English

(very long for me to translate, i have hours of delay ^^. In italic, good word in french. Normal is for bad translation !)

Je pense qu'il y a de très bonnes choses dans ce post. Mais Google trad a tendance à mettre de bonne humeur (" Icus related quarrels" devient "querelles liées unités de soins intensifs", celle-là je l'adore).

I think there are very good things in this post. But Google trad tends to put in a good mood ("Icus related quarrels" becomes "disputes related intensive care units", that one I love).

Je suis d'accord avec Daomei, il y a à discuter, en dehors du rp (donc ooc, c'est comme ça qu'on dit ?), pour aller au delà des problèmes de communication et surtout se sortir un peu de nos passés contradictoires.

I agree with Daomei, there are things to discuss, outside of rp ("ooc", that's how you say?), to go beyond communication's problems and especially go out our past contradictory.

C'est étrange d'entendre dire que les francophones dominent le rp. Quand on est parmi les francophones, on entend que les anglophones dominent. Je commence à me rendre compte qu'entre ceux qui sont partis et ceux qui ne parlent que dans d'autres langues, il y a en effet surtout les francophones et les germanophones (mais comme tout ce petit est aussi anglophone, ça équilibre).

It is strange to hear that French dominate the rp. When you are among french community, english speakers seem dominate. I began to realize that lot of people are left and lot of people speak in other languages​​. there are indeed mostly French and German (but as they all speak English, it is equilibrium).

C'est une vision tronqué des réalités de chaque côté que nous avons avec la fusion.

This is a truncated vision of the realities of each side, and we have that since the merger.

La situation rp d'aniro avant la fusion était un contexte global de paix. Les matis commençaient juste à revenir avec le couronnement de Stevano (avant ça, la forêt a eu un moment de grand vide) ; on dormait un peu chez les akenaks (le plus véhément de leur orateur siégait à la commision Tenant, sorte d'ONU) ; les trykers organisaient des fêtes et taquinaient l'aveugle (ça ne change pas trop). Enfin les zorais... ha il fallait suivre de près la politique de la jungle, mais sous des dehors policés, l'ambiance était explosive, entre les kamis modérés et les fanatiques, les maraudeur qui prenaient plaisir à les torturer, les neutres qui venait souffler le chaud et le froid ("comment ça j'ai aidé un zorai karavanier faisant des expériences sur la goo à trouver les trous de la constitution ? Bon, juste un peu").

The situation of Aniro rp before the merger was an overall context of peace. Matis just starting to get back with the crowning of Stevano (before that, the forest was great empty during a time ), we slept a little among akenaks (their most vehement speaker having seat in commission TENANT, like the ONU ), Tryker organized parties and teased official (it does not change too much). Finally Zoraïs ... if you are interested by the jungle, under the civilized outside, the atmosphere was explosive, between kami moderates and fanatics, the marauder who took pleasure in torturing, neutral newly blow hot and cold ("how does I helped a karavanier Zoraï doing experiments on the goo to find the holes in the constitution? Okay, just a little").

La commission tenant se réunissait régulièrement et entretenait la paix. Elle avait un représentant de chaque nation, plus un neutre de nation. Les maraudeurs se reconstruisaient doucement, après un scandale HRP au printemps (il a fallu du temps pour apaiser ça). Les aspirants rangers étaient déjà en bataille interne depuis un bout de temps pour savoir qui pouvait prétendre au titre mais c'est resté assez policé, là aussi.

The commission TENANT had meeting regularly and maintained peace. There are a representative of each nation, and a neutral (nation). Marauders slowly rebuilding after a scandal HRP (it took time to soothe it). Aspiring rangers had internal battle for a long time about who could claim the title but it remained fairly civilized, too.

En fait le plus gros conflit concernait kamistes et karavaniers ; quand il y avait 4 guildes impliqués, c'était un miracle (je met les op de côté, ça a toujours rassemblé plus de monde). Même chez les kamis et karavan, beaucoup de guildes étaient modérés, aidant les neutres voir même parfois, horreur, relevant l'ennemi. Cependant, entre les deux plus grosses guildes kami et kara, la guerre était permanente (et pas toujours rp, ça rageait pas mal en pvp sur les comportements de certains).

In fact the biggest dispute was between kami and karavan, but when there were four guilds involved, it was a miracle (I put the op aside, it's always together over the world). Even among the kami and Karavan, many guilds were moderate, helping neutral or sometimes (horror!), healthing their enemy. However, between the two largest kami and kara guilds war was permanent (and not always rp, it raged lot in pvp because of certain behaviors).

Les assemblées de nations servaient surtout à lancer des events. Même si les neutres n'avaient pas le droit de voter, leur voix était entendue (enfin, je ne suis jamais allée embêter les matis). Laofa était neutre, et plus exactement tenante gnost (pure hoministe convaincue). C'était aussi de notoriété publique qu'elle trainait parfois avec des maraudeurs et si pas une rumeur n'a filtré sur son rapport aux drogues et à la goo, je serais un peu vexée. Malgré ça on l'acceptait partout et bien souvent on la laissait trop parler :)

Suivant les moments les assemblées étaient à 3 personnes ou regroupaient une douzaine de gens. Parfois c'était calme, parfois animé.

The assembled nations were primarily used to launch events. Although neutral had no right to vote, their voice was heard (well, I've never been bothered Matis). Laofa was neutral, and more exactly "tenante gnoste" (pure hoministe convinced). Not a secret that she speak with marauders, she like drink, and rumors says she use drugs and experiment with goo. Despite this, she was accepted everywhere and often other let her talk too (and heard !) :)

According to moment, the meetings regrouped 3 or 12 people. Sometimes it was quiet, sometimes lively.

Nous avons eu un souci, durant un temps, avec des joueurs pvp qui attaquaient systematiquement les assemblées. Aucun accord n'ayant été trouvé entre ces deux façons de jouer, les rôlistes ont donc proclamé qu'il fallait venir aux assemblées "désarmés" (c'est à dire sans le tag, mais pour des raisons de cohérences c'était donc aussi arme au fourreau), le service d'ordre se chargeant des gêneurs. Le service d'ordre pnj a été boosté. Attaquer les assemblées n'avait plus beaucoup d'intérêt, il n'y avait plus que des pnj demi-dieux à combattre. Le calme est donc revenu.

We had a problem, for a time, with pvp players who attacked systematically meetings. No agreement has been found between these two ways to play, rp-gamers have therefore declared it had to come to meetings "disarmed" (ie without the tag, but for the sake of consistency so it was also weapon sheath), NPC taking care of troublemakers. The NPC order service has been boosted. After that, attacking assemblies did not have much interest, there was just fight against NPC demigods. The calm is returned.

Cela a aussi lancé des réflexions sur l'importance du tag, il y a eu beaucoup de discussion dessus. Le tag a été activé pour faire du rp, tandis que les pvpistes apprenaient à ne pas juste attaquer tout ce qui l'avait.

It also create discuss about the importance of tag, there has been much discussion over. The tag has been set to the rp, while pvpistes learned not to just attack everything that they see.

Voilà pour la minute historique ! Voici ce qu'était le rp sur Aniro : il est bon de ne pas l'oublier.

Maintenant avec la fusion, et bien...

So much for the historical moment! Here is what the rp on Aniro: it is good not to forget. And maybe Arispotle and Leanon can see other view, now.

Now with the merger, well ..

Déjà il faut dire qu'il y a eu une hécatombe chez les politiques modérés. Beaucoup de mort rp. Ces joueurs ont recréés des persos qui n'avaient pas de raisons de s'investir en politique, qui sont partis sur des rp "entre amis". Après la fusion, les joueurs d'Aniro qui sont restés en politiques étaient finalement les plus acharnés, ceux qui ont refusé d'abandonner. Pas forcément fanatiques mais pas du genre à se laisser faire ^^

Already i precise that there was a massacre in moderate policies. Many dead rp. These players have recreated the characters who had no reason to get involved in politics, who went on rp "friends." After the merger, the players who remained Aniro policies were ultimately more fierce, who refused to give up. Not necessarily fanatics but not the type to let it go ^^

Il faut aussi dire que la fusion a été un choc pour tout le monde. Certains ont bien pris la chose, mais ce n'est pas la majorité, tant parmi les rôlistes que les autres. La conséquence de ce choc, c'est qu'on a agit avec parfois de la tristesse, souvent de la colère. Moi la première, j'ai fait pas mal de "vraies" bêtises depuis la fusion, des trucs qui ne sont pas les bêtises d'un toon mais bien d'une joueuse.

It must also be said that the merger was a shock to everyone. Some took it well, but it is not the majority, both among rp-gamers than others. The consequence of this shock is that we are sometimes with sadness, and often anger. Me first, I did a lot of "real" nonsense since the merger, things that are not foolishness's toon but foolishness's player.

Nous ne devrions pas sous-estimer ça dans nos roleplay. Même si nous nous disons "ce n'est qu'un jeu, tout va bien", nos toon disent ce qu'on veut taire, à travers eux nous pleurons, nous râlons, nous refusons, nous nions. Il faut faire avec, l'accepter, mais surtout prendre le temps d'en parler, comme ici, pour qu'une bataille entre toon ne dégénère pas en bataille entre joueurs.

We should not underestimate it in our roleplay. Even if we say "it's only a game, all right," our toon say what you want silence, through them we cry, we grumble, we refuse, we deny. We must deal with it, accept it, but also take time to talk, as here, to a battle between toon does not degenerate into a battle between players.

Je m'arrête là, Goggle trad va déjà bien vous faire souffrir ! Mais c'était l'occasion de dire beaucoup de chose que certains croient allerde soi, et que d'autres ignorent.

I'll stop there, trad Goggle will already make you suffer! But it was an opportunity to say a lot of things that some believe allerde self and others ignore.

PS : i'm agree, "fun rp" are very important to start rp. Not interest on political if we don't love rp... But, for the moment, fun rp are yet quite. Very hard to smile. Ok, just try ! Make little toon, just for little fun, for one night !

[quote=Salazar (atys)]
I agree, universe is not the channel for RP

I will forget the fact that you are speaking IC in an OOC forum, but i don't really see how daomei, a neutral tryker who isn't fyros, by sap nor by heart, can explain to a fyros by sap and by heart how people of the desert behave. And you're the one destroying the traditions ; fyrk doesn't have caps, so it is "sharükos", not "Sharükos". And btw, fyros are united behind the 4 pillars, not behind sharükos.

I am not at liberty to read all this at the moment but quickly i can say

political "RP" is really boring, to me personally

letters to circles and assemblies and lovely racial name calling contests are not all the interesting to me nor are huge constitutions to read

the S.O.S theocracy was/is far more intriguing and i am working on something of my own. IRL politics are deathly boring to many including myself

the sheer volume of this post will scare away many readers, there is a lot "heavy" roleplay and very little light fun. i had way more fun chasing csrs around for silver pack than most of what i see going on

the market events were kind of nice though =)

it's all so serious

this is simply my outlook i do not speak for everyone but i sure do speak for some

a question was asked as to why there are not more english rp's i will tell you a little about aris we were casuall rp's even my self became an akenak for three tearms and i am not good at rp'ing i type badly and spell even worse but on aris we all had a go at being rp'ers even the ones that said they hated role playing i never removed my amps at any meetings i ever went to we never thought about it but by the by it was voted on at the meeting i went to and i found it strange but we all must comply but the meeting i attended i found to heavely politicaly based sadly befor the merger in my last tearm i prepossed a internatinal assemble as such a coming together of the four nations at times of need were nations could ask other nations to help each other out i work a lot on it but never got it of the ground after the merger i went along to see what the new rp'ing would be like and found my self way out of my depths as a casual rp'er that is my resons for not role playing i still hold the traditon of my girls are twins and there father was a fyros and there fysty mother was tryker we help any one in need even if there belifes conflict with theirs but when in battle they will uphold the kami side and fight for there fyros nation we will still heal those found in comas on the ground when not in battle as we belive that the greater threat is the dangers that hide from us not the homins that fight for servival on the root ball we call home the merger bought us all together but the rp'ing was not an easy thing and when play styles have been different for so long on our little fragments pre merger and i dont think it ever will be now i will go back to hiding and doing what i do happy rp'ing to those that wish to do it

Quoting flames are the most ridiculous I ever read, and I had to read over a lot of rubbish in these discussions. Self-aggrandization also is not what I feel will help to make the communities with different traditions becoming one.

And as to the four principles: undisciplined race hate babble in a public session in presence of international guests is not a service to the according fyros principle, childishly covering up the own failure by blame games violates two, namely truth and justice, at a time, and all that has nothing to do with honor, as well as manipulation of speakers' lists and further abuse of power has not. OOC I do not feel that good roleplay either.

As told, I can see and feel Fyros principles when they are followed and lived, and I can see and feel them as well when they are violated. This is as well true for trying to turn free warriors into disarmed subservient cattle bowing to a self-appointed session tyrant.

And, to add that: I could easily have a "fyros by sap and by heart" (btw. that "by sap" principle was unknown on Leanon, we never attributed genetic properties to sap) from my account, speaking as a Fyros Patriot and depriving you such cheap excuses. Yet this would lack authenticity, me, Daomei, am qualified by my history and my actions to judge and speak out rather than any makeshift toon.

You are a fine one to speak of violating Fyros principals Daomei. I've been on the receiving end of your violations. I was in FF when you dragged a Tyrancha into a group of diggers, one of whom was AFK and was the first to die. Luckily, we managed to survive and resurrect her.

Did you show honour and come back to help? No, you just kept running and left us to die, having got the Tyrancha off your tail. You have no honour and your "history and actions" show that to me.

Neela, if you are not just plainly lying, I ask myself why you never spoke with me about that incident I am not aware of. I never dragged any agro into others intentionally, in case I did accidentially and got aware, I always apologized and rezzed.

Though I do not know anything about your accusation, I still admit that such action was at fault and offer my apologies as far as I was responsible for.

Yet I cannot but say that such an accusation in this context is slanderous, dishonest, injust, und honorless. Many people know about my conduct concerning healing and rezzing other players and can confirm that I always heal homins in need regardless of descent or alignment. When you want to give the impression that I were intentionally dragging agro on others, that is dirty and lowly.

lol!

Well, I hope you all called your little children away from the computer now and ordered the damn little brats into bed, so that the grown-ups can take the stage again and we all return to the theme ... *roll eyes*

Thx Salazar (I have to assume responsibility as well by stepping into the row).

Back to the topic: It makes me somewhat sad that the interest in the political game is that low among most of the english speaking players. Maybe we can find ways to improve the attractivity. It will not be a simple task, though.

While in a bit polemic way, Icus made mention of another part of RP where the french community made an important contribution which is only partially acknowledged in the other communities, namely the languages of Fyros, Matis, Trykers, and Zorai.

The Tryker language seems to have been adopted to some extent on Arispotle already before the fusion, on Leanon this was not the case to my knowledge. Fyrk as well has not been much if at all recognized among Leanon patriots or other desert dwellers until now. In Zorai, especially Zhoi did a lot to popularize the Zorai language which succeeded at least with the greetings and some ceremonial speaking. Still I think this important contribution of the french community should be popularized further in all four peoples.

Laofa mentioned in her contribution (which was very informative about pre-fusion RP in the Aniro community) the existance of the TENANT commission, a supranational body comprising of all nations' and stateless' representatives. Personally I appreciate that construction very much (I know Salazar does not), and I recognized that Icus has suggested to re-negotiate and decide upon a renewed version of the Treaty of the four Nations alike the T.E.N.A.N.T. I would welcome very much if such an initiative would be adopted by all four countries putting international RP on new foundations.

I am quite sure that it is not only a portion of the english speaking community that is disinterested in the "political game" as it is currently being presented, by reading minutes of meetings and all these weird little "letters" and forum posts, exchanging what i feel are often just boring insults and flaming, i can say the active participants of the political game are in very small number and many of them have already posted here

this is unfortunate that many do not want to participate in this sort of thing?

the CoC seems to now outlaw insulting palyers directly, indirectly, and "under the cover of RP" there is no mistaking, the reason this was added is a direct consequence of this heavily political and insult-ridden "RP" which, the 4 main points highlighted in Daomei's post are all related to that sort of conflict

sure conflict makes for a great story but it can't be everything that goes on
nor can it be an extremely voluminous read all the time, many will lose interest

cotd

i am sure replies will now arrive pointing out weaknesses in my statements, sure you may quote somethnig or direct me to some writing that is not so long and boring or not so full of insults, or even not so politically driven, but i maintain that one basic reason that there is little participation from many who really DO want to try RP (many for the first time!) is that it is a big turn off to get caught up in all that writing, and then be afraid that someone will either insult you or, tell you that you are "doing it wrong"

(as in, casual rp even in the political sense does not seem to be serious enough to be part of the "political game")

for anyone who does not feel comfortable in this sort of environment, i will say that there are other forms of rp, lighter and imo, more fun, that you can start off in. you dont have to be a politician to enjoy rp

thanks for reading

I personally think having more casual RP on Atys would be just fine.
Additionally to Assemblies, that were once thought to initiate more Events on Atys, and sometimes did.
Additionally to Events, some organized by the Event Team, some organized by players.
Additionally to OOC-Events, like we also had on Atys once in a while.
Additionally to roleplaying in Forums.

There are many ways and occasions to roleplay on Atys. And nobody is forced to take part at any kind of roleplaying that she or he does not enjoy.

Just initiate RP of any kind that you prefer, and there will always be some other players who will support you and play together with you. It might not be so easy to find those "some others" while just talking to grinding/levelling/training characters of course. Instead Forums, Assemblies and Events are the best opportunities to learn the names of characters that you can talk to IC also via other communitcation-ways.

I do not see how reducing Assemblies and "formal" traditional roleplay would do anything good to motivate more players to take up roleplaying. I think that the exact opposite could happen just as well.

Yes, surely not everybody likes that one kind of RP. But some do! Also newcomers - some definitely might feel motivated by that, because it's the kind of RP they already know from other games (or pen & paper) and have already "learned" to enjoy.

Still it is not the only way to roleplay; and I fail to see how some can think like that?! Also one kind of RP can very well lead to other kinds of RP too. Most German-speaking players are very tolerant of "casual" RP mixed with a little or even much OOC; we had and have those kind of players in the German-speaking community too.

On the other hand I have also read rather useless "RP" in the Universe-chat lately like "the Matis/the Kami(-disciples) are all stupid" or so... Well, as "casual" as that might be, I do not think this will motivate more players to roleplay...

Unfortunately I have been called a "spammer" and have been flamed via tells before the Server-merge for RP in the Universe-channel, like when announcing what was happening at an RP-event to others in the Uni-chat. So I have reduced that kind of RP, only keeping up just a little on the German Uni-chat.

Still I have time and again heard IC-talk done in the Universe Chat even today. So it's not like it isn't done at all! And if someone talks to me IC in any kind of chat or PN or tell, I will always answer IC, and normally in a friendly way - just not if my character is offended or provoced too massively of course...

Here's an overview about the number of political representatives with voting-rights in the 4 Nations:

* first Assembly of Nobles in Yrkanis (February 17th 2013):
Avalae (French): 5 Nobles: Djaimse, Riditch di Aquilon, Kessler, Timna (was constituted/appointed Noble on that same day), Aylia Valecio (was constituted/appointed Noble on that same day)
Natae (English): 1 Noble: Ozwomen (not a Noble at that time? She did not introduce her guild like the others…)
Davae (German): 2 Nobles: Nyenor Di Avarron, Salazar Caradini

* last / second Assembly of Nobles in Yrkanis (April 12th 2013):
Avalae (French): 10 Representatives: Noble Kessler, Noble Riditch di Aquilon, Greffier Royal Zakkk (Zarkaya di Avalae), Botaniste Royal Erminantius, Dame de Compagnion Angeline, Matis-Vasall Pandari, Sujet Matis Ayukila, Matis-Vasall Zendae from Maiden Grove, Lyade
Natae (English): 1 Noble: Matis-Ambassador Minou
Davae (German): 1 Noble: Salazar Caradini
Votings about an ultimatum for Akenak Icus: 12 votes - 10 of which were from Avalae
comment: Naema said she was from Davae, but is not a Noble there and and not a political Representative

* first Assembly of the Akenak in Pyr (Febuary 24th 2013):
Thesos (French): 3 Akenak: Bardor, Icus Abygrion, Gunbra Celips
Pyr (English): 2 Akenak: Daavics, Rollocks
Dyron (German): 1 Akenak: Arrlon
(one more Akenak from Dyron, Malin, was absent on that day)

* last / second Assembly of the Akenak in Pyr (April 20th 2013):
Thesos (French): 2 Akenak: Bardor, Icus Abygrion
Pyr (English): no Akenak present
Dyron (German): no Akenak present

* first Assembly of the Great Circles in Zora (February 11th 2013):
Jen-Lai (French): 4 Representatives: Awakened Fey-Lin Liang, Initiate Valandrine, Initiate Mamasan, Initiate Etchizka
Min-Cho (English): 1 Representative: Initiate Astarth (has become Awakened afterwards), Initiate Fitis from the same guild as Astarth (has also become Awakened) - at votings only one vote per guild was counted valid
Hoi-Cho (German): 2 Representatives: Awakened Sartyrica, Honorary Initiate Zhoi

* last / fourth Assembly of the Great Circles in Zora (April 24th 2013):
Jen-Lai (French): 4 Representatives: Awakened Fey-Lin Liang, Initiate Valandrine, Initiate Altamira, Initiate Paolen
Min-Cho (English): 1 Representative: Awakened Fitis
Hoi-Cho (German): 1 Representative: Honorary Initiate Zhoi

* first Assembly of the Taliari in Fairhaven (February 20th 2013):
Avendale (French): 3 Representatives: Taliar Luth, Taliar Kaaon, Jazzy - leader of Bai Nhori Drakani
Crystabell (English): 1 Representative: Hechicera, leader of Spiritus Artificis from Fairhaven
Windemeer (German): 1 Representative: Chanchey Breggan, leader of the neutral "Free Souls"

* last / second Assembly of the Taliari in Fairhaven (April 15th 2013):
Avendale (French): 6 Representatives (at least these 6 voted for a diplomatic mission to be sent to the Verdant Heights) Taliar Luth, Taliar Meagon, Taliar Kaaon, Jazzy, Magena, Vannox
Crystabell (English): no Representative present
Windemeer (German): 1 Representative: Taliar Chanchey Breggan