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Turn Cat producton rate back up.
Yes 59 (7)
67.8%
No 23 (1)
26.4%
Other 5
5.7%
Abstain 5
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#31 [en] 

It's easy for me to say because I was one of those around long enough to remember when we didn't have any at all. It's also easy for me to say because I've always believed you have to earn them, they're not a right and we did so by taking and defending outposts on a regular basis. Now that the population is so low, having the same level of production as then means everyone would have them and there'd be no intensive to bother with outposts. I will agree with you though that there should be _proper_ PvP alternatives to obtaining them though. (and yeah, guess what, I've been saying that for years too)

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#32 [en] 

Shaw
Jayce
Spoilt brats, go take an outpost.

I am new to the game, but maybe not everyone is keen on these battles ..

I am told that there used to be lots of cats around - so that was great for those who levelled with them - easy to tell others to do without. Sorry this just seems unfair to me.

I am a neutral player and do not take part in outpost battles (I did in a couple of cases for curiosity, though), and am not aligned to any guild. Yet I don't see that experience catalysts are denied to young players.

When arriving on mainland, you get some stacks of cats from the city welcomer missions, as there are always helpful players trekking you around the world, four of them available to you. That is far enough to cover your supply of q50 cats for a while, and gives you useful experience and valuable crafting plans, in addition.

Next step would be starting the "touring the camps" missions, available in all 4 countries for civ neutral players above nation fame of +10, or - with 2.5 times more nation points - in the country where you obtained citizenship. The first two camps, which are fairly easy to reach in all countries, give 250 (625) fp, enough for 250 (625) cats q50 or 125 (312) cats q100 (higher q not recommended to obtain that way). That is ways more than you need on a daily base for the beginning. With some experience, the full run to all camps can be done, especially easy in Fyros and Zorai lands, giving 2,200 (5,500) nation fp. I am doing the desert and jungle run in approx. 45 minutes (I am doing it for picks and sap crystals rather than cats).

Next step would be starting with occupations. There are 4 occupations around which do not need kitin lair visits. Level 4 may be achieved in bit more than 2 weeks on the optimal path allowing you to produce about 1500-1800 crystals a day. No need for pvp, no need for outposts.

Btw., at least on our server, guilds still use to give away cats q50-150 to young players. Beginners willing to stay and to join guilds are more valuable for guilds than stacks of cats.

Last edited by Daomei (1 decade ago)

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#33 [en] 

I voted 'yes' cuz it became completely impossible to get any cats 200-250q if u dont have OPs. Guilds that own these OPs hardly supply their members. So there is no trades for those who dont have ones. Sad :(

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#34 [en] 

Kennymint
I voted 'yes' cuz it became completely impossible to get any cats 200-250q if u dont have OPs. Guilds that own these OPs hardly supply their members. So there is no trades for those who dont have ones. Sad :(
Incredible. Ppl "suffering" but unwilling to take the opportunities the system offers to them. Since the extended occupations are in effect, I not only did not suffer any shortage of cats but gave away a lot of cats to friends, newbies and a special guild on Leanon created to provide cats and op mats to guildless players and op-less guilds.

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#35 [en] 

Deomai, I swear if I have to hear about occupations one more time I am going to slam my head into my computer desk. I understand cats are supposed to be valued but there is NO WAY occupations would satisfy my need for cats. I am not sure how fast you level but even when I came to the mainland 4 stacks of q50 cats didnt last me long at all. So stick with your occupations and I will go ahead and vote yes for cat increases.

#36 [en] 

Entendu
Deomai, I swear if I have to hear about occupations one more time I am going to slam my head into my computer desk. I understand cats are supposed to be valued but there is NO WAY occupations would satisfy my need for cats. I am not sure how fast you level but even when I came to the mainland 4 stacks of q50 cats didnt last me long at all. So stick with your occupations and I will go ahead and vote yes for cat increases.

totally agreed!

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#37 [en] 

Entendu
Deomai, I swear if I have to hear about occupations one more time I am going to slam my head into my computer desk.

Ok, you asked for. Either put your helmet on to avoid injury or stop reading.
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I understand cats are supposed to be valued but there is NO WAY occupations would satisfy my need for cats.
Unless you are eating cats, using them for undescript (mind minors' protection) sexual practices or else, I fail to see how occupations cannot satisfy the "need" of an individual player for cats. The only reason why I am sometimes running out of cats e.g. when lvling armor crafting 220 to top, 4 parts at a time, is that I am producing potions (a valuable commodity) as well. I am - as a single player - producing at best more than half of the output of an outpost running 50/50 mat and cats. Ok, that's maximum, that's stress, and I seldom do it as I never need it, just for pride.

I am not sure how fast you level but even when I came to the mainland 4 stacks of q50 cats didnt last me long at all. So stick with your occupations and I will go ahead and vote yes for cat increases.
I started playing bit less than 15 mths ago and mastered 12 skills, 4 out of 5 digging, 1 fight 1 magic 6 crafting. I do not know whether or not that is fast. I am a humble individual player doing my best.

I want to stress that I have a good friend who is less achievement addicted and refuses to use cats at all not to let her fun be spoiled by overly fast progress. I admire her.

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#38 [en] 

Okay not everybody likes occupations. Maybe Leanon is occupation crazed but I know maybe three people that have actually managed to get to Q250 cat making and even less that have mastered/done all of the occupations. I don't even know how cat making works. All I know is you need to use multiple occupations and a fire..

I see people dable in them even did myself but as I said before I personally despise occupations. I've hated them ever since they were implemented. Can't really explain it though so don't ask why.

Cats should be open for all types of players not just the people who love to farm occupations.

I only use cats for my crafting and its a tough time trying to find them. There are a few individuals I can count on for trying to get me some when they have some spare but I still find days where I'm crafting without them and it just means more digging which means more dying for me.

It's getting on my nerves about you constantly returning to the fact that occupations are a sufficient way to get cats.

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Meagy :)
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High Officer of Spiritus Artificis
Never argue with an idiot; they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

#39 [en] 

Like I said previously the only viable alternative i see, is to get 10 or 20 alts and tour the camps with them. But not everyone has the computing power to manage that.

#40 [en] 

Meagon
Okay not everybody likes occupations. Maybe Leanon is occupation crazed ..
Not quite. Yet occupations got a boost over alchemy potions. And there are a couple of ppl crafting cats, though, with a yet smaller population than Arispotle, cats shortage is not that hard.
I see people dable in them even did myself but as I said before I personally despise occupations. I've hated them ever since they were implemented. Can't really explain it though so don't ask why.
That ist your right and your taste, nobody must criticize that. But you should then live with the consequences: either finding somebody providing you with the products of (advanced) occupations or not having them.
Cats should be open for all types of players not just the people who love to farm occupations.
Well, and what about ppl who don't love PvP, or those at least not loving PvP in OP fights? Actually, the advanced occupations opened alternative access to cats for individual players and not OP holding guilds. I consider that a better way than just flooding the bark with cats or leave them with OP holders only.
It's getting on my nerves about you constantly returning to the fact that occupations are a sufficient way to get cats.
Feel free to ignore what I am writing. Yet the developpers have created an opportunity allowing to produce up to 4 stacks of cats per day and character in every quality, limited by the effort of obtaining basic occupation products. So one cannot say that there is no way to obtain sufficient cats. Just on contrary, the more players are around and produce, the more cats, different from the fixed set of OPs. Therefore my insisting in contradiction that there is no way to get sufficient cats. There is a logical difference between don't like and doesn't exist.

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#41 [en] 

*smacks head on desk*
Daomei, you use the oocupations and I don't think anyone disagrees that is impressive that you maintain cats for yourself.. For me.. There is NO WAY I would want to dig mats... THEN go do the cat occupations... THEN craft.. thats a lot of work just for a few stacks of cats. Please ask youself.. If they increased cat production would this REALLY adversely effect you? Probably not.. You would still be able to stay out of OPs and do your occupations.
Also the fact that you talk to Meagon about PvP is funny. I realize your not on Arispostle but Meagon is not a advocate for PvP and from what I can tell stays out of most of it now a days.

#42 [en] 

There is loss of logic in your arguments. Increasing the cat production rate would not at all affect you if you are getting your cats from crafting them only. You could still craft away and enjoy what you do.

Why should I have consequences when I don't like the occupations. They didn't even exist until that long ago. Sure I don't get all those weird boosts and I don't get potions, but why should that mean I don't get cats? I'm not a PvP crazed homin as Entendu said, I've detached a bit from them and sure I love taking part in the occasional battle but you won't see my guild ever attacking an outpost. I enjoy helping people and seeing them get what they want and need.

Until people start popping up that are obsessed with the occupations like you I don't see how Ari can even supply cats for a fraction of the population. Because cats are so scarce if people do craft them they keep them to theirselves or maybe share with their guild. I don't know I've never seen/heard of anybody crafting them to a large extent

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Meagy :)
Spirit of Atys
High Officer of Spiritus Artificis
Never argue with an idiot; they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

#43 [en] 

Ulykus
I agree... and kinchers don't hunt mektoubs :-)

You noticed it! But there is one exception to this: one with a homin mounted on top ;-)

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#44 [en] 

I read a lot of this post until it became the same points going backwards and forwards.

I feel a change is necessary, as the original intention was to get rid of the surplus in the game world. For starters the production needs to be switched around, more higher lvl cats than lower lvl cats, because gaining levels at 0-50 is much quicker than 200-250.

and then maybe a slight increase...

#45 [en] 

Soloreaper
I feel a change is necessary, as the original intention was to get rid of the surplus in the game world. For starters the production needs to be switched around, more higher lvl cats than lower lvl cats, because gaining levels at 0-50 is much quicker than 200-250.

Please consider that there are only 4 outposts producing q50 catalyzers (as far as they are producing cats at all). Lvl 50 is reached soon, anyway, even without cats.

On the other hand, all f2p players can use only q50-q150 cats due to the level cap. And many players quit or reduce playtime before reaching lvl 150 oder even lvl 200. So the overall demand for cats below level 200 may exceed that for the higher levels.
and then maybe a slight increase...
I still doubt that this is the right way, much more that a slight increase will be felt at all outside the OP holding guilds. First reaction on a slight or even medium increase will be servicing the demand of guild members of OP holding guilds. Next step will be refilling or building up reserves for the case of OP loss. After that, demand of allied guilds, be it for members or restacking reserves, may be serviced. Only after all that, the general public may take advantage - or not. Some guilds may also decide to produce more mats once cats output has been raised in case the throttled cat production is servicing their demand.

I know that on Leanon at least 2, probably 3 lvl 250 outposts do not produce cats at all. The holders are battle hardened guilds of long term players who long leveled out all skills of their need, several of them before cats existed in the game. Why should they sacrifice valuable tekorn, vedice, maga etc. just for gifting cats to "spoiled brats"?

That's why I favor methods empowering all interested homins, not just OP holders. I think that cat pricing in faction points above q100 is wrong and prohibitive. q50 to q250 have a per cat cost in civ fp of 1,2,4,8,17, in cult fp even 2,4,8,16,33 which is kind of quadratic increase. This is unreasonable and results in about 17,000 civ fp for a single stack of catalyzers, meaning 8 times ca touring the camps for a neutral player and about two and a half for a citizen. A pricing of 1,2,3,4,5 for civ fp (dunno about cult fp, any suggestion?) would seem fair to me, amountig in 440 q250 cats per camp run for a neutral and 1100 for a citizen. That is still not much for 45-90minutes of touring all camps in a country.

My general objection of simply raising OP production of cats is that I obviously everybody expects to be given cats for free. Nobody so far told how much of which valuables she would be willing to give in exchange for a stack of cats of a given quality to the producers of cats no matter whether they be OP holders, crystal crafters, camp runners, mission mat diggers, or PvPists. Only then one could judge whether overall cat production is too low.

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Daomei (1 decade ago)

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