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#27 [en] 

Lilz (atys)
Dear gentle and not so gentle homins of Atys, i am posting here tonight to bring a few things that i have noticed lately on my return to the game.
Starting off many of you know that i have been on the game for 7 of the 10 years of Ryzom being a game, and all of those years F2P, I have enjoyed my years on the game, I have been Kami and Karavan both for several years, and over those years we made a lot of great memories and friends, however, times have changed, And what i have seen on my weeks back to the game quite frankly hurt me deeply.

The desire for power and greed is overwhelming not only on the Kami side, but also on the Karavan side, A lot of players have lost the Homin to Homin respect that we all had for one another REGARDLESS of faction, I am truly disgusted when i see players say they will not train with another player simply because of the guild he/she is in, it is one thing if that player is not liked or is a troll, but it truly saddens me when i see homins denying other homins the fun and pleasure of leveling, i do believe in Kara/Kami leveling together to grow stronger for PvP and OP battles, Especially since Kara is struggling right now, AS FOR the OP situation, do bear in mind that who is on top this month is like high and low tide everyday the shift of power shifts like it always has and always will so stop whining if your side is struggling, gather new players, or newly subbed F2P players boost levels and make masters out of them like we are all destined to be and fight for what you want.

As for any players that have disrespected me for going Kami/Asylum shame on you that just reflects poorly on your character as a person in real life, i do find it a damn shame that players take faction swaps/changes so dearly to heart and ruin friendships/mutual respects, For the record i am a Homin Marauder, and Kami Guilded, I respect all Homins of Atys and only ever start something with another if i am started with first, i will train and fight with any/all role play and just simply have fun on the game with all like we are suppose to do but i am finding it harder and harder to do when so many hold personal grudges on a guild and simply judge all their players just because they dont like that guild.

We all need to come together and bond Atys like it previously was, and make the community happy and proud to play the game again because we all know there is a lot of hurt going around. Thank you for taking the time to read my 2;36am rant, i do wish to spend many many more years on the game enjoying leveling myself up and a lot of you up making powerful and great toons out of you.

Rules have changed, you are the faction you choose to be, if you want to be friend with everybody become neutral.

This is my advice to you, take it or ignore it, I dont care, but dont complain about people ruining your game play.

Cheers,

Exodus

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#28 [en] 

Exodus --

Did you miss the part that I was talking about the time before the merger when I was both a Tryker nationalist and a dutiful Karavan? What I presented was my roleplay credo during the time when I was active in OP battles, and active in debating religious matters in roleplay with devout Kamis.

You have not shown me anywhere in the Lore that commands followers of the Kami (or Karavan) not to associate, trade with or join with the opposing side in common enterprises (such as fighting kitins or Marauders). I presume that command is in the rules of the Alliance, but it is not in Lore. You are free to play by those rules. I will not, and apparently there are a number of Kami who also will not.

As far as I'm concerned if roleplay does not follow the Lore, then the roleplay may as well take place in some other game where opposing sides cannot lure player toons to change their flag, or even talk to each other. That's how I see it. If it is not based in Lore, then what is the roleplay based in? In your case it seems to be based in the rules of the Kami Alliance. You are free to make and follow those rules, but I am free to disagree with them.

You are correct that I do not need to justify my current position based on the Kara/Kami lore, but I do have to justify it based on what small lore we have concerning the Rangers.

Yes, you can be upset - I do not deny you that right. However, you seem to be telling me that I *cannot* be upset, just because I am (currently) neutral? I don't think so. The current status quo affects me as a neutral, and not in a good way.

As for forums -- most of my roleplay in forums consists of reporting on events that actually happened on the server (for the benefit of those who could not be present) or presenting invitations (framed in roleplay terms) for others to join me ingame for roleplay. (I will admit to some number of simple journal entries that I wrote in the hope of illustrating the methods of aligning a players mind towards roleplay.)

You say that I cannot be affected by other people's roleplay because I post things in the forums? I challenge that assertion. Each time people play with me, and each time they do not, I am affected. (An obvious example might be the hunting of the aggressive white kitins and the scouting of the behavior of them as homins have tried to close the kitin Mounds.) That this roleplay does not involve battles against other homins does not make it more or less roleplay.

Sir, I debate you. I do not call you names. I do not intend to insult you. I merely present my point of view in response to your statements.

-- Bittty

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#29 [en] 

There's a time for RP and there's a time for just playing with people you like to play with, people should be adult enough to know the difference. No one can force their idea of RP down others throats. Or have the right to ruin others gameplay because they don't play ball.

I'm currently leveling a new toon as kami, I have a RL friend who plays Karavan. No one has the right to say I can't play with them or whomever. But I will still do some OPs as Kami and defend kami, because it's fun and it's content in a content starved game I want to play. And if people playing as friends irrespective of faction insults someones RP sensibilities then frankly they need to get over themselves.

#30 [en] 

Taidi (atys)
And if people playing as friends irrespective of faction insults someones RP sensibilities then frankly they need to get over themselves.

Taidi, Get over yourself.

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#31 [en] 

Bitttymacod (atys)
Exodus --

Did you miss the part that I was talking about the time before the merger when I was both a Tryker nationalist and a dutiful Karavan? What I presented was my roleplay credo during the time when I was active in OP battles, and active in debating religious matters in roleplay with devout Kamis.

You have not shown me anywhere in the Lore that commands followers of the Kami (or Karavan) not to associate, trade with or join with the opposing side in common enterprises (such as fighting kitins or Marauders). I presume that command is in the rules of the Alliance, but it is not in Lore. You are free to play by those rules. I will not, and apparently there are a number of Kami who also will not.

As far as I'm concerned if roleplay does not follow the Lore, then the roleplay may as well take place in some other game where opposing sides cannot lure player toons to change their flag, or even talk to each other. That's how I see it. If it is not based in Lore, then what is the roleplay based in? In your case it seems to be based in the rules of the Kami Alliance. You are free to make and follow those rules, but I am free to disagree with them.

You are correct that I do not need to justify my current position based on the Kara/Kami lore, but I do have to justify it based on what small lore we have concerning the Rangers.

Yes, you can be upset - I do not deny you that right. However, you seem to be telling me that I *cannot* be upset, just because I am (currently) neutral? I don't think so. The current status quo affects me as a neutral, and not in a good way.

As for forums -- most of my roleplay in forums consists of reporting on events that actually happened on the server (for the benefit of those who could not be present) or presenting invitations (framed in roleplay terms) for others to join me ingame for roleplay. (I will admit to some number of simple journal entries that I wrote in the hope of illustrating the methods of aligning a players mind towards roleplay.)

You say that I cannot be affected by other people's roleplay because I post things in the forums? I challenge that assertion. Each time people play with me, and each time they do not, I am affected. (An obvious example might be the hunting of the aggressive white kitins and the scouting of the behavior of them as homins have tried to close the kitin Mounds.) That this roleplay does not involve battles against other homins does not make it more or less roleplay.

Sir, I debate you. I do not call you names. I do not intend to insult you. I merely present my point of view in response to your statements.

-- Bittty

I have nothing against you, but hey, if you reply to Maxxye with stuff from the Lore and your own personal point of view, I simply had to remind you the way we see the whole situation, eye for eye etc

I felt you were sarcastic, when clearly there no point in doing that.

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When Bittty was young he read the scriptures of both the Karavan and the Kamis. He read the Ten Commandments of Jena and the 8 revelations of Ma-Duk and the commentary thereon by Disciples and Sages. ((OOC: See information on http://bmsite.net and http://en.ryzomnomnom..com/wiki/Kami and http://en.ryzomnomnom..com/wiki/Karavan. Translations exist in other languages as well.)) He became a Karvan when young because his "father" was a Kami and Bittty blamed his father for leaving him in the refugee village to come to the new lands. Since the Second Swarming and the apparent inability of either the Kami or the Karavan to stop it, he has ceased to be associated with either the Kami or the Karavan as a church and has since then studied to become a Ranger.
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Oh and one more thing, you *were* a karavan on Aris, you are neutral on *Atys*. Big difference, what was on Aris, stays on Aris. Plain and simple. Try to see the current situation and then "tell us the good news"

Also, kamist are doing RP ( most of them) why don't you preach to them about the Lore, when they used to kill kamis that were going with karas at season change as part of their "consolidating the alliance".

Kami Alliance is 80% of the population, majority wins, we had to adapt.

I'm suppose to fight against someone who uses all the dirty tricks and then besides the 80% of population I got more than 50% of karvans playing with kamis AND some neutral telling me how to play the game (yes, you are telling us how to play, cause you jumped in this discussion explaining us how you feel is right)

LOL, luckily for me, I dont care about this anymore, no really, I dont, for all I care the karavan can burn, but I wish you could see where your position is in all this and maybe you'll stop making it worse.

P.S. stop bringing the Lore when 80% of the people dont follow it, again, i dont understand why you preach to us, when the current situation starts from the top (where the power is).

Whatever..

Exodus

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#32 [en] 

Anyway, I wont post on this thread anymore, it is pointless, Bitty, I wish you the best and sorry for the rant, I just got a bit upset you debate us, when we are clearly not the enemy here, we just want more balanced power in the game..

If you wish to talk to me about this "sensible subject" you can mail me, of course you can reply to my reply in this thread, but I wont reply back.

Exodus

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#33 [en] 

Exodus (atys)

. . . . for all I care the karavan can burn, . . .

+1

Lets burn the forest and all the matis we can find!!

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#34 [en] 

I think the problem is, is people like you exodus who dont know enough about the game, its roots, or even the lore, because you cant even take an hour to read bits of it to fully understand ryzom, however you find the time to try and rip a well known and respected player like bitty for his knowledge of the game, if i ever see you ill put your childish self in check young boy.


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#35 [en] 

Lilz (atys)
I think the problem is, is people like you exodus who dont know enough about the game, its roots, or even the lore, because you cant even take an hour to read bits of it to fully understand ryzom, however you find the time to try and rip a well known and respected player like bitty for his knowledge of the game, if i ever see you ill put your childish self in check young boy.

Um... Lilz, I think that was over the top and unnecessary.

Exodus and I do not agree on things but we had managed to avoid personal attacks while forcefully advancing our points of view. I plan to make a short reply to him, and then possibly engage him in personal correspondence.

-- Bittty

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(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#36 [en] 

Exodus (atys)
I felt you were sarcastic, when clearly there no point in doing that.

No sarcasm was intended. The links to the Lore were there to allow him easy access in case he wanted to debate scripture. In any case, I have explained my position to him in private. We were actually closer than we initially thought.
Exodus (atys)
Oh and one more thing, you *were* a karavan on Aris, you are neutral on *Atys*. Big difference, what was on Aris, stays on Aris. Plain and simple. Try to see the current situation and then "tell us the good news"

I fail to see the relevance. I do not base my roleplay on the environment, except for the environment of the game (hence my emphasis on the Lore). I'm pretty sure I've been on or close to the "losing side" throughout my history in this game. (Neutral being a "losing side" to the extent that we don't have OPs.)
Exodus (atys)
Kami Alliance is 80% of the population, majority wins, we had to adapt.

I'm suppose to fight against someone who uses all the dirty tricks and then besides the 80% of population I got more than 50% of karvans playing with kamis AND some neutral telling me how to play the game (yes, you are telling us how to play, cause you jumped in this discussion explaining us how you feel is right)

Exodus... disagreement does not equal an attempt at coercion. I am not (and never was) telling you how to play the game. However, I seem to have been under a misapprehension. I thought you were Kami/Kami Alliance. I apologize.

If the Kami Alliance is 80% of the population the game is better off than I thought in terms of subscribing players. I'm sure that I know well over 100 people who are not part of the Kami Alliance.

At any rate. I've tried to make sure that my responses do not need to even tempt you to reply. I will read all your posts again and see if there is anything I wish to talk to you about. If there is, I will write you a letter.

-- Bittty

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Remembering Tyneetryk
Phaedreas Tears - 15 years old and first(*) of true neutral guilds in Atys.
(*) This statement is contested, but we are certainly the longest lasting.
<clowns | me & you | jokers>

#37 [en] 

Lilz (atys)
I think the problem is, is people like you exodus who dont know enough  about the game, its roots, or even the lore, because you cant even take an hour to read bits of it to fully understand ryzom, however you find the time to try and rip a well known and respected player like bitty for his knowledge of the game, if i ever see you ill put your childish self in check young boy.

make sure you tag up when you see me in marauder camp :-))

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#38 [en] 

Sure thing

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#39 [en] 

wow. to the whole thread, each and every post.

i'm a kami. i'm neutral civ. i just play to have fun, plain and simple. i love ryzom. i try to be friendly to everyone. that's my role-play. when those hardcore RP people go on and on about the other guy, i think about what that means to me... nothing. at an OP i fight with the kami, if at a SN (almost never) i'll fight on the kami side. that's the DESIGNED structure of those things, the rest of the gameplay, so everything that's not a SN or an OP war, i want to play with EVERYONE, try to get along with EVERYONE, hell i might learn something about the other side that i didn't know, meet people that i can call friend, that doesn't mean that when the programed structure of the game says i should play with my side i won't attack that same friend, i have a few kara friends that want my ass face down in the dirt as soon as an OP starts, and i want to do the same to them, as soon as the OP is over, win or loose, we get together and joke and laugh at the good time we had. that's what a game is all about, having fun, that's the only roots we all need to try to get back to, having fun playing a game.

no name calling, no fighting with anyone, just a point of view, mine, and no one, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON has to agree or like it, but it's me, that's how i play, it's where the fun is, in playing the game. if you roleplay, i can respect that, but please don't force it on me, and please don't dislike me because i don't RP like you, my rp is to get along with everyone outside programmed structure as the makers of the game set out.

sorry for my rant, but after reading all the posts i felt it was time to add my two dappers too.

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#40 [en] 

Hmmm... it didnt occur to me that I never mentioned the fact that I was only referring to the PvP part between kami and karas.. example: at season change they help each other instead of fighting.

I hope that clears the room for interpretation... I cant believe I never mentioned it, for me it was too obvious to put it.. but yeah... PvP only

Exodus

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#41 [en] 

Lilz (atys)
We all need to come together and bond Atys like it previously was, and make the community happy and proud to play the game again because we all know there is a lot of hurt going around.

Glad you seemingly found a way to reach you goal, although I somehow had a different understanding of the meaning of it then the one displayed right now. But pray continue ... I'm already off again to be happily ignored. =)

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