IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Daomei, the conscept of the nation state, which we can trace back to the Enlightment has no bearing on Atys.  None of the four nations fit this description.  The concept of social security has no analogy with faction points.  Faction points are a reward, which has nothing to do with the idea social democratic social security.   Your Hobbesian notion of non settled peoples reflects the duality of savagery and civility that is at the heart of mara/civs conflict.  Even Tacitus gave the Germanic peoples a better press than you do the mara.  From the point of Daomei the toon all you say is correct, but not from Lacuna's.  Lacuna sees a nation.   We are not all apostates.  The civs left the mara behind.  Lacuna renounced her citizenship, and joined the mara.  She is part of that nation now.  The mara in the new lands are in contact with and recieve orders from the Old Lands, so to say we are not part of their expiditionry force is simply wrong.  Yes we are not nice from the players point of view, but just becuase we are not nice does no mean we are not a nation state.  Our social and political structure appears to be the negation of the civs.  Yes, we would destroy you.  But we are a nation, we are a coherent ordered political entity in our own right.  It is not nice and it is unpleasant to us as players, but this is rp.  How is the holy wars of of the kami/kara any different?  We fall short of being a nation in your definition becuase you hold to a idea of a modern nation state that really does not apply Atys at all.

Lacuna hates males. She is a toon. I don't want one in my life but I have no problem with them as long as they wash regularly and don't try to make me watch football :P

Ca veut dire que je peux continuer à mettre les doigts dans les yeux?

*sort une pancarte* ♥ Lacuna, présidente!♥

XD

Brah! Lets go get drinks at the bar! ;)

Lacuna: I fully agree that this man hating is RP (which french hating is not and cannot be). Me, Daomei, I am a fairly hedonistic and immoral person, taking my fun where I get it. My little sister, Diwu, being more earnest, romantic, and moral due to her personality and her fairly hard biography as a young child, often scolds me as a slut and a drunkard (well, she isn't completely wrong, but so what). So I am deriding and joking about extremist attitudes between the sexes, I think those who employ them, no matter whether moralistic or man hating, are missing joy. Just my opinion :).

If it is a Sports Bar, I may decide lacuna is right :P

Btw.: if we start to blame each other, men, french, kamis, karas, marauders, whatever ..
I strongly recommend this one:



Hope it helps

Can we please make a new thread for Ranger Tears and let this one stay as it was intended? For maraduers? Yes I agree Ranger needs to be fixed too but that should have nothing to do with the discussion of Marauders being fixed. We can see we have views that differ but in the end we all want everything fixed. This is the Marauders Tears thread, only evil tears allowed here friends!

Bones: There are no rangers' tears. We are not complaining (though we had more reason for than the marauders, as our faction got ways more brazenly sabotaged than the marauders' ever has been). I just made a comparison. I would not "crie" nor even complain if the marauder tp access to Almati, which I support, would be installed prior to a comparable rangers' access.

I was just having fun...When we discuss or are opposed often people lable it as tears. I wanted to say it first though :) I do agree that Ranger should have direct access to many other spaces. Things were just done half assed to please us. I did say though that I agree Rangers should own Almati.
I was just adding to the fun because even someone as evil as me enjoys a good laugh too :P

Ideas for the exit missions for marauders:
0: Renouncing maraudership should end up in death with DP. Everything else would be ridiculous.
1: Checking out at Zinuakeen. The former marauder has to access every zinuakeen to renounce her/his checkin.
2. Recompense the guards murdered previously. This may become tricky. Access every of the 4 guards (right click) to obtain a recompensation mission. Mind that invul/MPA may be necessary for. The guard will ask you to harvest (or gain) some excellent mat of the region, some of every season/daytime. This is just an idea, as this may be too easy if others harvest or provide the mat. It may be mission mat to avoid that, but then, the level of the former marauder has to be taken in account: a level 100 digging marauder cannot be compelled to dig q200 mission mat. So pls think about and make proposals.
3. Other recompensations. Open to proposals.

Baseline is that it should be hard, but interesting and challenging. It might be a blueprint for revocation of K/K and nation negative fames as well.

Exit mission for a marauder would be ok, yes if difficult. I myself wouldn't have a problem just doing fame missions the current way to fix myself if I did ever want to go back but my intentions are to stay Marauder.
I would have stuck with Ranger if the implementation would have been better. The missions finding the pathways was great.
I know longer hold any values or ideals from Karavan or Kami so I could never go back to either of them. I have worked fame to max and back down and back up many times, it gave me something to do. I think most left because they got tired of the waiting and not the wanting to go back part being too hard. I can't speak for everyone of course but this is the feeling that I personally saw. It would be great to hear from those players on their thoughts if they still browse these forums.

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Just as a remark and response to Lacuna: I do not consider our Atys nations modern nation states. The empire resembles to some extent antique Greek/Roman statehood (without slavery as the base), the kingdom Italian renaissance kingdoms, the federation Swiss republic, and the theocracy .. well, pick any theocracy, substracting its inherent barbary. All those comparisons, of course, are ideal typical in the sense of Max Weber. The marauders of the ancient lands may resemble the Golden Horde or the mongols of the 13th century, to some extent, yet their program of world dominance and extermination of any dissent reminds me to something worse no "savages" ever had. So let us bury half-bred analogies.

In fact, the four nations are able to coexist, so are the two cults, despite their quarrels. The clans of the marauders do not seem to be able to more than a state of frozen war with the rest of hominity so far. OOC spoken, we may agree that the marauders will never gain their endsieg which would end the world of Atys we know ;). Yet I even fail to see a base for their recognition as a nation.

They may be a faction, "superior" to rangers and Trytonists under some respect, I have no problem with that. But I want more precise analyses what hinders the marauders to flourish and should be implemented, not just a list of complaints and wishes.