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#65 Added by Sekumbe 1 decade ago [en]

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The situation with PVP here is a lot worse than I thought. 5(!!!) pages of discussion about... someone being attacked. In a PVP zone. And not even killed.

I don't know what to say. I'm shocked. Its horrible. Its disgusting.

#66 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Sekumbe (atys)

The situation with PVP here is a lot worse than I thought. 5(!!!) pages of discussion about... someone being attacked. In a PVP zone. And not even killed.

I don't know what to say. I'm shocked. Its horrible. Its disgusting.

I agree, some people take it really seriously when they get attacked.. marauders are usually a lot less stressed about it probably that's why everybody hates them.

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#67 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Sekumbe (atys)

The situation with PVP here is a lot worse than I thought. 5(!!!) pages of discussion about... someone being attacked. In a PVP zone. And not even killed.

I don't know what to say. I'm shocked. Its horrible. Its disgusting.

Also what you need to understand about Ryzom is that there is NO Wow alike PvP here, the diggers+crafters own the game as much as the pvpers, I personally think the crafters own the game, since without them.. we cant get gear... most of these crafters are very dedicated and oldies on the server and not much pvp oriented, not only that they tend to outcast those that like pvp and they are seen as noobs.

That's why PvP is such a delicate issue over here. You can join marauder faction and feel a lot more free to do pvp, but you will get isolated from others really quick as you can see from this thread.

We organize sterile PvP tournaments, but outside that, not much... and people also have the idea that if you want to change this you'll make it worse....

so whatever... if it's within the rules, you can do it... at least that, right? :-)

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#68 Added by Mjollren 1 decade ago [en]

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My last 2 cents : I don't mind having resources in pvp areas, as long as you can choose a pve version if you're so inclined. Just don't lock stuff, as it happens currently with Lands of Umbra bosses; thankfully they're not q260 ones, that would be .. interesting.

Everything else seems fair game, SNs have pve region equivalents, nameds have pve equivalents, etc. To draw a parallel with Eve, you can mine both in lowsec and highsec places; you're given an option, you must be given an option if you claim we're in a sandbox.

About the thug vs boxer thing I won't insist, you seem to want to stick to the letter of "anything goes". That's not a game issue, that's a personality issue. See ya out there.

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#69 Added by Seralee 1 decade ago [en]

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Hello there, everybody and wooohoo .. it took me over an hour to read all the above. Very interesting replies, i had a good time reading it all.

So, correct me if I am wrong, but you, Eutrigan, as thread starter, are wishing for „higher morales“ in PvP (whatever they could be), is that right? Well does that not include you too? You know, the „treat other players like you wish to be treated“-thing, no?

Why I ask this? Well, I remember well, when we met the first time. It was in GoO over a season change (I was then still karavan btw). I was alone and in dig gear, with a pick in my hand, not even close to a supernode, just wanting to pass by to get to some kami friends, just to say hi mainly. And there you were, running towards me. I actually waved to you, said hi in around chat and asked you nicely to let me pass, that i just wanted to go say hi to some friends .. did you let me? No, of course not .. you did what I expected .. you attacked me. I didnt run, I didnt defend myself, I just asked again in around chat to be aloud to see my friends .. did you let me? No, of course you didnt. You continued attacking me. I asked a third time to let me live, did you? Again, of course not! You did exactly what I expected you to do in a pvp area, you killed me. Did I like it? Well of course not, I was actually pretty sad that you wouldnt let me see my friends there, but did I complain? Naaah .. why should I, I expect to be attacked in a pvp area, its just normal, no?

So, why I mention this? I am sorry, Eutrigan, but to me you seem hypocrite … I get, that its kinda hard when you are on the receiving end (trust me, i am most of the time, being the biggest pvp noob ever) but its no good whining about something that is just to be expected … you are tagged up or in a pvp map .. you can (not neccessarily will) be attacked, in any which way. And be honest, you know that well, you have done it too, do not deny it :-)

Huggles!

Sera :-)

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#70 Added by Sekumbe 1 decade ago [en]

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Now that's a turn! What will you say in your defense, Eutrigan?

And I have to admit - I somewhat agree with Mjollren about the choice, but in EVE certain very expensive and rare resources can be obtained only in Wormholes and Null Sec - which are lawless, and anyone can kill you there, with you loosing all the stuff - for example a very expensive barge, implants and other valuable equipment worth millions of isk.

So its a good thing to have rare resources in PVP zones - its the only promotion of PVP a PVE-oriented game can have. Remove this, and you can remove PVP zones as well - because they will loose any sense.

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#71 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Virg (atys)

In the early days, when this happened, we asked a SGM about the policies on the new server. He told us that mob dragging was perfectly legal. Then some got banned by other GMs, for mob dragging, different reasons or no reason at all. Yes, i can prove that easily... not publicly because evidence contains private communication to CSR which is illegal to publish under german law.

Hey this is typical Ryzom CSR & GM behavior what one CSR/GM tells you is perfectly fine to do another will transport you to a prison and hold you for an indefinite period of time with no explanation. That is what is killing this game. I've been muted, banned and imprisoned for engaging in conduct which one CSR said was fine but another did not like. This is why I let did not renew my subscription. While I enjoy the game, I see little point in paying to be beaten down for engaging in what is permissible according to one CSR/GM but is not permitted by the current tormenter in charge.

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#72 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Virg (atys)

Nice to know I am considered the school bully but thank you for the complement about my strength! *Flexes his muscles*

Virg,

Someone has to fill the role the was left vacant when my subscription expired. I was hoping someone from SA would step up and fill the void.

Rollocks
The Subjugated

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#73 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Gkr (atys)

Most of the PvP we do is in a controlled environment, this is not a real PvP, we are suppose to hate each other at Season change/ OP wars, but that's it.. While this may work for me and you, my guild your guild, it's all subjective.. but is not a game rule.. not immoral or wrong.. it is our decision.

^^^ Absolutely true and shame on those who think PvP should be done this way.

Gkr (atys)

Most of them left for the reason above, that it all feels artificial.. besides this is how we the "anglophones" feel about this game, the french do RP and they think we are all lame. :-)

Finally something the French and I agree on.

Rollocks

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#74 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en]

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Seralee (atys)

Why I ask this? Well, I remember well, when we met the first time. It was in GoO over a season change (I was then still karavan btw). I was alone and in dig gear, with a pick in my hand, not even close to a supernode, just wanting to pass by to get to some kami friends, just to say hi mainly. And there you were, running towards me. I actually waved to you, said hi in around chat and asked you nicely to let me pass, that i just wanted to go say hi to some friends .. did you let me? No, of course not .. you did what I expected .. you attacked me. I didnt run, I didnt defend myself, I just asked again in around chat to be aloud to see my friends .. did you let me? No, of course you didnt. You continued attacking me. I asked a third time to let me live, did you? Again, of course not! You did exactly what I expected you to do in a pvp area, you killed me. Did I like it? Well of course not, I was actually pretty sad that you wouldnt let me see my friends there, but did I complain? Naaah .. why should I, I expect to be attacked in a pvp area, its just normal, no?

Oh my, what a twist.. From hero to zero.

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#75 Added by Eutrigan 1 decade ago [en]

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Sera, love you but everyone seemed to miss the whole initial point and if this garbage of attacks when others are engaged in names or boss kills can be killed or attacked themselves just because of PvP zone, then not the game for me...

Have fun everyone, maybe I can get my money back...

#76 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en]

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Eutrigan (atys)

Sera, love you but everyone seemed to miss the whole initial point and if this garbage of attacks when others are engaged in names or boss kills can be killed or attacked themselves just because of PvP zone, then not the game for me...

Have fun everyone, maybe I can get my money back...

Sounds like it is not for you, or that you need to stay out of PvP zones. At lease you rest comfortably knowing that no one is permitted to post pictures of your dead lifeless body after you have been killed in a PvP zone.

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#77 Added by Alric 1 decade ago [en]

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Hi everybody ! I'm Alric, a famous mara from Seve Noire. A frenchie, frog-eater !

I would like to put a little word. I often doing this kind of lame pvp.
Some reasons :

-I'm angry because of OP Battle. Not Nice to don't have fair battle but that's game.
-I want the boss for myself and I don't waste my gear and jewels so I find a Nice mob to reduce life of the boss. The mob can be a Homin.
-I want kill the boss myself again but safely without time for reinforcements enemy so I wait the last second to kill the enemy.
-I can blackmail you next time
-I can meet people who are smart to not take this for lame. In fact, I meet Grave of Fireflies like that. I kill them often ( Lamda, Chizeta, Stun ) and they are neutral-kamis While you are kamis. Shame on you Eutrigan. At first they hated this but now I can team for fun with them for talking like girls and kill them anytime like boys. It should be like that and I think now they find this maybe awkward but they accept my style and I can be
Friends anyway.

Finally, from what I have seen, first Virg. I completely agree with attract players for pvp. Through I don't see many news Kamis do pvp without Asylum (that I hate Rollocks because he like that and I like Asylum)and some Keepers of Darkness. Yet it is a year that you started. On other side, french game style for pvp recruit more fans but not enough. AoH were the firsts during merge and they liked it. And now Magister Mortalis live too act like that ( I hope they won't be ban because of crap). So both way are good for attract players but you have to admit that our way is a good one too and works as equals or more because Asylum has adopt french game style for pvp. On my ari account,there wasn't any pvp like that.

And Eutrigan, your incomprehension of a kind of pvp and your habit to think you and your Guild Will be victimized... For us, you are a people among others, you are not important. I never heard of you yet I'm on the merge since beginning. You are just someone crying not in tell but on forums. And if you want slaughter Maras and hunt them, I Will wish you good Luck. I Will think you because you could bring 50 guildmates to the game.

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Ser Alric Courtisan à temps plein.

Kiriga

Pour moi Alric est le Matis Noir par excellence. Terriblement beau et attachant, manipulateur, menteur, la totale quoi.

#78 Added by Blondi 1 decade ago [en]

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Hi Alric I am new & if can u xplain better PvP. Reading forums take break from missions on silan & I c we have arena here no 1 ever use.

Read all some makes sense some don't but want 2 beter understand cus I c both sides. U sound difernt than rest.

Thank U

#79 Added by Daomei 1 decade ago [en]

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Probably one might take up the idea in the above statement to work on a PvP primer for the upcoming players' manual and the website.

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