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#31 Report | Quote[fr] 

Astarth (atys)
Since merger we were asked to make an effort to fit into your way of playing, and so far havebnt seen that same effort from you..

So by "we" you mean Aris'/Leanon and "you" Aniro right ? People tried to make efforts but seeing that nothing can be done just stopped to try and left, you liked see "french" player quit the game because it was impossible to make things match ?
Astarth (atys)
I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end ...

That's only what you say/think.. but still a strange thought you have there.
Astarth (atys)
so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope

So now you say/try to make US ( guess french players again) change and play "your" ( now again Aris'/leanon) game style ?

#32 Report | Quote[fr] 

je ne suis pas certaine que ton intervention Icus fasse avancer la conversation,

mais bon c'est ton RP alors je respecte...


...hi hi hi

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#33 Report | Quote[en] 

Maxxye (atys)
So now you say/try to make US ( guess french players again) change and play "your" ( now again Aris'/leanon) game style ?

No - just saying making life so hard for homins who choose certain alliances / races instead of others is a silly role play, no point in being punitive in a game - unless you want to get rid of an alliance/ homins altogether (yes, I know Icus will give 3 cheers - but I assume he is just a one-off)

There is role play and then there is obsession

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#34 Report | Quote[en] 

maxxye to your questions: yes it has been that the issue. the whole kami/karavan alliances were formed on an RP notion that came from aniro, we were even told off for ressing karavans or training with them, it has been that roleplay which gets marauders insulted for no reason other than "its roleplay".

and lets see what should happen if we were to actually follow lore to the letter: first almost every country should hate and wage wars against the matis, as most have more reasons to hate them than marauders, so i take it we should put antimatis guards in FH to avoid them from kidnapping kids for slavery, probably trkers shoudl also get guards to stop zoraîs from entering their cities, and ofc fyros shouldnt be allowed to go into primeroots as they're likely to start anther fire of coriolis.

i hope that for us going trytonist you dont plan to put guards all over atys to stop us

#35 Report | Quote[en] 

Or maybe some just made the choice to fully play the game with story atys is made of. Doesn't mean you can speak with others as you want and when you want.

I wanted to play Mara, i play it with the mara story behind me and the "rules" guild is made of , one of the rules is to be RP in around chat, but out of that no restriction tells/chats so ..

#36 Report | Quote[en] 

Maxxye (atys)
Or maybe some just made the choice to fully play the game with story atys is made of. Doesn't mean you can speak with others as you want and when you want.

I wanted to play Mara, i play it with the mara story behind me and the "rules" guild is made of , one of the rules is to be RP in around chat, but out of that no restriction tells/chats so ..
its a respectable RP, so if anyone were to tell you it's wrong and should start messing that gameplay i'd be just as mad

#37 Report | Quote[fr] 

Astarth (atys)
maxxye to your questions: yes it has been that the issue. the whole kami/karavan alliances were formed on an RP notion that came from aniro, we were even told off for ressing karavans or training with them, it has been that roleplay which gets marauders insulted for no reason other than "its roleplay".

Because it's supposed to be your ennemy, lets take easy example even if it should not.. if there is war IRL, would you help your ennemy to stay alive, would you help him to stuff for after behing "killed " by that same guy ? ( RL and IG should not be taken as examples, but maybe it's more clear like that and maybe understand that we take RP as a big part of ryzom)
Astarth (atys)
and lets see what should happen if we were to actually follow lore to the letter: first almost every country should hate and wage wars against the matis, as most have more reasons to hate them than marauders, so i take it we should put antimatis guards in FH to avoid them from kidnapping kids for slavery, probably trkers shoudl also get guards to stop zoraîs from entering their cities, and ofc fyros shouldnt be allowed to go into primeroots as they're likely to start anther fire of coriolis.

Yeah well you going far too ..
Astarth (atys)
i hope that for us going trytonist you dont plan to put guards all over atys to stop us

Well if you all stay together in a kami guild ( so kami/mara/tryto) it is obious that it's going to speak about that..

#38 Report | Quote[en] 

Maxxye (atys)
Well if you all stay together in a kami guild ( so kami/mara/tryto) it is obious that it's going to speak about that..

Elias Tryton had no alliances - except to homins - so all homins could be in a guild
Elias Tryton had a magic key for all transporters - we will wait for this - until then we use our magic key for kami ones - and mara ones - and ranger ones
The Trykers have Trytonists hidden in their midst - they will never bend-the-knee to Matis - or the Real Karavan so no problem there either

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#39 Report | Quote[fr] 

Binarabi (atys)
Maxxye (atys)
Well if you all stay together in a kami guild ( so kami/mara/tryto) it is obious that it's going to speak about that..

Elias Tryton had no alliances - except to homins - so all homins could be in a guild
Elias Tryton had a magic key for all transporters - we will wait for this - until then we use our magic key for kami ones - and mara ones - and ranger ones
The Trykers have Trytonists hidden in their midst - they will never bend-the-knee to Matis - or the Real Karavan so no problem there either

Elias Tryton did some copies of the key and gave them to homins ? Don't think so.
Elias Tryton is a traitor, against higher power.

Btw, you have a overflowing mind or is it written somewhere ?

#40 Report | Quote[en] 

Not where you can see it sweetie :)

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Binarabi
This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#41 Report | Quote[en] 

As i thought in your dreams

#42 Report | Quote[en] 

Elvanae (atys)
(...)
Well, regarding your last point, I mean, would you even think to go so far as to say that as part of the Kami or Karavan you should not be able to enter particular cities? Indeed, the RP hatred between Matis and Fyros is undeniably strong, why should I as a Mati be allowed to freely roam the Desert lands and enter their cities? Well, I believe that it is the FTA which allows this free movement and the issue we have now is that the Marauders are not directly cited as a nation because some don't consider them to be a nation but instead an organisation of members from different nations. So why can't RPers and all game players take it upon themselves to rectify this directly on the FTA for example.

That's not really the point I wanted to make. Anyway, the rift thing with kara/kami on Aniro is mostly historically inaccurate. This has been mostly pushed by new FR players to the game (I play since the beginning and this bullying thing is quite new : 2-3 years top). Also, you do not have to be bullied into doing sth. If someone says it's not RP or whatever, just answer back in RP and say you are moderate. Not talking to the other faction is extremist. There's a range the k/k stuff (from the most moderate to the most extremist). Nobody can argue anything on a RP basis if you just answer on the same.

What I was thinking about is more about ingerance. E.g. my character is a Tryker Citizen, he's no ambassador and not really active in politics. I would not even dream to start inferring with other nations if there is no direct link between the context around my character and what is happening. You won't see Maximus barging in some assembly in some forsaken place just because it is an event... But then again, I am limiting myself, why should anyone expect the same from anybody.

Regarding Marauders, it has been explained since the beginning, these are rogue bandits, not friends or lovers or anything. They pissed on everyone/everything to live their lifestyle. And if they do not want to be like that, then just do not be a maraudeur. There are enough nice other options to take if you want to be friend with everybody (let's say Rangers for instance ?) or even create a neutral knightly movement or whatever.

#43 Report | Quote[en] 

well maximus yes thats how mara was played and portraid on your server maybe on our server EVENT TEAM as Akilla cinder Ash Storm herself was telling us a way more moderate point of view. Maybe they addapted to the ppl on aristople that went mara who knows. But mara where not portraied as being against all. Last orders we got 1 year before server merge (when I heard half ari event team was fired without knowing why) was that we should go out in public and talk to other homins in civ/factions about how they are lied about and free them from their chackless and bring them to our camp to be shown what freedom means. (after that meeting we never saw akilla, event team or anything mara related again).

To us the event team played out that we the player mara where converts and 'unbrainwashed' (my words not event team) that had to make the camps ready and find safe lands to build the free mara city in. And we where told over and over by mara event team civs din't want us in their land and hated mara for coming back. Being seen as savages and civ govs feeling we would over run their city's with the millions of homins still trapped down there => you know not enough food for all in new lands and such.

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.

#44 Report | Quote[en] 

Binarabi (atys)

Elias Tryton had no alliances - except to homins - so all homins could be in a guild
Elias Tryton had a magic key for all transporters - we will wait for this - until then we use our magic key for kami ones - and mara ones - and ranger ones
The Trykers have Trytonists hidden in their midst - they will never bend-the-knee to Matis - or the Real Karavan so no problem there either

Ummm... Bina? As far as we can tell from ancient records, Elias Tryton was a Karavan. (Some Trykers believe even that he was married to Jena.) He is hated by the Karavan because he advocated that homins should share in their knowledge, and for that he was declared apostate. The Kami hate him because he is Karavan.

He is known to have been responsible for the creation of the Rainbow Gates that allowed many homins to flee the Great Swarming of the 2480's. His guild was responsible for the Rainbow Gates that allowed many homins to flee to the Refuge during the Second Swarming. (There are reports from some homins that he was even seen during the Exodus, protecting the homins and activating the gates.)(*)

There are no magic keys to Ranger teleporters, since the Rangers do not have teleporters. Transport from the camps in Silan and Almati Woods is via Karavan and Kami transporters. (Senior Rangers also know of paths from the New Lands to Almati and from there to the Old Lands as well.)(**)

Maximus, there seems to be some difference between the Marauders that were originally organized by Melkiar and the recent recruits to the Marauder cause who were recruited (at least as I remember it) by Akillia, Melkiar's daughter. I remember clearly that at the end, when we were fleeing to the Refuge that Akillia called upon her Marauders to face the kitins and to protect the stragglers of the fleeing homins.

So there is room in role-play for the concept of "Noble Marauder", and there is much confusion about Elias Tryton.

(*) Taken from ancient amber cubes.
(**)Taken from information given at assemblies of Ranger aspirants.

Last edited by Bitttymacod (5 years ago)

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#45 Report | Quote[en] 

omg yes bittty totally forgot about that how could I.

Don't know on other servers but on ari mara actually gave their lives to protect the homins from kittin  so they could flee to the teleporters. Not much of us where in end able to make it and ride the teleport there was me, fitis, rahael, toak, ... some others. The rest died trying to  hold the kittin back. So lore wise us mara who made it can be seen as wimps I guess but our brothers did give their live getting you to survive the swarm. Being a wimp shouldn't make us a villian, in end you didn't stay behind to give your live either.

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Adaptation from "I have a dream" by "Martin Luther King"
I have a dream that one day this world will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all homin are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the hills of Fairhaven the sons of former homins left behind and the sons of former homins that were lucky enough to be rescued will be able to sit down together at a campfire of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the Matis, a state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and sweltering with the heat of oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my 64 little guildies will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin or the religion they follow but by the content of their character. I have a dream today.
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