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#28 Added by Astarth 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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This has gone out of hand, as many know i do play RP, but not always, and that's a respectable position, but being forced into a binary situation goes against the "sandbox" idea that makes ryzom so great.

i know some of you have the time and energy to be 100% in character, but some of us dont . Since merger we were asked to make an effort to fit into your way of playing, and so far havebnt seen that same effort from you. i feel what's happening is creating a huge gap between players, and that gap is becoming so violent that is affecting the way many players go about in the game, and will eventually push people off the game.

I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end, as the game wont survive on 50 players paying 12 euros a month, so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope

#29 Added by Icus 9 years ago Report | Quote [fr]

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Astarth (atys)

I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end, as the game wont survive on 50 players paying 12 euros a month, so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope

At around 100€ per month for the server location, 15 player at 8€/month (much closer to reality than 12€/month) is enough, so with 50 we can rent a server + buy a lot of cool beer !

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#30 Added by Astarth 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Icus (atys)

Astarth (atys)
I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end, as the game wont survive on 50 players paying 12 euros a month, so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope
At around 100€ per month for the server location, 15 player at 8€/month (much closer to reality than 12€/month) is enough, so with 50 we can rent a server + buy a lot of cool beer !

if its so cheap, why not have 2 servers? another good suggestion that would appease everyone

#31 Added by Maxxye 9 years ago Report | Quote [fr]

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Astarth (atys)

Since merger we were asked to make an effort to fit into your way of playing, and so far havebnt seen that same effort from you..

So by "we" you mean Aris'/Leanon and "you" Aniro right ? People tried to make efforts but seeing that nothing can be done just stopped to try and left, you liked see "french" player quit the game because it was impossible to make things match ?

Astarth (atys)

I know some of the heavy RPers would love to see some of us go away, but it only hurts you in the end ...

That's only what you say/think.. but still a strange thought you have there.

Astarth (atys)

so accomodating to us is also a good move... be mature about your roleplay amd think it over with a bit more scope

So now you say/try to make US ( guess french players again) change and play "your" ( now again Aris'/leanon) game style ?

#32 Added by Peatpom 9 years ago Report | Quote [fr]

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je ne suis pas certaine que ton intervention Icus fasse avancer la conversation,

mais bon c'est ton RP alors je respecte...

...hi hi hi

#33 Added by Binarabi 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Maxxye (atys)

So now you say/try to make US ( guess french players again) change and play "your" ( now again Aris'/leanon) game style ?

No - just saying making life so hard for homins who choose certain alliances / races instead of others is a silly role play, no point in being punitive in a game - unless you want to get rid of an alliance/ homins altogether (yes, I know Icus will give 3 cheers - but I assume he is just a one-off)

There is role play and then there is obsession

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This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#34 Added by Astarth 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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maxxye to your questions: yes it has been that the issue. the whole kami/karavan alliances were formed on an RP notion that came from aniro, we were even told off for ressing karavans or training with them, it has been that roleplay which gets marauders insulted for no reason other than "its roleplay".

and lets see what should happen if we were to actually follow lore to the letter: first almost every country should hate and wage wars against the matis, as most have more reasons to hate them than marauders, so i take it we should put antimatis guards in FH to avoid them from kidnapping kids for slavery, probably trkers shoudl also get guards to stop zoraîs from entering their cities, and ofc fyros shouldnt be allowed to go into primeroots as they're likely to start anther fire of coriolis.

i hope that for us going trytonist you dont plan to put guards all over atys to stop us

#35 Added by Maxxye 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Or maybe some just made the choice to fully play the game with story atys is made of. Doesn't mean you can speak with others as you want and when you want.

I wanted to play Mara, i play it with the mara story behind me and the "rules" guild is made of , one of the rules is to be RP in around chat, but out of that no restriction tells/chats so ..

#36 Added by Astarth 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Maxxye (atys)

Or maybe some just made the choice to fully play the game with story atys is made of. Doesn't mean you can speak with others as you want and when you want.

I wanted to play Mara, i play it with the mara story behind me and the "rules" guild is made of , one of the rules is to be RP in around chat, but out of that no restriction tells/chats so ..

its a respectable RP, so if anyone were to tell you it's wrong and should start messing that gameplay i'd be just as mad

#37 Added by Maxxye 9 years ago Report | Quote [fr]

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Astarth (atys)

maxxye to your questions: yes it has been that the issue. the whole kami/karavan alliances were formed on an RP notion that came from aniro, we were even told off for ressing karavans or training with them, it has been that roleplay which gets marauders insulted for no reason other than "its roleplay".

Because it's supposed to be your ennemy, lets take easy example even if it should not.. if there is war IRL, would you help your ennemy to stay alive, would you help him to stuff for after behing "killed " by that same guy ? ( RL and IG should not be taken as examples, but maybe it's more clear like that and maybe understand that we take RP as a big part of ryzom)

Astarth (atys)

and lets see what should happen if we were to actually follow lore to the letter: first almost every country should hate and wage wars against the matis, as most have more reasons to hate them than marauders, so i take it we should put antimatis guards in FH to avoid them from kidnapping kids for slavery, probably trkers shoudl also get guards to stop zoraîs from entering their cities, and ofc fyros shouldnt be allowed to go into primeroots as they're likely to start anther fire of coriolis.

Yeah well you going far too ..

Astarth (atys)

i hope that for us going trytonist you dont plan to put guards all over atys to stop us

Well if you all stay together in a kami guild ( so kami/mara/tryto) it is obious that it's going to speak about that..

#38 Added by Binarabi 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Maxxye (atys)

Well if you all stay together in a kami guild ( so kami/mara/tryto) it is obious that it's going to speak about that..

Elias Tryton had no alliances - except to homins - so all homins could be in a guild
Elias Tryton had a magic key for all transporters - we will wait for this - until then we use our magic key for kami ones - and mara ones - and ranger ones
The Trykers have Trytonists hidden in their midst - they will never bend-the-knee to Matis - or the Real Karavan so no problem there either

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#39 Added by Maxxye 9 years ago Report | Quote [fr]

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Binarabi (atys)

Maxxye (atys)
Well if you all stay together in a kami guild ( so kami/mara/tryto) it is obious that it's going to speak about that..

Elias Tryton had no alliances - except to homins - so all homins could be in a guild
Elias Tryton had a magic key for all transporters - we will wait for this - until then we use our magic key for kami ones - and mara ones - and ranger ones
The Trykers have Trytonists hidden in their midst - they will never bend-the-knee to Matis - or the Real Karavan so no problem there either

Elias Tryton did some copies of the key and gave them to homins ? Don't think so.
Elias Tryton is a traitor, against higher power.

Btw, you have a overflowing mind or is it written somewhere ?

#40 Added by Binarabi 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Not where you can see it sweetie :)

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#41 Added by Maxxye 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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As i thought in your dreams

#42 Added by Maximus 9 years ago Report | Quote [en]

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Elvanae (atys)

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Well, regarding your last point, I mean, would you even think to go so far as to say that as part of the Kami or Karavan you should not be able to enter particular cities? Indeed, the RP hatred between Matis and Fyros is undeniably strong, why should I as a Mati be allowed to freely roam the Desert lands and enter their cities? Well, I believe that it is the FTA which allows this free movement and the issue we have now is that the Marauders are not directly cited as a nation because some don't consider them to be a nation but instead an organisation of members from different nations. So why can't RPers and all game players take it upon themselves to rectify this directly on the FTA for example.

That's not really the point I wanted to make. Anyway, the rift thing with kara/kami on Aniro is mostly historically inaccurate. This has been mostly pushed by new FR players to the game (I play since the beginning and this bullying thing is quite new : 2-3 years top). Also, you do not have to be bullied into doing sth. If someone says it's not RP or whatever, just answer back in RP and say you are moderate. Not talking to the other faction is extremist. There's a range the k/k stuff (from the most moderate to the most extremist). Nobody can argue anything on a RP basis if you just answer on the same.

What I was thinking about is more about ingerance. E.g. my character is a Tryker Citizen, he's no ambassador and not really active in politics. I would not even dream to start inferring with other nations if there is no direct link between the context around my character and what is happening. You won't see Maximus barging in some assembly in some forsaken place just because it is an event... But then again, I am limiting myself, why should anyone expect the same from anybody.

Regarding Marauders, it has been explained since the beginning, these are rogue bandits, not friends or lovers or anything. They pissed on everyone/everything to live their lifestyle. And if they do not want to be like that, then just do not be a maraudeur. There are enough nice other options to take if you want to be friend with everybody (let's say Rangers for instance ?) or even create a neutral knightly movement or whatever.

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