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#16 [en] 

I made a seperate entry because this is a seperate thought.

If Lacuna or anyone gets their money that they ask for and someone else sells it after paying Lacuan/someone else I don't see the problem.

I think that is what capitalism and free enterprise is about. Buy and resell.

Now if they are saying that they are Lacuna when they are selling I can see the problem. But if they are reselling under their own name. I don't see the problem.

Nehrie

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#17 [en] 

The following line copied from Lost Girls Guild Registry post:
 
If you have the mats, we craft the following for free for any homine or marauder*:

hardy har har har totally untrue

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#18 [en] 

nehrie, did you ever check the resale tab in forest? if you did, you would have had access to lacuna's crafts, they were PUBLIC, i've bought many items from her via forest merchants. (forest is the only market for mara's, the negative fame prevents them from interacting with any merchants in other lands {hawkers too})

thus the entire server had access to her products. all other discussion is a mute point.

i am trying hard to show you the friendly side of ryzom, but it feels like you only want to see a darker side.

most old players do much for many, but we also want to play ourselves, so we don't drop everything at a moments notice. you mentioned that she connected you to another crafter, maybe because the item you wanted she doesn't have a craft master for, on that i don't know, because i wasn't privy to the conversation or the requests.

for the better of a friendly community i'm asking you nicely, please stop putting fuel on the fire. we can all get along and be friendly, please.

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Remickla (atys)
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#19 [en] 

What difference does it make if someone resells her craft? She has got the price she wanted.

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#20 [en] 

First -- the use of the bug to sell for more than 9999% markup has been punished before. It's an exploit and it is targeting inexperienced players to remove more of their hard earned dappers than is ethical.. 
Second -- I'm sure for myself, and I'm pretty sure for Lacuna, that when we craft we want the items to be USED, not be turned into a source of dappers (or worse, put up for sale at a ridiculous price and then get taken off the shelves).

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(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
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#21 [en] 

ok, here's the thing that's at the root of why lac's upset.

she crafts a nice item, sells it for say 5000% (just a number)
the limit is 9999% (without exploit)
this person is reselling her stuff with exploited price of 20000%

if your a new player with no idea about stats, that new player might think because of the high price many things:
that's a normal "high" price
it's the most expensive so that's got to be the very best

the player selling it is taking advantage of younger unknowing players. (remember your dedicated to helping new players, so this fact should really piss you off at the person doing the reselling, not lashing out at an upset crafter.)

there's so many sides here, but the root is that someone's using an exploit to take advantage of players with less understanding of ryzom's workings. if the person was selling them at the unexploited limit, then i would support your argument that lac got what she asked for and the other guy is just trying to turn a profit. (i don't practice things like that, seems like praying on the less knowing players of the game).

talk

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Remickla (atys)
Other games - they give you a cookie whether you succeed or not, in fact you don't even have to participate. Ryzom takes your cookie, eats it in front of you, and slaps you 2 or 3 times for bringing a cookie in the first place.
What Cookies is about ---- Contact Cookies ---- Cookies at Events ---- For Cookies Diggers and Crafters
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#22 [en] 

Nehrie
I made a seperate entry because this is a seperate thought.

If Lacuna or anyone gets their money that they ask for and someone else sells it after paying Lacuan/someone else I don't see the problem.

I think that is what capitalism and free enterprise is about. Buy and resell.

Nehrie

Actually that is *NOT* capitalism, but merchantilism.  (It is free enterprise, too.)  Classic capitalism is not possible in Atys because it is not possible to restrict access to raw materials or to constrain labor.

Last edited by Bitttymacod (4 years ago)

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 15 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#23 [en] 

Talkirc
ok, here's the thing that's at the root of why lac's upset.

she crafts a nice item, sells it for say 5000% (just a number)
the limit is 9999% (without exploit)
this person is reselling her stuff with exploited price of 20000%

if your a new player with no idea about stats, that new player might think because of the high price many things:
that's a normal "high" price
it's the most expensive so that's got to be the very best

talk

This is true. I have bought the most expensive item thinking it might be the best. Before I realized that players were using the merchants for storing their items.

which ends up being the same thing as an exploiter. Because I see the most expensive item I think it's the best I buy the storage item.

Last edited by Nehrie (4 years ago)

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#24 [en] 

and on that note, there's my post's for guild hall and apartment bulk upgrades (either one time behind the scene changes or a system to buy with dappers "upgrades" or "expansions")

with more privet storage space, the merchants wouldn't be needed for storage, which would then limit it to use by f2p's as a storage system (which is saddly fixed because they can't own an apartment or packers, only a mount, and 600 bulk {bag + mount} only goes so far.

talk

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Remickla (atys)
Other games - they give you a cookie whether you succeed or not, in fact you don't even have to participate. Ryzom takes your cookie, eats it in front of you, and slaps you 2 or 3 times for bringing a cookie in the first place.
What Cookies is about ---- Contact Cookies ---- Cookies at Events ---- For Cookies Diggers and Crafters
Useful Links:
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#25 [en] 

Nehrie
However, I have never been able to convince her to craft anything for me. For dappers mats or loyalty to maras. So losing her crafting doesn't change my world. She contributed/contributes nothing to my world.

She has contributed plenty to "your" world. Many maras have great gear due to Lac's efforts, thereby enriching the pvp experience for all.
Perhaps her reticence to craft for you had something to do with your outspoken views about the game forcing you to dig/craft and your complete derision of those maras who don't pvp but instead prefer other pursuits, who am I to say.

Nehrie
She introduced me to someone who would craft for me. I thank her for that.

My point is you close out me from access to your craft. So what do I care if you ever craft again? You are not effecting my game. Cause you never helped it in the first place.

You just contradicted yourself. And if by "you", you include me, then your memory is short.

Nehrie
I'm sorry if you feel that's mean.

I'm just tired of old timers acting like the whole game will fall apart if everyone doesn't dance to your tune.

I think that is mean.

As others have said, this is about using an exploit in game, causing  disadvantage to others.

Nehrie
Same as how the pvpers left 300 players (so I heard) all at once to teach Ryzom a lesson. Well ty pvpers for trying to destroy the game for everyone else.

I hate to see a talented crafter stopping crafting. There are too few. But since I never had access to the craft in the first place. It's not effecting my game.

Nehrie

Irony is the opposite of wrinkly............

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Marichia (4 years ago)

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#26 [en] 

You aren't doing anything but attacking me here Mariachia. Which is exactly what you did in PR that day when you invited me to leave the game because I pvp and you apparently think all pvpers should leave the game.

I believe maras are a clan. That makes a family. There is room for everyone in a family.

Crafters, diggers, meleers and magic users.

I don't distain everyone who doesn't pvp. But I also don't want to be invited to leave the game and be denied gear because I do.

Last edited by Nehrie (4 years ago)

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#27 [en] 

Nehrie
You aren't doing anything but attacking me here Mariachia. Which is exactly what you did in PR that day when you invited me to leave the game because I pvp and you apparently think all pvpers should leave the game.

I believe maras are a clan. That makes a family. There is room for everyone in a family.

Crafters, diggers, meleers and magic users.

I don't distain everyone who doesn't pvp. But I also don't want to be invited to leave the game and be denied gear because I do.

I didn't invite you to leave the game- after a long dissertation about how the game wasn't to your liking, you told me you were going to leave  and I simply concurred that maybe you should. And you may think I don't pvp, but it shows again that you don't know what you are talking about. 

And it seems you also forget the rant you had in uni where you espoused a very different opinion about crafter/diggers in the mara faction.

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#28 [en] 

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#29 [en] 

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#30 [en] 

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Last edited by Tiximei (4 years ago)

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