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#16 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en] 

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Eutrigan (atys)
Good evening everyone, as most of know, I am not a PvP toon but I understand the game play concept and have no issues with it when it comes to digging in groups for SuperNodes but for the gutless toons that attack others who are killing names solo and are almost finished with as well as drained, this garbage needs to stop. I know what I am about to say below will not be popular and frankly do not care anymore because it has happened to me far more than I can count (digging or hunting) and if I need to leave my guild so nothing happens to them I will.

I was in Nexus today, killing Thomper and this gutless toon Kentxthen attacks me when Thomper is almost dead and I am drained to the point where I have nothing left to even make it a fight. Now, calling out toons by name in open is not a practice of mine but seriously are people that desperate to wait for others to do all the work and attack when there is minimal chance....

I know that people will give mixed reactions and response's with their own opinions but if toons want to PvP by all means go for it but this garbage of ambush is what we call "bush league" and has no point, purpose or place in Ryzom...

Feel free to have a field day with this and if you are not happy with it, you have my name and for the toons in my guild, as I stayed earlier, I will leave if need be...

Eutrigan

Hello Eutrigan,

I replied to the thread but not to you directly, which I believe was better than arguing with others about incidents like these.

As you said it, you're comfortable with some rules (that probably work well for you, when you're winning) but not with others.

I know that player, he is in my guild his name is actually "Kentxtime" and I have to tell you, that he attacked you because you are kami not necessarily to steal your named.

It is not wise to hunt alone in a PvP map. There is karma everywhere in Ryzom. When we have people from your guild killing us at season change, teasing us, we get motivated to get stronger, on the other hand, if we see you in a PvP map or tagged, well you guessed it. We kill you, plain and simple.

Not sure there's more to say regarding this, you can take everything out of context and look like a victim and blame marauders for being evil and stuff, but the reality is, no matter how you see it, is a war for resources.

Dont need to leave, dont get frustrated over this, I have the feeling your guild didnt explain you the rules of the game very well..

-- You are in a PvP Map expect to be attacked by anyone at anytime.
-- You are tagged, expect to be attacked by anyone at anytime.

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

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#17 Added by Eutrigan 1 decade ago [en] 

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Good day everyone, thank you for the feedback and it is nice to see that some of you out there actually have a brain-cell and understand a moral code as well as have a sense of value. To those who still do not get it, please go back to WoW where you will fit in perfectly.

For 5yrs before the merger (I have been playing now for over 6+yrs) , this happened only once to a very well know and respected Monk and at which time was upsetting not only Kami but Kara as well. The toon was digging in PR, attached because of ignorant toons using a BS rule and after that, we gathered every Kami and Kara we could, stationed at least 2 toons at every TP and Portal and made certain that this will not be tolerated. At which time, that toon and his entire guild quite and being killed, over and over with no place to hide.

I used to train with kara, had several friends in the Arma's and even was recruited by Jola on the same day that I met Fenomeno and Nuno (for those of you have been playing long enough, you know all 3 toons i just mentioned have been around since day 1 and are highly respected) and there was cross guild interaction and acceptance.

I never tag myself because to me PvP is a waste of time and if i want to test out new armor, jewels or weapon receipts, I as a fellow guild member or someone i know to duel test with me, otherwise, never tag or PvP.

Now fast forward to after the merger and we had the same garbage with AoH killing and stealing and for those who remember, I went on a 1 month killing and hunting spree of every AoH guild member (tagged or not, PvP or PvE area or not), had several tickets logged against me but did not care. I was tired of toons hiding behind rules.

Is that what we want the game to be, mindless killing and bush league play? If that is what Ryzom will turn into, then we will lose a lot of good players and what will happen in-time is that Ryzom will cease to exist because people will stop P2P and stop playing entirely.

As I stated before, feel free to have your say and again if not happy with my comments, you know where to find me.

PS, sorry to all of those who actually enjoy, respect the game and have a sense of moral value for this rant because as you know, I do not make a post unless something really bothers me.

Eutrigan

#18 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en] 

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You got it all wrong, I respect you as a player, but as a kamist, you are my enemy, if you can accept this idea... and get over the fact that you're not on Arispotel anymore, we can have great fun together.

And once you do PvP, you'll stop taking things personally and just enjoy it.

Cheers.

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#19 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en] 

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it is called Player vs Player not Player v Player (except for me). Grow up and quit whining, Or find a safe game like solitaire to play.

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#20 Added by Eutrigan 1 decade ago [en] 

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Wow, both intelligent and insightful, amazing...

Thanks for the brilliant advice.

Have a great day.

#21 Added by Daniyar 1 decade ago [en] 

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You all speak how this areas are PvP so everyone need to be prepared to be attacked anytime.
However, you forget the reason this area is PvP exists no more: there is no longer supreme dig spot in nexus ever since merge so the fact that is PvP is only a byproduct off removed content (imo, yomv etc).

Also, pvp is not only reason for which one can go to nexus, there is golden there so.. no content is restricted to pvpers and if it is, shame on game.

In any case, acknowledging Arispotle/Leanon/Aniro don't exist, you must understand people coming from this different places have different game style.. You may say it don't exist anymore so we must all adopt your game style but I see no honour or morale anywhere in killing someone who be already drained hp/sap, like killing a yubo...

Good day to you all.

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#22 Added by Rollocks 1 decade ago [en] 

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Daniyar (atys)

Also, pvp is not only reason for which one can go to nexus, there is golden there so.. no content is restricted to pvpers and if it is, shame on game.

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It isn't restricted to PvPers. But anyone who goes there should expect to be attacked. You get this warning every time you enter the zone. Shame of those who go there, get the warning, ignore the warning and the whine when they fall prey to another homin.

Now that vanilla role play has become the standard, I guess the next thing is to enforce vanilla style of gameplay. Great way to package and promote it as some sort of moral code.

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#23 Added by Casy 1 decade ago [en] 

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The Nexus is a primary area for future conflict. It is unique in many ways. The sup spots were not the reason.

Ryzom has PvP Areas, and in these Areas PvP is one of the activities of Ryzom. You may try to sneak through and do something there without PvP. But you have to accept PvP at any time.

And morally... you are not a respected pacifist neutral. You are part of a faction that is at war! If you don't like that, read up on lore and find a better alignment and guild for you. You might get killed fewer times. Short: If you do war, you get war.

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#24 Added by Eutrigan 1 decade ago [en] 

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Perfectly articulated and brilliantly said wish I would have thought of that earlier or before...
You get a Gold Star congrats for helping me see the light and reminding me why I wage a personal war against AoH and was ticketed several times from AoH whining because I played their own game against them... I had thought that this garbage game play was over, silly me.

Good to know that ignorance is still alive and well in this world, I was thinking that maybe game etiquette and common sense had taken over but as a wise man once told me; common sense is not common and the 2 most abundant elements are hydrogen and ignorance...

Let see how long this game will play out before people open up their eyes and remember what made this game before the merger great and why and when action will be taken...

I guess I need to prepare myself again for tickets logged against me and my alt...

Happy days and good fun times ahead.

Thank you everyone for your input and feedback..

#25 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en] 

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Sorry bro, but you are the ignorant here, you are saying because you cant take it, you will break the rules, that means disrespect towards players.... we didnt break the rules, yet you said you did it before and will do it again... I believe you have an attitude problem and have no game etiquette.

You must understand that, if you see me in a PvP map and kill me I wont get pissed of, this is normal behavior, this is expected!

Dont break the rules, just do PvP, like all of us... you are setting a bad example here... and I hope you get banned.

Cheers.

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#26 Added by Casy 1 decade ago [en] 

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I didn't ticket you but i can see why other AoH did (if they did).

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#27 Added by Virg 1 decade ago [en] 

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AoH did actually break the rules many times from what I have heard from players. Aggro dragging in non-PvP areas and i assume that is what Euti is referring to.

Even though ganking in PvP areas is legal- and you are completely correct in that, what I believe was the fundamental purpose in this post was that your attack was gutless. For people to want to get into PvP they have to see the good side of it. If you want more people to PvP you have to be good promoters of it. If you run around ganking people who aren't ready you will push the vast majority of people away from PvP- not towards it. Yes you may have your 3 seconds of fun but you have just pushed a potential future PvPer away from what is a great sport.

You so easily insult and berate Eutrigan for not having game etiquette but let me ask you this. Do you thinking ganking is a particularly nice thing to do? Sure I have done it many times but to players I know well- and I know they can take it. The proper etiquette in my person opinion would be to offer up a duel and give your opponent time to respond and even walk away if they don't fancy it.

The point is yes you were within the law, but you are pushing people away from PvP with your attitude.

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#28 Added by Gkr 1 decade ago [en] 

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Virg (atys)
AoH did actually break the rules many times from what I have heard from players. Aggro dragging in non-PvP areas and i assume that is what Euti is referring to.

Yes and they got banned, yet this guy is bragging about breaking the rules and he didnt get punish about it.
Virg (atys)
Even though ganking in PvP areas is legal- and you are completely correct in that, what I believe was the fundamental purpose in this post was that your attack was gutless. For people to want to get into PvP they have to see the good side of it. If you want more people to PvP you have to be good promoters of it. If you run around ganking people who aren't ready you will push the vast majority of people away from PvP- not towards it. Yes you may have your 3 seconds of fun but you have just pushed a potential future PvPer away from what is a great sport.

Yes and I demand from now on at Season Change 10 kamis vs 10 maros, because I feel offended when you guys come in big numbers and kill us and tease us, no way to promote a season change battle, oh wait, it's as design, oh well... Im over it and so should you !!!
Virg (atys)
You so easily insult and berate Eutrigan for not having game etiquette but let me ask you this. Do you thinking ganking is a particularly nice thing to do? Sure I have done it many times but to players I know well- and I know they can take it. The proper etiquette in my person opinion would be to offer up a duel and give your opponent time to respond and even walk away if they don't fancy it.

Nobody insulted Eutrigan, it was the other way around, but then again, you always see whatever you want in a thread and manipulate the information the way it sounds better for you.

The only relevant infos here are:

1. he got killed in a PvP map
2. he threaten to break the rules to show us better!

who insulted who? you tell me!
Virg (atys)
The point is yes you were within the law, but you are pushing people away from PvP with your attitude.

The point is, his way of fixing it, wasnt.. and it's without a game etiquette.

Not sure why yet again you replied to this thread.. you got nothing.

Cheers.

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#29 Added by Zehrix 1 decade ago [en] 

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Hey there!

Eutrigan, i see here you make the others inteligent in a sarcastic mode and you say you are the only one here insulted. lol
Before posting in a public forum about someone look first if you write the player name corectly (Kentxtime*).
And i hope you don't think (when you post in a public forum) all of these players will agree with you. There are 2 kinds of players: who disagree with you and who agree with you.

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'On Ryzom, PvP is at all times consentual. Activating your PvP tag, entering a PvP zone or engaging in an outpost battle implies that you accept the consequences. To put it another way, if you don't want to take part in PvP action, then do not activate your tag or go into PvP zones.' - Code of Conduct

#30 Added by Casy 1 decade ago [de] 

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Virg (atys)
AoH did actually break the rules many times from what I have heard from players. Aggro dragging in non-PvP areas and i assume that is what Euti is referring to.

Just a very short word for this provocation:

In the early days, when this happened, we asked a SGM about the policies on the new server. He told us that mob dragging was perfectly legal. Then some got banned by other GMs, for mob dragging, different reasons or no reason at all. Yes, i can prove that easily... not publicly because evidence contains private communication to CSR which is illegal to publish under german law.

Please play by the rules. Do not insult players for playing the game because the insult is an infraction by itself.

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