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#16 [en] 

i fear they might be trying to use the goo, as well as the white kitin (kotd), perhaps they're trying to use the goo to control the kitin, or foolishly think they can make them stronger, while trying to press them into other lands... closed borders does not encourage growth, development, and free trade, not does it allow all peoples to come together in a single common goal, which should be the aim of any enlightened and civilized group of people, and with the people of the forest allowing the marauders to remain in their lands doesn't inspire many either.... there for it would be wise to keep all this in mind....

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#17 [fr] 

Hello to all,

that the Ranger work one their one soulution that is rigth and the ranger have not regards the misgivnigs at the Matis, Zorai and some Homins from the anther Nation is rigth too.

But does the Zorai worked on her one soulution is a little bit difficult to say.  The first point is the Idear to search a another soulution come from tribes howw have goood ralations at the Zorais.

The second point it was group from Homins from all nations, which begann to search at the  knowlegde over Almati and his work.  . (Ooc:  The most are german players)

And i as born Matis, who is  fear  for the forest and his country of birth,  have try  arrange the work
But unhappy conditions had lead to  invadequate information to the Homins and the asembly in Matia.

And our work will be block, by the rangers too.   The Ranger say the work from Alamati is to dangerous for the homins, but not why and that is arrogant.

If we are successful,  it will bring a lot of honor over the Matis , the Kingdom and his history.

So I will invite every Homin from the forest to work wth us.

[OOC] Can Somone  do a Translation to French [/OOC]

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#18 [en] 

Again, all the solutions the zoarï have been working on weren't closed for the rest of the civilizations, it was up to you to decide your level of involvement.

i agree the rangers have been obscure as to why they wont provide with a reason for not giving the knowledge of Almati, but that's not in any case a reasonable explanation as to why you'd shut the possibility for kamis and other nations to help you.

Now your responses are full of the same arrogance and reluctance for help you bestow upon the rangers, and as talkirck stated i might even fear you are attempting to use goo for your endeavours (i hope thats not the path you want to undertake).

Furthermore as awakened i'm interested in any solution that might stop the kitin threat, and if i find the idea to be plausible and within the care of atys we zoraïs keep i can pledge myself to do my best to get help from the zoraï goverment to help you. And you can get to keep all the credit and glory you want for it.

Remember Atys comes first.

Astarth

#19 [fr] 

While I am not longer part of the Chamber of Nobles I'd like to point out that the efforts to find a different solution from the one offered by the Rangers were conducted by us in close contact with the Zoraian Circles and both, the Awakened Fey-Lin and Ambassador Zhoi. To accuse the Theocracy of working on a solution involving the use of Goo seems at least eccentric, if not opprobrious (especially if implied by an Awakened), but since the Karan gave his blessing to the Ranger's experiments in one of the most sensible regions of the Kingdom and therefore seems to prefer it to the one which - in my humble opinion - would be more close to the hearts of his people, it most likely are the Zorai alone following the trail of an alternative botanic solution to the theoretical one the Rangers are attempting. I, as a member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis, very much regret that, as the ill-willed might interpret the Matis' decision and retreat as a betrayal of our mutual efforts and a blow on our diplomatic connections and a loss regarding the possibility to decipher riddles of our past and fill in white spots in our history.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
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First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

#20 [fr] 

[OOC] Topic moved in Offizielle Events and event added to the calendar. [/OOC]

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#21 [en] 

Salazar i think you missunderstood me, what i meant is that since the Matis chamber of nobles is attempting to find a solution in total secrecy and isolation my fears are that they might attempt to use goo to close the kitin tunnels and erradicate them.

I know for a fact that no respectable zoraï would ever use goo in any way for any purpose, it would also be foolish to try to save atys using goo.

#22 [fr] 

With the details of the Karan's agreement unknown to the Chamber of Nobles, and indeed to all Matis, and with - to my knowledge - most of them learning about its existence only at the latest assembly in Yrkanis, I understand quite well the need to discuss things with the Royal subjects before allowing a wider audience, which - no doubt - will be very welcome at a later date.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

#23 [fr] 

Seternulon (atys)
And our work will be block, by the rangers too.   The Ranger say the work from Alamati is to dangerous for the homins, but not why and that is arrogant.

Seternulon,

What you are telling is simply wrong. The Rangers, and with them I mean Officer Wilk Potskin, never said that the work of Gilado Almati ist dangerous. Rather, Wilk told that the Rangers did not find any records or tools from Almati's work, only the remains of his hidden laboratory in the Prime Roots, where now the Kitins have their lair.

And I fail to see that commander Orphie will tell otherwise. You all should stop that blame game. I recall some hints from the jungle indicating that Ser Almati may have survived the swarming, and not in his former lab. Thus traces of his work may be found somewhere else if at all.

But indeed, there were homins who considered Ser Almati's research dangerous during his lifetime. There were rumours about unexplained fatalities. Without wanting to blame the absent and most probably long deceased scientist without proof, this indicates that his experiments weren't without risk.

Interesting as it sounds, accelerating plant growth to an extent as it was reported to be performed by him would require to deal with incredible amounts of energy, with powers able to cause destruction beyond our imagination. It is said that Ser Almati was able to let a large tree grow from seed to an adult form within an hour or a few hours.

I did some calculations, under conservative assumptions, about the energy necessary and being released during such acceleration, and confess to have been shocked (mathematics can reach where our mind and imagination refuse to go to). I may present these results some time if somebody is interested, but in fact, the only thing I could compare the powers dealt with during such work would be those of the fire of Coriolis in 2435.

[OOC] indeed, the energy per volume necessary to create a cubic meter of wood in one hour is - during that hour - about 2 orders of magnitude higher than that one in the pressure chamber of a 3000MW th nuclear 2G pressurized water reactor of the Siemens convoy type in full operation. But I know, termites are so dangerous .. pff [/OOC]

And that is but one concern. There is so much speculation that some insects the Fyros are living with since centuries may get ouf of control. Yet what if the unleashed plant growth slips out of the hands of homins whose genius is possibly not equal to that of the great Almati? What if uncontrolled growth turns into cancerous degeneration befalling our living planet? Are you serious to deny that there are dangers?

I do not say we should not research, though, on contrary. But sometimes I feel as the only one bothering to think and to calculate where others keep speculating over phantasized dangers while ignoring real ones.

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#24 [en] 

Daomei,
it wasn't Wiki Wilk Potskin told us this. As we had the last unofficial Meeting in the Almati Wood, we had meet a Ranger who was saying this.

#25 [en] 

i tend to agree with daomei on the subjet of accelerated tree growth, but yet the point remains as a failure from the matis assembly to open diplomatic channels in the propper manner, thus creating a certain ambient of tension between nations and even worse under the current set of events, a tension between factions and organizations such as the rangers.

i think most of us will agree than merit and glory are but useless jewels for such a risk to atys, and if you as Matis subjects want to keep that "glory and fame" for yourselves and jena, then so be it: We dont want Glory or recognition, we want to save Atys!

hoping some sense can be reached within your nobles

Astarth Li'lai Ho

#26 [fr] 

Fortunately, being not a diplomat anymore gives me the opportunity to pass over any effort to be diplomatic. In that position I'm pretty free to say that you, Awakened Astarth, are certainly an authority in diplomatic failure, as - with all respect - your polemics are not suited to create an open dialogue and proper diplomatic contacts.

Having said that, I'm always excited about the fact that Daomei, on her way to become a Ranger, excells all scientists on Atys with her endless knowledge about everything, which certainly would be a great help in New Trykoth, where they try to build a boat. Probably they could do so even without the Tepsen plans they try to recreate by just asking her for her assistance. In the meantime, I - as a historian only with little knowledge about those things - marvel at the great doings of Almati, or about the powerful amber solenoids the Zorai once were able to create which not only gave light and warmth but also had the enormous library of Tai-Toon floating over the city - another scientific wonder lost on us, now reduced to small villages and capitals with their petty buildings which cannot stand comparison to the metropols and huge structures we once lived in.

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Salazar Caradini
Filira Matia
Royal Historian
Member of the Royal Academy of Yrkanis
First Seraph of the Order of the Argo Navis

#27 [en] 

such a good diplomat salazar, the solution is right in front of your eyes, and so easy to bypass the conflict, if i were to suggest an idea to your so humble efforts, id suggest you invite at least a representative from each nation, yet this idea has eluded your good historic perspective.

a good way to open dialogue should start by propperly explaining why your investigation attempts are only limited to karavan peoples when this is clearly an atys problem, if your explanation were good enough, wich hasnt been given and at the moment just appear as an arbitrary decision, I would stop complaining.

Want to open dialogue, then at least have the courtesy of showing reason, at least daomei and the Rangers have been open in most aspects concerning the thermite solution (furthermore you were invited to an unnoficial meeting)

Astarth Li'lai Ho

#28 [en] 

Like always before, the Matis will fail. The Karavan will fail. They will fail, because the already failed. Failed to see that there is strenght in numers. I'm not talking about the Muscle Strenght, well we do have that too, but the brain power. The Strenght of the mind of many Homins who are concerned. All the Karavan can really boast about is... hold on. I can't think of a single achievement that they did on their own! The Matis on the other hand, well, they did eradicate the species they evolved from, they did genetically altered some plants that now attack anyone, and that was a bust too. So, there isn't much hope for them if they choose to shut others out.

My dear friend, Astarth. You can not show the light of reason to those who shut the world out. They are a lost cause. They will most certainly fail. Instead let us unite the rest of the homins and work out a solution together. If they want to join us after they failed, they are welcomed. Ma-Duk will welcome them as well. They are so focused on getting recognized and getting credit for some deeds, that i'm afraid the only recognition they will get is for the failure. I just hope they not gonna make things worst becausse of their blind pursuit of fame and recognition.

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#29 [en] 

Geez! Why are Matis always thought synically from all when nothing more than 'Study' is suggested? I didn't see anything diabolical suggested, but here we have a thread that evolved into a political mess and accusations. If certain factions have private discussions, nothing is found fault with, why not let the different Civ's have private discussions too? Nefarious actions are not fact until commited. And, if were committed, would you complain? It might add some zest to life on Atys XD! (Big elbow to your shoulders and a giggle! )

#30 [en] 

Dear naema: the point where those private discussions and investigations couldve been acceptable has been breached the moment we all demanded tranparency from the Rangers, since we all demanded such clarity they acted upon it, then its only ethical we as nations act in a similar way.

Second I think i provided with a reasonable solution, which doesnt mean you have to Invite ALL kamis and rangers to the event but rather to extend an invitation to some representatives of other nations and factions (i'd even consider inviting a marauder representative, but i know that's a bit harder to accept).

Third its not about about accusations, but secrecy involving a matter that affects all life in atys and the bark itself is at least questionable.
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