed since the merger (i'll see if i can find the other posts related to this and add them to this thread.)

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#25 Report | Quote[en] 

Maxxye (atys)
Don't know if i have to take you in serious or you're just trolling. You are the first one who cries and then this, i don't get you .

That small post I about it being kara/kami/kittin vs mara now, oh well can be seen as trolling just something that came up in my mind.
Like elv said atm long hatred between alot kami/kara; matis/fyros; ... all seem to have stopped all of a sudden, don't even hear about kittin anymore. All seems peacefull and every bit of recources atm is being trown at killing and exterminating the mara wich give it are not really a big treath.

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#26 Report | Quote[en] 

Talkirc (atys)
there is now one server, so all the old stuff needs to be tossed out, and the OFFICALS need to write a new unified lore.

They spent ages putting it all into 1 lore - it will not change now

Talkirc (atys)
starting over at 0 will do much to help in the long run. suddenly there's no history to fight over, suddenly everyone can start over as equals (at least in the open it's even)

We would still have the attitude "Role play or leave" hanging about


Talkirc (atys)
sure ryzom is a roleplay game, but i say this to everyone, if you keep pushing your way is the only way to play (hardcore RP players) soon your going to find that there's not enough players to keep the server running, where will you roleplay when there is no ryzom to play?

Hard core role play blames non hard core for homins leaving
Talkirc (atys)
we now have a single forum everyone can read (at least somewhat because of google-trans) so now if we start over with everything, everyone will finally have a chance to offer their opinion's, as a result we now finally all can have ONE voice on the ONE server.

Yes - and gives us this chance to get sorted somehow - so when we request things (Aris types) we get listened to and a logical answer is provided for us to resolve the various problems

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#27 Report | Quote[en] 

i guess i've just not seen all these hard core RP people leaving near as much as i see the non-rp or semi-rp players leaving.

didn't know they made a single lore that doesn't conflict with it's self 20 times (i don't rp much, but what i do isn't based on the lore because of the 3 server histories)

i don't bow to the will of the hardcore rp, and i don't expect them to bow to mine, but i feel the same way, don't like it, then get over it or leave (i choose to just ignore it, or "get over it", i'll be damned if they make me leave)

let's hope this is the start of us all coming together to try to get past our common differences and try to all enjoy the game we love, without telling each other how to to play, or keeping anyone out of one play style or another because they're x faction or another.

ryzom was started as a PvE game, not a pvp game, stop the fighting of eachother and start fighting with the mob's of the game, and the lack of new content. (rp is not content, it's just words, content is something we can play and interact with)

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Remickla (atys)
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#28 Report | Quote[en] 

This has gone out of hand, as many know i do play RP, but not always, and that's a respectable position, but being forced into a binary situation goes against the "sandbox" idea that makes ryzom so great.

i know some of you have the time and energy to be 100% in character, but some of us dont . Since merger we were asked to make an effort to fit into your way of playing, and so far havebnt seen that same effort from you. i feel what's happening is creating a huge gap between players, and that gap is becoming so violent that is affecting the way many players go about in the game, and will eventually push people off the game.

I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end, as the game wont survive on 50 players paying 12 euros a month, so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope

#29 Report | Quote[fr] 

Astarth (atys)
I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end, as the game wont survive on 50 players paying 12 euros a month, so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope
At around 100€ per month for the server location, 15 player at 8€/month (much closer to reality than 12€/month) is enough, so with 50 we can rent a server + buy a lot of cool beer !

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#30 Report | Quote[en] 

Icus (atys)
Astarth (atys)
I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end, as the game wont survive on 50 players paying 12 euros a month, so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope
At around 100€ per month for the server location, 15 player at 8€/month (much closer to reality than 12€/month) is enough, so with 50 we can rent a server + buy a lot of cool beer !

if its so cheap, why not have 2 servers? another good suggestion that would appease everyone
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