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Should we change to faction based PVP?
Yes, change the deathmatch PVP to faction PVP!
Atys: Cotare, Heernis, Jellona, Kaetemi, Kaylerys, Lacuna, Luminatrix, Mermaidia, Revvy, Sinvaders, Sowen, Tomstato, Vorazun		 13
48.1%
No, it makes no sense.
Atys: Aleeskandaro, Bazett, Eolinius, Jorgensen, Kurutani, Placio, Wirroy, Yper, Zendae		 9
33.3%
No, we are too few, there will be no PVP anymore!
Atys: Yuritau		 1 (1)
3.7%
Other thoughts (Please write it down)
Atys: Gidget, Maiyr, Victoriacamper		 3 (1)
11.1%
Other
Atys: Vanixia		 1
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#51 Added by Heernis 5 years ago [en] 

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Revvy
Victoriacamper
Dappers seem legit.

You can loot everything else you kill, why not take some of the wealth from your victims?

Possibly too abstract for some but we will see.

This is a good idea yes legit, but it implies we will all be thief.

Which may not be good for everyone.

I guess to prevent implying that all PVP-Chars there are "thiefs", there should be also a "loot-window" where you can accept to loot or not. Then it is the choice of the player, if he wanna be a bad guy or a good guy.

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#52 Added by Placio 5 years ago [en] 

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Namcha
It's rare "mortal enemies" teams up, except on OP, which are currently out of pvp scoring.

The idea is more to put consequences on little acts like teaming with enemies on daily things (exchange, hunting

Ok, that’s a bit off topic then... And I think many people would oppose it if proposed as its own idea. Community is a big part of what keeps the game (barely) alive, not faction related mechanics. So if we start getting docked fame for rezzing a friend that asked in region, etc, I don’t think that would work well. We also don’t always know the fame or faction of the player we are helping.

Okay, totally forgot- if it’s rare for mortal enemies to team up, then there is no need for any of these changes, right!?!?

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#53 Added by Namcha 5 years ago [en] 

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It's off-topic, true :)
I was brought there when I said reactivating old pvp tags should be cosmetic only.

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#54 Added by Revvy 5 years ago [en] 

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Placio
Okay, totally forgot- if it’s rare for mortal enemies to team up, then there is no need for any of these changes, right!?!?

Certainly not rare :)

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#55 Added by Neira 5 years ago [en] 

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Losing fame for attacking your own positively fame-aligned players is logical and acceptable.

Looting money or items off other players is one massive invitation to griefing and will on the mid-term run have PvP nearly cease to exist besides between those few who'll ooc-wise work together anyways (but they'll get bored soon enough too).

Having the staff intervene and adjust peoples fame is a right-out bad idea.

If I have to explain on the above said for anyone to understand, then there's an even deeper rooted problem around here than the above statements alone indicate.

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#56 Added by Heernis 5 years ago [en] 

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Namcha
The idea is more to put consequences on little acts like teaming with enemies on daily things (exchange, hunting...)

Not something that will drop fame to the abyss. But losing max fame could be already a serious matter. (could be easily retrieved with missions, but, if every days....)

I guess there are 2 ways:

Consequences or Restriction. But both do the same: Factions will work more together and alliances wont work as it is. If we wanna this type of gameplay, here we go ;-)

So lets go deeper in practically manner:

Actual there are two layers: Factional PVP and PVE. (Other PVP like duels or OP-Fight wont have any effect.

Loosing or gaining Fame by every kill is not a big deal and wont encourage players to be more tagged than it is.

There should be a motivator for being PVP tagged. Thats what we are talking about in this actual system. PVP just for fun can be also done in duels or in the matis arena i.e.

So earning something except PVP-Points should be implemented that is worthy for everyday habits. Dappers is a good thing to steal/earn (depends on your RP).

Another idea is: To steal dappers, you need to make the enemy weak lets say about 10%-25% of you HP must stay. Then you have to stun or sleep the char. ONLY then you can loot dappers, factions-points etc. or something else, what makes it difficult to loot, but still possible.

There should be also a BIG WARNING, that it can be stolen some Dappers from you if you activate the tag.

When it comes to PVE (hunting, leveling) , there could be also a fame mechanic to gain loose fame. (addition to be clear: that happens only if you are tagged)

Lets say a Mara and a Karavan are hunting. Mara will loose his own fame, but gain Fame for Karavan and the Karavan will loose his Karavan fame and gain Mara fame. But it should be still low by every kill. Lets say 0,06 by every kill. That should only work if both chars are aligned (my opinion).

Another Situation: Ranger and Mara are hunting. Ranger loose 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan, but gain 0,06 in Mara fame. Mara loose 0,06 fame on Mara, but gain 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan.

Neutrals with no alignment should be an exception. Or a fame restriction: You cant loose any fame if you are between -50/+50 Fame.

I think that is acceptable.

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#57 Added by Neira 5 years ago [en] 

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Heernis
When it comes to PVE (hunting, leveling) , there could be also a fame mechanic to gain loose fame.

Lets say a Mara and a Karavan are hunting. Mara will loose his own fame, but gain Fame for Karavan and the Karavan will loose his Karavan fame and gain Mara fame. But it should be still low by every kill. Lets say 0,06 by every kill. That should only work if both chars are aligned (my opinion).

Another Situation: Ranger and Mara are hunting. Ranger loose 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan, but gain 0,06 in Mara fame. Mara loose 0,06 fame on Mara, but gain 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan.

Neutrals with no alignment should be an exception.

I think that is acceptable.

Sure. Impose frequent refaming upon players for engaging in PvE-content with players of different fame.
To avoid refaming, players per this idea should only team up with their own faction.

You possibly can't not see how this is incredibly detrimental in building a community especially given the games low playercount.

Shared PvE-actions should never have an impact on PvP-related affiliations, as that'd be by definition bad game-design.

#58 Added by Revvy 5 years ago [en] 

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Neira
Heernis
When it comes to PVE (hunting, leveling) , there could be also a fame mechanic to gain loose fame.

Lets say a Mara and a Karavan are hunting. Mara will loose his own fame, but gain Fame for Karavan and the Karavan will loose his Karavan fame and gain Mara fame. But it should be still low by every kill. Lets say 0,06 by every kill. That should only work if both chars are aligned (my opinion).

Another Situation: Ranger and Mara are hunting. Ranger loose 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan, but gain 0,06 in Mara fame. Mara loose 0,06 fame on Mara, but gain 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan.

Neutrals with no alignment should be an exception.

I think that is acceptable.

Sure. Impose frequent refaming upon players for engaging in PvE-content with players of different fame.
To avoid refaming, players per this idea should only team up with their own faction.

You possibly can't not see how this is incredibly detrimental in building a community especially given the games low playercount.

Shared PvE-actions should never have an impact on PvP-related affiliations, as that'd be by definition bad game-design.

Here again, i think he's talking about players that has the PvP tag activated and are doing PvE content (still tagged ready for PvP).

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#59 Added by Neira 5 years ago [en] 

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Revvy
Here again, i think he's talking about players that has the PvP tag activated and are doing PvE content (still tagged ready for PvP).

He sure is, hence my last sentence in the above post.

#60 Added by Revvy 5 years ago [en] 

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As a permanent PvP tagged player, i wouldn't intend to heal my enemies for example, leveling or not, so PvE content or not.

It do not bother me really if i would lose a bit of fame or something when i do it.
It is legit, some of my own kind could see me, judge or/and even think about treachery etc..

To me every actions should have consequency.
This is ofc my opinion, since my way to play is related to pure faction play.

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#61 Added by Heernis 5 years ago [en] 

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Revvy
Neira
Heernis
When it comes to PVE (hunting, leveling) , there could be also a fame mechanic to gain loose fame.

Lets say a Mara and a Karavan are hunting. Mara will loose his own fame, but gain Fame for Karavan and the Karavan will loose his Karavan fame and gain Mara fame. But it should be still low by every kill. Lets say 0,06 by every kill. That should only work if both chars are aligned (my opinion).

Another Situation: Ranger and Mara are hunting. Ranger loose 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan, but gain 0,06 in Mara fame. Mara loose 0,06 fame on Mara, but gain 0,01 on Fyros, Matis, Tryker, Zorai, Kami and Karavan.

Neutrals with no alignment should be an exception.

I think that is acceptable.

Sure. Impose frequent refaming upon players for engaging in PvE-content with players of different fame.
To avoid refaming, players per this idea should only team up with their own faction.

You possibly can't not see how this is incredibly detrimental in building a community especially given the games low playercount.

Shared PvE-actions should never have an impact on PvP-related affiliations, as that'd be by definition bad game-design.

Here again, i think he's talking about players that has the PvP tag activated and are doing PvE content (still tagged ready for PvP).

True. I am allways talking about beeing in "PVP-Tagged"-Mode. Maybe i wasnt clear enough.

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#62 Added by Gidget 5 years ago [en] 

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Given the demographics of this server, I have little choice but to cross faction lines with regualrity; since I am neither Kami nor Marauder, it's hard for me to find people in my faction or my guild's faction to train or hunt with. My fear is that some of these proposals would lead to a decrease in the already small number of people who tag up for PvP, especially among the greatly-outnumbered Karavan. (Rangers are unlikely to tag regardless.)

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#63 Added by Moniq 5 years ago [en] 

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Revvy
Victoriacamper
Dappers seem legit.

You can loot everything else you kill, why not take some of the wealth from your victims?

Possibly too abstract for some but we will see.

This is a good idea yes legit, but it implies we will all be thief.

Which may not be good for everyone.

And killing homins implies we are all murderers :D ... so maybe do not do such things if you do not like? :)

#64 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en] 

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Do rangers kill only mobs (i.e no tribes and so on) on daily basis ?

#65 Added by Revvy 5 years ago [en] 

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Moniq
Revvy
Victoriacamper
Dappers seem legit.

You can loot everything else you kill, why not take some of the wealth from your victims?

Possibly too abstract for some but we will see.

This is a good idea yes legit, but it implies we will all be thief.

Which may not be good for everyone.

And killing homins implies we are all murderers :D ... so maybe do not do such things if you do not like? :)

If i protect my son or even myself in the darkness of the Pyr street, when bandits and poor people are pushed to take weapons, the greed and the hungryness..
In the dirty soaked blood sand of the emperor city.
I don't think Revvy would like to earn dappers for this, it just make no sense.

Nor like i think it is by pleasure some Homins take weapons against each others.
One cannot want to be a Thief by taking weapons for reason.

This peace and love mentality doesn't apply for all on Atys, depending where you did grow Moniq.
But maybe.. it is just the Ranger mentality.. thinking of themselv to be more elitist than a high-graded Matis.

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