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#64 Added by Seto 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Loved
I would ask every single person on this post to stop discussion of things way off topic

this is about fremium

not cash shop
not pay to win

please, if you want to discuss these things move it to another topic
i would even ask the GMs to pick up all those repsonses and move them if they were able to

thank you for your kind cooperation

Same

This move to this set up will be good for ryzom.

#65 Added by Loved 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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EVE has been around since 2003, ryom is 12 years old, not far behind.
They are moving to fremium as well

Runescape is 2001
I don't know the date they went to allowing p2p to going back to f2p (there were problems with p2p having more bank slots and it was not easy to convert, now... they separate the two, so it's easy to convert)

Fremium is great, I have heard new players say they do not want to be "locked in" to paying. Sometimes you just need to take a few months off for either moving/rl reasons or just finances, work/school etc

Freedom to do this is excellent
As a bonus , sleepers will return just to log in
Friends will be reunited
The population will go up dramatically for a bit
People will be tempted to resub when they see each other again

WinWinWin

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#66 Added by Seto 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Loved
EVE has been around since 2003, ryom is 12 years old, not far behind.
They are moving to fremium as well

Runescape is 2001
I don't know the date they went to allowing p2p to going back to f2p (there were problems with p2p having more bank slots and it was not easy to convert, now... they separate the two, so it's easy to convert)

Fremium is great, I have heard new players say they do not want to be "locked in" to paying. Sometimes you just need to take a few months off for either moving/rl reasons or just finances, work/school etc

Freedom to do this is excellent
As a bonus , sleepers will return just to log in
Friends will be reunited
The population will go up dramatically for a bit
People will be tempted to resub when they see each other again

WinWinWin


Exactly my thinking to.

#67 Added by Nitrouss 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Seto

Um a pot that makes you do tripple what your normally do in ryzom would be insanity.

Most cash shop stuff is aimed at those with bloated bank accounts the last craprpg i played with a cash shops top 10 players on just my server spent a few 100 grand. If ryzom goes that rout it will ruin the game. Youll have cashers who spend 1000s who refuse to help out new players who are gaining 3 and 4 lvls to the new players 1 lvl. You wuld have the elites who have all gear that never wares out while non elites have normal gear. Right now you can pretty much get geared up for next to nothing or nothing. Players who give out some rpetty great gear to new players just hitting the main land for crafting digging etc and do it every single day. That ould all end with the cash shop.

Any type of cash shop in ryzom should be extremely limited limited to things like pets that are just that a pet that does nothing to boost stats can not carry any thing or in not other way effects game play. Maybe some custom looks for your armor etc. Any thing more would ruin this now 12 year old game and probably kill it off totally.

Read what I typed... Making blank statements and trying to argue with me doesn't get you nowhere sir.
Many people said the game would die when it went free to play and many raged, threaten to quit when all servers were merged because the game would "DIE".
Gear doesn't make you elite in this game, your knowledge of the root ball itself does.
Nothing is instant, to master any skill takes time 1 hour of extra xp is like having a out of team healer.
Mainstream games have all embraced the idea of micro payments, this allows them HIRE PAID STAFF to DEVELOP the game and constantly ADD NEW CONTENT... 12 years old and 80% of the new content has been website based fluff with links added in game.

Total free to play ends into Micro payment system, what is sold in that shop depends on the developers... But the idea has to be embraced.

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#68 Added by Loved 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Nitrouss
Total free to play ends into Micro payment system, what is sold in that shop depends on the developers... But the idea has to be embraced.

Nitrouss, the point of the post isn't about total free to play
Tamarea
- Paying for Premium option will permit more gameplay rights.
Moving to Premium option will offer more gameplay possibilities, such as double experience points, more storage capacity, higher allowed level of equipment...
Removing an account from the Premium option will allow the player to go on playing with this account. It will, however, be moved back to the Free to Play option.
 

Please leave it be with the cash shop, really.

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#69 Added by Nitrouss 8 years ago Report | QuoteMultilingual 

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Freemium = "Hey come back and log into your old account... Oh wait you can't use your maxed out skills,items and inventory unless you pay a subscription"

People don't want to pay a monthly sub fee, there are hundreds or games that are totally free to play on steam alone with no restrictions... Trying to compete against those by allowing former subscribed players to log into the game is a frugal effort to attract subscribers, people left the game for a reason which may have something to do with no challenging content being released since pre merger, many other free to play MMOs have taken parts of our community guild wars 2 being a great example.
The effort on behalf of the developers/volunteer staff to move the game forward is nice.

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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, you gain strength.
Through strength, you gain power.
Through power, you gain victory.
Through victory, your chains are broken.
Ma-Duk shall free you.

#70 Added by Azram 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Loved
EVE has been around since 2003, ryom is 12 years old, not far behind.
They are moving to fremium as well

Runescape is 2001
I don't know the date they went to allowing p2p to going back to f2p (there were problems with p2p having more bank slots and it was not easy to convert, now... they separate the two, so it's easy to convert)

Fremium is great, I have heard new players say they do not want to be "locked in" to paying. Sometimes you just need to take a few months off for either moving/rl reasons or just finances, work/school etc

Freedom to do this is excellent
As a bonus , sleepers will return just to log in
Friends will be reunited
The population will go up dramatically for a bit
People will be tempted to resub when they see each other again

WinWinWin
1) EVE do have micro-payment system.
2) EVE will implement alpha clone for f2p who will not be able to learn all techno but some tech can be learned to the maximum.
3) EVE have a real, strong and awesome IG market
4) You can buy Skin Injection in the market using ISK or PLEX/AUR
With there payment system they earn money and the game have dedicated and payed people to work on the game.


1) Ryzom don't have micro-payment system.
2) Ryzom do not allow to master any skill
3) Ryzom have an inexistent IG market :(
4) The only good point is we cannot sell skill to others.

No money = only volunteers to work on the game, they have life and limited time.


So it's great to talk about EVE but they already have system to make money with the game witch Ryzom don't have (yet ?)

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#71 Added by Loved 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I think people need to understand I'm saying it is a positive change, a step in the right direction, something good.

It's just a start

They'll have to make ryzom friendly to transition to p2p to f2p, runescape started off with a bad transition, you couldn't use any of your stuff or skills properly till later

The gaming community doesn't want to be locked in so much by payments anymore, ryzom is taking a good initiative in starting this

It doesn't mean this is the end

My point is eve is old, ryzom is old, the fremium concept will benefit both
How much benefit is going to be small at first, sure, but good is good

Be positive, if you don't believe in success success will not find you

edit: eve allows you to trade membership too, i would not mind this at all, i would love to buy membership for my friends

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#72 Added by Azram 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I think it's a good move to but compare Ryzom and EVE isn't relevant. Both are old OK but one is powered by volunteers from the community and the other is powered by a micro-payment system & full time payed job witch make a huge difference IMO.

#73 Added by Loved 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I'm not comparing the two games on much more than the model change that is coming up for BOTH games, just pointing out that the model is being used

Thanks

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#74 Added by Nitrouss 8 years ago Report | QuoteMultilingual 

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Azram
the other is powered by a micro-payment system & full time payed job witch make a huge difference

Agreed, there are other games like rift that offer both subscription and Ingame shop, they make most money from The micro payment system,
Even monthly subscriptions can be bought from the shop and traded to other players for I game currency.

While this move is a step in the right direction and we can debate the merits of the move, it would be helpful to see the financial budget for ryzom.
Hopefully someone higher up reads our feedback makes a executive decision to move the game to a modern system for generating funds and hiring staff to develop the game.
While it's fine to say ryzom is a dynamic world and a sandbox, it still needs expansions and new content to keep a thriving highly active community.

The bottom line is pretty simple recent servays of MMO players has shown that 70% to 80% of them don't want to pay a monthly subscription free. While others have shown that the same players spend nearly twice as much in a micro payment system.

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Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, you gain strength.
Through strength, you gain power.
Through power, you gain victory.
Through victory, your chains are broken.
Ma-Duk shall free you.

#75 Added by Fifi 8 years ago Report | Quote[es] 

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I play H&H and the devs said they could get more money with cosmetic microtransaction, but the graphic work envolve make it not worth it, in the end its all about ifs the devs/creatif are ready to put this sort of work.

#76 Added by Naema 8 years ago Report | Quote[es] 

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Question 1. What do you guys mean about a micro payment system, and how will it help Ryzom? Be specific please.

Question 2. Yeah, a f2p system sounds nice for players, but how is Ryzom paid for? How are Devs paid for to fix game, provide new content, events, not to mention add expansion packs, maybe new worlds, maybe new lands, new NCP maurauders and gear, all the new stuff mention in Ideas forum within Lore guidelines?

Money has to come from somewhere.

#77 Added by Bitttymacod 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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I suppose that I am really in the minority, then. I *prefer* a subscription based model.

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#78 Added by Seto 8 years ago Report | Quote[en] 

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Naema
Question 1. What do you guys mean about a micro payment system, and how will it help Ryzom? Be specific please.

Question 2. Yeah, a f2p system sounds nice for players, but how is Ryzom paid for? How are Devs paid for to fix game, provide new content, events, not to mention add expansion packs, maybe new worlds, maybe new lands, new NCP maurauders and gear, all the new stuff mention in Ideas forum within Lore guidelines?

Money has to come from somewhere.

micro payment aka cash shop is just what it sounds like. A way to pay for a game with out a monthly sub. Instead of paying 10 a month you pay a buck per item 5 per item pack or what have you. You buy in game items or money or special money for real world money. The problem is this these systems fast create a elite class of player. The casher the guy to dumps 500 1k 10k a month or a 100k a year on the game and gets all the fancy power player gear. He out paces every one else in game then others try to catch up and do the same etc. Makes the game tons of money. But at the same time the devs have to try and keep up with demand for new content. So they start making content that has nearly nothing to do with the game and then absolutely nothing to do with the game.

Do you ant to see hover bike mounts in game or how about angelic garments and wings ? The point is this. Cash shop + ryzom = a ryzom none of us would know. What makes ryzom ryzom would be burried under
a mountain of fluff and psudo content the community would be burried under eliist players who only care about one thing becoming more powerful than the other guy. Then it happens you see the forums fill up with posts about how all the ryzom team does is take your money and give nothing in return. Those same players will still dump 1000s all the while complaining constantly about the game. These fears are not unfounded. To see all of this just go to r2games.com and look at any of their dozen + games there take your pick but the biggest mess in all gaming history has to be wartune one i played just before coming here. Some players there have spent a feee hundred thousdand dolars just to be in the top 2 or 3 on their server.

Ask if you really thing this is the sort of thing ryzom needs and if you want to take the chance that that is what ryzom will become. I can tell you it is a huge risk and highly likely it will become exactly that....
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