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Well this is an rp game, so all factions are rp.  Anyway, unlike Trytonist, Mara is an implemeted faction.  You posited the idea of finding a Zinuakeen there, not me.  Marauder were left behind in the old lands. Almati is in the old lands.  If Mara found their own way to new lands and built their Zinuakeen there; the idea that mara found Almati as a seperate, and possibly earlier, discovery from other homins is not unreasonable.  No one is asking for a Zinuakeen in almati wood; that would be unfair.  What Virg, and the rest of us, are asking for, is a rp way of getting there to be validated into the Lore.  But until then give us an OOC way that does not involve going to Temples!

Lacuna, when I proposed a zinuakeen, then in the same way as there is a Kara/Kami altar (only it should prolly be in the corner so that the Maras haven't to run less than K/K ;)). Those altars are no normal TP, you cannot buy a ticket.

Sure, marauders from the ancient lands might have discovered Almati - Dante's camp is only 20km or so east of it ;). Yet, in the Lore as well as in all of recorded homin history ((the times since Ryzom has been played)) no appearance of marauders has been observed, and it would be ludicrous to rewrite history only for a marauder teleport.

Mind that during the temple wars, kitin presence was exceptionally strong in Almati, so that K/K were forced to cooperate instead of clashing like in Aelius or Olkern. As the marauders in the ancient lands had and most probably still have to avoid large packs of kitins, it is unlikely that they rushed to that particular region.

And as the first appearance of marauders in the new lands (the stranglers) was after the temple wars and the creation of the Almati base of the rangers, it would be illogical that marauders, even if they had ever been in Almati, could have established a transport from there to the new territories, much less to Hidden Source, where they established themselves relatively late.

I think that a marauder access to Almati would still have to be established, possibly in agreement with the rangers being in control of the center of the territory (there is no reason for them to disagree, btw.). But that should be done in RP fashion. Maybe marauders might "discover" secret installations stemming from the clans in the ancient lands or so .. I leave that to you.

an rp event to "create" a mara tp in almati (easy)

using the system as it is currently (temples to reach almati)
the marauders that want to take part in the event would dig / loot any grade (basic, fine, choice, excl, sup) of a list of given mats (wood, amber, fiber, resin, ligaments, tails, skins, leathers) they would then take their full bag of said mats to almati, find the "hidden" marauder NPC to turn them into. this npc would pay 25 dappers PER MAT (flat rate regardless of Q or grade) to anyone with marauder fame that supplies them with the needed mats. When / if someone that doesn't have marauder fame wanted to help, they would get a reduced dapper payout of 15 dappers per mat (anyone with a single fame that's above -43)
no limit on how many a player can turn in

requirements for this event to complete would be huge (250,000 of each mat) this would give the dev's time to work on this issue while showing everyone they're working on it. anyone that says "mara shouldn't pay the non-mara" here's my answer: when you can get extra help for a reduced rate, they call that "outsourcing" and that just helps your case in 2 ways, it's RP but still will "use" the help of the other civs / religions and cost's the "marauders" less to pay for the work. (mara would pay anyone with fame higher then -43 less because the mara think they are less worthy)

just my two dappers about creating an RP event to "create" a mara tp in almati.

i understand ryzom is an mmorpg, and that the "rpg" part is importaint, but lest face it, if new content is always being held up by "lore verification" we're never going to get anything new. new content can be created and added to the game WITHOUT lore verification, it won't brake ryzom to do it, and the "lore" can be player wrote stories about the "new content" (if ryzom is a game where the players RP can shape and change the game {living up to the promises of the official site about RP}) then there should be NOTHING stopping new content. [Edited. You must act as a polite and civilized individual, and be respectful with WinchGate staff.]

since the merger and the 3 histories, lore is much looser because we can create something and write the "lore" for that, we can tag it with "river of time" to explain that perhaps no homin on "that version" of atys is on "this version" of atys to properly explain it. as far as the lore goes, i get a little upset that everything must revolve around it, i'd like to see a poll on how many people really read the lore at all. (i've still not read any, nor the ryzom bible {and i have a copy} yet i wrote the upper branches stories, and some rp players asked me if i read the bible or some of the lore before writing it. i did not)

lore is fine, but don't use it as a reason to not do something, lore can be wrote about something after, and it will give a better perspective, just because something's happening now, doesn't mean that a reason can't be "found" based on something from the past, the upper branches isn't likely to be made because it's a huge project, but the story can be part of a "4th atys" that was merged in the "river of time". once the door to time travel, parallel universes, and the like, a paradox is destine to happen, and the "river of time" reason given for the 3 different histories that is "official lore" has opened Pandora's Box on using "lore" as any reason not to add things quickly, because it can all be explained via the merger of different parallel universes coming together. we are a sci-fi (science fiction) game, let's use that fact for the better of the game.

i've said my 2 dappers worth, bottom line, the NH ooc tp was removed, mara can use 3 of the 4 temples to go there, and RP was the given reason, which i'm sorry to say, does not provide an "rp" solution (the kami and karavan should hate the mara, after all being mara requires -43 religious fame)

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Non, je ne vois pas que c'est logique. La kitiniere etait decouvree par les rangers, pas par les marauds.

Daomei, I am by training an ethnohistorian, and I can assure that History, like Lore, is fluid, changing, and dynamic.  Our understanding of the past is always in flux.   Just because marauders were not observed does not mean that means they were not there.  For example, it use to be taken as a concrete fact that Columbus was the first Eurpean to cross the Atlantic.

Nerwane: I would hate when the kitin lair would be stolen from the rangers (I was already deeply frustrated from the hijacking of the rangers event of kitin mounds by conflict happy factions and their ET cronies - I was about to leave the game then, and please, not again). Indeed, rangers not only are guarding the entrance, but are as well patrolling in several parts of the lair, and some of them have the ability to remain undetected and unharrassed by the kitins. So it is doubtful that they have not researched as much as possible of the lair - without finding marauders, there.

In short, I consider marauders showing up in the lair a damn bad idea.

http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/23805/1# 1

Non, Nerwane, c'est un malentendu. Ce n'etait pas toi, cela. Et je ne t'accuse. Mais je pense que planter les marauds dans la kitiniere serait un vol de territoire des rangers, et pas une bonne idee.

almati woods and the KL might be ranger domain, but rangers do not hate ANYONE on atys, even marauders, rangers protect all homin from the kitin attackers. marauders likewise don't like kitin because of their extended stays in the roots while everyone else fled.

thus the only thing the marauder and rangers have in common is dislike of kitin.

almati and the KL should not be restricted from ANYONE in game, we need to be fair about this, and while the rangers maintain the lair and almati, there's no reason to reject the marauders.

please let's be realistic about this, telling someone they can't enjoy some of the game content because of their alignment/civ/religion/organization is very childish and we're adults, let's try to act like adults.

everyone has the rite to have access to the KL and Almati.
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A little mention here.

Rangers on Atys are more or less like the Night's Watch in Game of Thrones. The factions are like the noble families in Westeros (and Marauders are included in factions there). The Marauders and the Rangers agree that Kitins are a common enemy of them. The Marauders have their own way of porting on Atys without the help of Karavan and Kamis. The Kamis and the Karavan, in my opinion, should kill them on sight when they see them get close to a temple, not offer them to teleport to Almati. Therefore, if the Marauders are to participate into rangers activities, they should be able to. But they should have a different access to the area. RP wise, it's sensible and logical. If there needs to be an event for it to happen because the lore doesn't say it has happened before, then so be it.

To say that Marauders shouldn't have an access of their own because they should be able to sneak up and do it otherwise and bla bla bla... forget it. The marauder faction should have access to more or less the same tools than the other factions to make their game interesting.

The core of my thoughts on the subject have been expressed already, however I will confess that I am very surprised by the objections I see written here. Most people get the main points -which are that Marauders may have fames opposed to Rangers, but that they aren't actually natural enemies, and that marauders should have access to the same tools as other players without needing to actually go OCC to access those tools.

Hello,

It seems necessary to remind the community of the basic rules about using Ryzom channels. Everyone must act as a polite and civilized individuals, and be respectful with WinchGate staff. Foul language and xenophobic talk are also prohibited. 

The forum is a place to exchange thoughts and of debate, in a good atmosphere for discussions. Animosity and agressive behavior against Ryzom staff is not something that is tolerated. Marauder players have the chance to have a volunteer who is dedicated and responsible for Marauders, and who spends all of his free time to work for them. He has explained during an OOC meeting, what he and some Ryzom teams are working on together for Marauders, and nearly everything that has been requested on the forums by players, is exactly what he stated was in progress with the team at in his OOC meeting. Such disrespectful comments from a part of the community are just unfair and demotivating for all the staff and are unacceptable.

I have also moderated several xenophobic posts. Such a behaviour is also unacceptable in a Ryzom channel.

I invite some of you to read again the Code of Conduct of Ryzom Services and to respect it. Please consider this as a general warning to the community. For those who continue to disregard these rules, the next time it will be more than a warning.

Phew.. Take a break for 4 days and my post blows up x)

Firstly can we please (as some said) keep on topic. This post is literally only aimed at getting a marauder out of context teleport- and getting it within the next week! Not waiting another year for a promised in context teleport.

Secondly tixi- my post did not deserve editing whatsoever and I believe editing my words simply because they point out the higher powers' poor organisation and slow progress is an abuse of your powers. The truth hurts but that is something that isn't my fault- it is the fault of the higher powers for killing my marauder IG RP experience by forcing me to go to kami temples for teleports.
Perhaps I should change my last name to snowden because you are treating me like a whistleblower and trying to hush my words..

You can argue whatever you want over whether marauders should or shouldn't have an Almati teleport but here are the facts:

1. We were told 1 year ago we would have one.
2. OOC: Kitin lair is a crucial game area and we should have a tp there
3. IC: a marauder asking a kami fuzzball (when we have -100 kami fame) to be teleported is simply unacceptable
4. It took me less than 5 minutes to make an ARK script for an OOC teleport. It would not take long at all to edit and implement this into the game.

A year long wait for something that can be temporarily fixed in 5 minutes is just wrong, not matter how you spin it. Hopefully these words won't get edited as well for speaking ill of the higher powers..

Virgy