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i like what i read naema, nice to see that others agree something, what exactly is still unknown, but something needs to be done to unite us again, we're all homin.

Talkirc, we had this discussion already, and I recall to have made the proposal with the several dimensions, which, btw. is not even in contradiction with RL physics (refer to multiple worlds interpretation in quantum physics, Everest, DeWitt et al.).

For me, it is important, that our histories which shaped us before the merge, will not be scrapped. I cannot say which part of them will ever be significant again, thus I cannot say that I am willing to give up parts of it. I want to listen to the experiences of others from other realms, to learn from them for better understanding.

if daomei we did, i must have misunderstood, for that i'm sorry, but if we go with that ideal, then the 3 histories are just that, and from the point of the merger on we're making new history, that's directly related to the here and now of the new atys. if that's the case (as it could very well be, and i'm open to it, IF) then at this point all role play changed form the separate worlds/parallel universes/ect. to this new one, the new roleplay should be related to getting to know eachother, and to talk about our different histories from where ever. and we start new roleplay that doesn't really relate to that for the over all story, but for each player, the deed's they did the memories they have, can stay intact, however they have to move beyond the cataclysmic event that forced us all together into a single world/universe/reality/ect.

that will help to create the new history of ONE atys.

i see new options to this problem, now all we have to do is all come to terms with at least one of these options. then we can start at that point, until then, we're all lost and confused about what's real, and to each of us in question, it was real for us all, but different from eachother, we can learn from that if we open our minds to it.

I love that this thread is starting to become constructive, and I would never have tought about the alternative reality's idea myself wich I like.

The "Alternate World" theory is almost a standard in Science Fiction literature for decades, of course. The current mode of Steampunk, originally fathered in the Seventies by Michael Moorcock (The Bastable Chronicles), Brian W. Aldiss (Frankenstein Unbound) and Harry Harrison (A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!), named in the Eighties by K.W. Jeter (Morlock Nights), Tim Powers (The Anubis Gates) and James P. Blaylock (Homunculus) and receiving its cornerstone with William Gibson's & Bruce Sterling's 1991 ultimate alternative history novel, The Difference Engine, would have been impossible without it.

I just guess that's the basic future idea for Ryzom, too. It would explain so much (not only different memories, but why have our long-time politicians, for example, never met before?). It, and that's the important thing, would save our characters.

The latter would not be that important to me if I had joined the game shortly before the Second Swarming, but after over eight years here, beginning between the Marauder Invasion and the Temple Wars, my character (I dislike the term "toon", which makes it too abstract and unpersonal for me) was shaped by what happened IG on Leanon during all those years, and I am certain the same feeling have the players on Arispotle and Aniro who are on Atys for ages, at least if they were involved in RP at all. To wipe out the past of the three servers (or of two, or of one) would destroy more than could be gained by a new history for all three together, I think. From the very personal view: I'm not grinding, I'm neither a digger, nor a crafter - not even a fighter, in fact - I'm just a roleplayer, and loosing my history would really be the end of Salazar. You can't start anew, from scratch, after so many years. I couldn't.

P.S.: Don't know that Sterga Hamla. What is his function on Silan? As said before, there was no Silan when I started to play ...

I doesn't contribute to the discussion here, but in fact on Leanon Dexton had the most heroic death imaginable - like Colonel Travis in 1960's THE ALAMO he held Ceratos Gate fighting the invading Kitins before being run over and thus won a lot of respect from Salazar that way. He knew how to make an exit. ;)

I'm trying to get to a compromize here. Just look at what i voted for! I'm willing to help make the merge, I'm willing to give up some of the History that i know. Daomei just say NO and we should accept his. I have even edited the post where i have said a part of my back story about Thesos. Have a Look, It wasn't edited 3 miuntes ago.

But to be fair I'm playing a Fyros character. The Fyros are being depicted as hotheaded, foulmouthed, eye for an eye people on Silan. If you ask me, i'm playing my role perfectly, yet i'm STILL being critisized for it. Next will be what? Only the French and German community will be allowed to RP?

Another thing! I was asked not to put szjb: or nkb: on my posts. Well i would like to ask the french players to NOT put HRP and such on the English forums. To me HRP means Horse Piss. So as long as they are allowed to use the abreviation of THEIR native language of Out Of Character and In Character on the Forums I should be too allowed to do in my native language as well. If they don't understand it, they can ask me in game like i had ask what HRP is in game.

Thank you

I personnally could agree with a common past for ATYS, as it is quite easy for my character that is not as old as many others. The changes would be minor, most of my character's past history could be just told as a story that many didn't know that happened. But I understand as well that players having a character that had relationship with important NPC could not wipe their past like that.

(for Fyranna) Daomei (as example) is not forcing you to accept her past history, she's asking you not to force her to wipe it, which is slightly but enough different.

That being said, I have no proposition to make. The idea of multiple universes merging is too close to the server merge statement for me to consider this serious as a roleplaying fact. (and is too "Fringe"-like too imo (in my opinion for peoples not knowing this shortcut)

History in real life has conflicting versions. As we find out more facts some incidents are re-evaluated and the history books change. I don't see any problem with this happening on Atys.

We all accept the history we are taught but we should all be aware that this history is not necessarily what really happened.

In my opinion the persistent history is one of the attributes which makes Ryzom special and different. For me as a new player now nearly 3 years ago it was an amazing experience to read all the names of guilds and players from a then about 7 year long history, for example at the memorial steles for the crafters and fighters of the temple wars. So many of these players had vanished, some of them we even lost in RL as I was told by their friends. And a couple of them was still around.

Meeting those people and reading these memories - on the planet and in the forums and archives - was a great experience making this game unique in comparison with mainstream stuff with its pre-cooked storyline where the player circled in a closed time loop.

While the steles and inscriptions are gone (maybe one should think of a place to let them reappear, kind of Aniro, Arispotle, and Leanon museum), it would be cruel to wipe the memories as well. And it would deprive us of something valuable.

Yet you had no problem telling me that my near to 6 years of Ryzom history count for nothing. And that I'm distorting Leanon's History.

Now that everyone is using their character age as an argument... I'm here since 2004 and have seen a lot of ups and downs both in RP as well as regarding Ryzom as a game and the company behind it.

I'm not and have never been a very active RPer but I participated in lots of events and other RP ocassions over the time up to now and even I am seeing the need to merge the histories.

Some things are easy to megre others will be very hard though:
Smaller events with little impact could just have been overlooked by those from the other servers (as they were by other players on the same servers as well in some cases) so they could be mashed together nearly blind.

Some big events like the temple wars can be merged with a little bit of effort (foundation already laid in this case as none of the temples survived the 2nd swarm) so we have all been hard at work, Kami- and Karavan-followers fighting each others and lots of homins disappearing from Atys.

Some Big events will need a lot of discussion though and I have faith that the event team will find a viable solution for this (eg. the nearly or full scale war between Matis and Fyros) though some recent events lead me to the conclusion that the internal communication inside the event team needs to be improved as well.

Finally some small advice that everyone could take to heart:
- Try to avoid names that were only used on one of the servers eg. instead of "TENNANT" (Aniro) use "our previous contract"
- Results that were only part of only one server could be described in another way eg. instead of "The Kami managed to get 3 sanctuaries and the Karavan only 1 temple" (Leanon) use "the Kami gave the Karavan a hard time" or "the Kami had the upper hand during the temple wars" (the final result was 2+2 on the other servers but close to nobody remembers how hard it was for each side in reality so even if the kmai had the upper hand the karavan might have been able to use their finesse to get at the materials as well and still get enough mats for their temples)

(note: I avoided topics where I'm not sure what happened on other servers)

Here a few big events that happened on all servers:
- Kami/Karavan War in Nexus (champion titles for participants)
- Kitin Invasion that lead to opening the portal Fyros <-> Zorai
- Assassination of Still Wyler during the signing of the contract basically removing the government influence on the outposts making them a guild-only matter

Also been around for a long time (title from a long ago server and I can show you a special dance, I remember the days when only Zoraï and Matis wandered the server, the Fyros and Trykers had not yet been born). I tried bringing my original character into the new server and then I started to realize some things but among them, I realized something very important:

He was born in 2519 and wandered a couple of decades before reaching Silan but that was the second time I started playing that character (I wiped him and restarted). His original birthdate back in 2004 was in 2490. It is now 2575, if I had kept the original time line for that character, he'd be 85 years old now!

Yes, time on Atys is different but that alone made me start thinking that it was time for him to either die a good death or simply vanish. He's done both over the years since 2004. :)

How OLD are your characters homins? Do you role play them old or do you fudge that bit? If you fudge that, how much else can you fudge?

Anzhanto began so I would not have to fudge so much. Also, it's nice to meet homins again for the first time. ;)

Well said Anzhanto.

Well, Mabreka Cho was born in 2485 and is still capable of leading the Zorai, so it would appear that active ages of up to a century or more may be possible or even probable if the homin manages to avoid excessive wear on his Seed due to exposure to Goo or too many resurrections from violent injuries. In the case of Mabreka Cho, of course, there may be extra strength loaned to him by the Kamis.

We do know that some homins' Seeds are more fragile than those of other homins. That some of us have lasted to a significant age is simply a selection factor -- we all know of homins who have fallen by the wayside.

(Bittty was born sometime around 2530 and came to Silan in 2546 so he is somewhere around 45 JY old. His father was born some 20 JY prior, but has not been seen since the Second Swarming, but he had retired to Dyron many years before that. Bittty is beginning to feel the years, but can still beat down kitins. It takes him longer to catch his breath, though. He is also risk-averse, as any adult with experience tends to be.)

I'm still in favor of the "Budapest" solution, but wouldn't mind an "official" history merger for homins who have just arrived in the New Lands.