IDÉES POUR RYZOM

Many of the alts and guilds (and their GHs) exist solely for storage because we don't have enough space. And being in a guild with ~150 people makes it worse as we have a lot more need for space than a 20-toon guild.

Space is a *SERIOUS* issue, and the constant logging and shuffling, and creating alts just to have storage not only inconveniences the players, but probably isn't exactly kind to the servers either.

We already have ideas for pricing, and I think this is one of those things that is a high enough priority that we should build a time machine to fix it years ago. Sure, I'd like more rites and more content, but I think solving the space issue (and the resulting population boom in alts and alt guilds/GHs) should come first.

150 people.. and how many are inactive?

150!!!
Where are they all when we have kami/kara battles??

Must be busy getting stuff out of their numerous alt GHs!

The point is Gidget you clearly don't have 150 active players. I would say at a guess below 20 active members. Being in a large guild I can understand space is a constraint- and I believe it should be a constraint.

If you want more space alt guild halls aren't too much of a bother to use. I do not see space as an issue that requires fixing, let alone something that should take priority over new content. On top of that if they did make more space available you can guarantee people will just max that space out very quickly and be asking for more space saying that there once again isn't enough space for all their hoarding.

Well, I'm usually at work for those (I have odd hours), and we have quite a few in other time zones. I rarely see more than about 20 on at one time. And, of course, different people at different times. But even if we assume only 50 active, that's still a lot of mats/equipment that needs storing; more than a guild of 15-20 would need.

First, I'd say it's at least double that, though you're correct that probably about half are inactive. And yes, there is a lot of shuffling. Sometimes a frustrating amount of logging as a result.

As for your second point, they're a bit more of a hassle for those that only have one subbed account, but I take your point about just asking for more space. As you may have guessed, it's a chronic enough issue to really get under my skin. Maybe I was a little strong, but it also seems like something that would be quick and (relatively) easy to fix, and I'm the type of person who likes getting the quick-and-easy done ASAP just to reduce the number of things I have to deal with.

One reason I don't want to see this is it will only lead to more hoarding. I don't want to create a 1 %'ers class on Ryzom :)

When servers were closing pre-merge I watched and chuckled while several players ground off thousands of sups that had been stored in mutliple GHs. What was the point of keeping them there all those years ? I knew one player, who if to be believed, stated that he had over 25,000 sup mats.... in a one man guild.

What is the purpose of hoarding that much material ? To be prepared for a Guild influx of 50 nekid masters who need a complete kit ? To keep them away from others ?

Yes, mule'ing stuff from one toon to another is a PITA....it's suppossed to be.

+1 Freddy

hoarding is a problem this could lead to, but it's already a problem, the idea is for it to be a dapper sink, if they want to pay for the "upgrades" let them waste the dappers to do it, as always, it's OPTIONAL content, it would be very easy to fix, and i personally would like to have it so that once there are stores of mats, it's less of an issue when someone needs to use them, as things are now in order to keep a fair number of mats in storage you have to limit what's kept and what's not, this thread however is for APARTMENTS, and that's so that i can store grind mat's to craft off later, since storage of 128 stacks of mat's on the merchants means that every 5 days i need to do the shuffle to not loose them, i'd like to buy the space to just store those in my apartment, where's the crime in that, how does me storing 128,000ish basic/fine mat's hurt anyone? and as for people that hoard sup mat's, if they want to put in the effort to have stockpiles let them, who know's maybe if they could see them all in one place they wouldn't hoard so much, but since they might have a stack of one mat in 15 gh's or apt's they'll never know they have 15,000 of a single mat, which only leads to more hoarding in more gh's.

i know this is something i'm wasting breath on because there's so much more hard things to fix that are more importaint to do, but this has been asked for for 7 years, and would not take 7 days to fix, but better we can complain about it all the time, so we don't complain about other stuff more serious.... wait we still do that too, lolx.

so many excusess for something that would be easy to do and could not hurt anyone if it was done.
i honestly think if it was done there would be less load on the server in the end, no need to alt shuffle, no need to log and then switch to another toon on the same account over and over with a f2p alt standing by to do the hand-off, and much less likely for someone to have 20,000 of the same mat but not know because they're in 20 different gh's

anyway nice to see this still getting attention as always, but this one's for apartments, which is personal storage for players. it would be nice if i could use my apartment as my personal crafting bench and spend weeks filling it with 100,000 mat's to craft with, or even 500,000 mat's to craft with, but that's a dream i'll never get, so i just have to be happy with my personal gh if i want to, and that's only 40,000 mat's MAX vs 4,000 in my apt.

anyway sorry to ramble, at least i've not changed any, lolx

take care my friends

I guess I'm tainted by having the role of dumping all the trash outta GH. Really don't need 245 bits of fine what nots .... that 6 HP LA set that's missing boots and sleeves .... or "grind anything". If ya can fit 2 of every weapon, 2 LA, MA, HA, 4 sets of jools..... , all the NPC armor sets, enough great mats to craft 2 or 3 of everything what else ya need to store ?

I also trying to figure just what ya wanna store..... I never use merchant storage ..... when grinding a craft, I fill me bag, fill me packer, visit a hawker and craft / sell till we empty. Rinse and repeat ....I also kept a set of Haddo jools and a other items for sentimental value.

Not a fan of dapper sinks.... gets too boring running the same missions over and over and over again as they the ones w/ most money. The less profitable ofc get ignored which diminishes the gameplay also.

i've been a homin that sells out the junk in a gh as well, though i don't choose what goes and stays much (but i'm sure i could). i do like the idea of having the ability to hold in reserve in the GH the mat's needed to craft everyone in the guild full set's of everything they could want at one time (though that's not likely to ever be needed, i will admit) as for my apartment, i'd like to store enough mat's (500k) to do massive grinds crafting, at least till all the mat's are items which i will then spend hours running in and out so i can sell them to the merchants for meger amounts. I'm a jewel crafter, and sure they only require 2 types of mats, but the limited numbers i can store mean that i can't dig like crazy for a week or two non-stop, then craft in the same fassion, rather i have to do it a day or two of one skill, then a few hours of the other.

since i'm a jewel crafter, there are NO good paying missions to start with (oversight of the dev's) but i make dappers none the less, doing other missions that i can, and i can vary those to keep them at least remotely interesting. there's so little to spend dappers on, so at some point wealth becomes pointless, so a dapper sink is not a bad thing in the end. i too like to save things that are special to me, but with the limits on storage we have, and the fact that i like to use my apt to do grind crafting, that means my packers hold all my good stuff, thus limiting what i can save for personal reasons and what i have for pratical use.

i can agree that gh's don't need to be limitless on bulk and slots, but it would be nice to see them hold a much larger amount then they do right now, by a factor of 10 would be good i think, by 100 would mean that would be the end of my wish for more space for a GH.

but unlike a GH i would like the possibility to have a limitless upgrade path for my apartment, i gave pricing ideas, and amounts per buys. i really don't see how the limit on a apt would change much if anything gameplay wise, other then i could spend a few weeks collecting mats and then do a massive craft grind that would gain me 50 levels or more in a single craft, and with enought bulk and slots, i could perhaps dig enough mat's to go from 51 to 250 in one massive craft grind, which would be nice, though i doubt i could stand to dig non-stop that long.

anyway, for a apt the possibility of near limitless storage isn't game braking (and anyone that says that's not real like, it is a game for one, and for two, when someone needs more storage, they buy it one way or another.

sorry it's a novel again, but i really like my idea and defend it. (apartments on this thread, guild halls has it's own thread)

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look at all the support i've gotten on my poll, that should say something about this idea.

Ryzom is full of hoarders. Bulk upgrades in apartments would encourage and facilitate this even more and I for one do not want to make it easier for these people.

Hoarders gain their mats in many different ways- camping is one of these ways. Every second a haorder has to spend switching accounts to store away mats is a second they (hopefully) won't be camping.

I mean, I get what your saying about crafting Talk, but would it really be any different for you to dig less mats, craft, dig again, craft? You might want this upgrade for ease of crafting but some others will just exploit its ease to hoard - and I've just read through the previous posts by Fyrosfreddy and couldn't agree more!

In my opinion, there will never be enough space - the more people have the more they will want, Ryzom is brilliant at creating a balance with regards to many things and storage is something I believe to be balanced (and I'm talking from the perspective of having at least 2 - usually 3 packers free for launcher).

still want this. so they switch accounts, they're not wasting a single second, that's what they have army's for, lolx.

i want the OPTION, and a good dapper sink that has a permanent reward to show for the effort.

i refute your claims about hoarders, we'll have them either way, there is no excuse for this, it's always going to be, that's a fact.

I want to spend 3 months digging all the mat's i need for a massive craft grind, one that i can get 50 level's without leaving (other then to sell the full bag's of grind crafted items to the merchants).

i want to fill it with grind mat's, item's i have that i want to keep because of msg's friends wrote on it, more so for the one's that don't play anymore.

not only that but everything in ryzom will respawns, so it's not there's a finite amount of anything in atys.

i want my apt with 1,000,000 bulk please. then i won't need to keep filling f2p alt's and their mounts with keepsakes.

my thoughts to all the nay sayers, when i get what i want i'll stop, until then i'll keep bringing this back up to keep it alive and i'll keep defending it until the server goes down, there's no reason you can argue with me that this is unreasonable as an option.

and once again, look at the poll, over 70% want this upgrade, that's more then 2/3's of the ppl that voted.

i hear a call for bulk upgrades in personal storage systems again.... seams that idea is already here.... and a few other places as well, check the old forums for things like this...