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Interesting. So this means that I can "hold" a Boss with a teammate (two ppl), locking the Boss down until I get hold of some more people to help me, lets say cpl hours later?

Or is there a timer for how long you can lock the creature down?

And if your team almost gets wiped and needs to leg it, thus losing the aggro of the Boss, will the lock be removed directly or is there a "cooldown" time from when the team loses the aggro?

I don't see why Ryzom has to punish other players for helping to kill a boss. I suggest a different approach: Everyone who helped gets rewarded with different reward tiers.

Keep the dealt damage % as measurement and add reward tiers. For example:

Tier 1: Minimum reward, needs 5% or more total damage to the boss. 5 mats.
Tier 2: Standard reward, needs 20% or more total damage to the boss. 20 mats.
Tier 3: Bonus reward, needs 50% total or more total damage to the boss. 60 mats.

So if a team is killing a boss and non teamed players start attacking it, it could work like this:

Team 73% damage, 60 lootable mats for one member of the team, can share internally.

Player A: 21% damage, 20 lootable mats for the player.

Player B: 5% damage, 5 lootable mats for the player.

Player C: 1% damage, no loot

Last one prevents player from just hitting a boss once or twice and get rewarded for basically no contribution. With this a boss reward is divided up into different loot scenarios, fully automated and with little work. It would be nice to tell the player their current reward / loot tier, but this might be technically challenging.

The percentages have to add up to 100% so it is impossible to infinitely get loot. If two teams attack it, it will be likely one does > 50% and the other automatically less, so 60 mats and 20 mats. This could add their own little challenges on killing bosses, who gets more then half of its hp down.

Technical implementation could be: attach a player => damage list to each boss. For each successful hit sum up the damage for the player. If the boss is dead, go through the damage list and decide for each player if allowed to loot and amount of mats.

Could also add a timeout, so if no damage is dealt for 5 min the player gets removed from the list and has to start again.


I have seen this in other mmos and it works nicely. It draws player together and rewards teamwork on a larger scale. If you look at the regular NPC hunt organized by the community, a similar system is in place. Everyone who helped gets a share in the end.

arc

If somemone is willing to help, and the others accept his help, he may simply be invited to join the team ?

9 people for a boss is pretty enought.

If for any reason he cannot be teamed, but his help expected, the group can reward him later with a standard exhange.

I don"t like the idea that someone could get a automatic reward for a unexpected participation.

C'est une très bonne modif, je me demande qui des joueurs ou des CSR sont les plus heureux :p


@Arc, in this case, if another team shoot the boss it's for stealing it not for giving help.
If a team want to help, they can do it, and, the other team decide if they want to give a reward or not.

Because this is how Ryzom decided to do it. Imagine you can't steal a boss anymore. If someone attacks it, it is killed faster because more damage and everybody wins. This means everybody gets a reward.

arc

I really don't like that, if you want to be rewarded, seek and kill boss.

What you suggest is a reward for opportunistic people.

Why a team would allow enemies to get free boss mats ?
Friends will always probably rewarded for help anyway.

Let's look at the new loot lock system logically.
If two players, as a team, start to attack a boss, then they will get a loot lock but they must remain part of that attack process. If other join in, they will not get the loot lock, regardless of the damage they do, unless they become part of that initial team.
If the original team lose the lock by dying, or running away then, rightly, another team can try their luck. Even if the original team did the majority of the damage, it does not give them the right to claim the boss, because they were not able enough to complete the task.
If a second team decides to help the first team but are not invited to the original team, which has the loot lock, then it is down to common decency, just as it is now, when it comes to distributing the loot.
Any decent player will acknowledge the help of others when it comes to the sharing of the loot.
However, just as exists now, one unscrupulous player could just take all the loot and run, if they are part of the loot lock team.
Bear in mind that, as Tamarea's original text states, the loot lock system is an addition to the existing system.

gotta give them credit for trying to imporve the looting system.  (do think the whole only one person get's loot and they have to distribute it thing will always run the risk of abuse by a selfish player, i can't help but think of kitin events... the best solution i've seen to making the looting system fair is the one used by "yubo ho-ho" where everyone invloved gets the same amount and type of loot as long as they were invloved in the fight, problem is thats an event mob and might not be something transfered to normal mobs of the game).

just my 2 dappers.

Whilst I don't disagree that, ideally, an automatic distribution of the loot, to all those involved in the fight is the best way, it is not clear cut as to who they would be. Do you just distribute amongst those in the loot lock team and leave it down the that team to acknowledge the potential help from others? Do you develop some complex algorithm to decide who was doing damage and who was healing at the time?

The second issue is that automatic distribution has a basic arithmetic problem. Regardless of how many items are given as loot, how do you distribute fairly between 2,3,4,5,6,7 or however many there are in the team, when we cannot give a fraction of a bone, bud, tooth, horn or whatever the items are to be looted?

To do this fairly, the number of items would need to be dynamic and that would create an additional problem. For example why should a team of seven get more items, in total, than a team of two, simply because we cannot give fractions of an item.

The way in which we distribute loot at present, is to divide the loot by the number of guilds involved but the same issue of fractional parts of an item still arises and, currently it is up to the homin distributing the loot to decide on the most appropriate way.

You forgot to mention how to deal with those who say, "I don't need the mats. I was just here to help out." Also, if I bring Widget to a boss fight, are we 1 guild or 2? (She is not a Rift Walker; she is an Expendable Asset.) If we keep it manual, then we side-step those issues. Those that just helped for fun instead of profit won't get stuff they don't want, and those with alts won't double-dip.