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your argument would be vaid if the game had a massive population... mmorpg stand for....massive multiplayer online roleplaying game. ryzom has maybe 200 players at max, different factions, time zones and languages.. most times its hard to even find a team.

I draw the opposite conclusion from the same facts. The fewer people there are online, the more imperative it is that they play together rather than alone.

i consider this an MMO in the sense of Minimally Multiplayer .. especially in my timezone. I use one unsubbed second account and that lets me level and dig at a reasonable rate. Searching around every day for someone at the right level to train with is unrealistic. I agree with fleetwood that the game *should* be about cooperating to achieve stuff, but I also agree with nitrouss that it is too small and the current population too unfriendly to insist that people don't use alts

Now think about it. If I broke the whole subject down to a very naive board game. Let's say, "Don't be angry." This game is designed from the start to be a four-player board game. There are 4 slots that can be filled. All are equal and have the same prerequisites. The dice determine the course of the game.

Now it' s time for the Multiboxers!

If 2 players play and each controls 2 figures, then they have the same conditions.

But if one player occupies 3 places and the other only one, then the probability that the Multiboxer wins is tripled.

As simple as that, right?

Why should one occupy several slots as a Multiboxer at all, if there are enough people?

Social aspect: There are not enough players (which is usually not the case), or not enough who want to play with you (means there are not enough who like you or you like them), or you are just so antisocial that people prefer to avoid you.

Challenge: Since the game is much too easy for you, since you only roll the dice and move pieces, you see it as a challenge to direct several pieces to make it more exciting and exhausting for you. But you forget that this game is much more fun for company and that it is designed for that.

Art: It is truly an art to play "Don't be angry" alone, but also just as sad. You rather feel sorry for the Multiboxers and would like to play with them as one player, but then there are the others. There is no space left on the board. You make a space free and everyone can be happy, but it feels more like you're the fifth wheel: "Oh, there's the other one... He can play with himself... Why should I stay?" It gives the feeling in the game that you are unimportant as a single homin and a multiboxer doesn't need me to play anyway. I better go. You can play like that, but there's always that slightly bitter taste when you see a multiboxer. You just avoid him.

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You do NOT need a second toon to dig at a "reasonable rate" specially if you use it for healing your sources.
This is just convenience and "laziness" (notice the ") in the sense that stability stats of sources become useless, so if eveyrone is doing that why do we keep this stats?

In RP it sounds way more realistic than an alt dummy :)

Yes, in "RP" it doesn't make any sense. But you also need to keep in mind the gameplay point of view and the fact that some people have only little time to spend on the game (when you 4h available in a week for the game you do not want to spend half of this time by searching a team).

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What happened to your live streams? I bet you the 5 dappers Ati tried to give me the other day that a lot of people will be interested to see your live streaming the battles this evening and tomorrow.

Perhaps the current population is unfriendly only because they can afford to be - they don't need to be cooperative towards other players as they have their alts to play with.

One of my professors used the following analogy: suppose you are going to watch a football match, where you will stand in a crowd on an embankment. If you take an apple-box with you, and stand on it, you will get a better view. But if everyone takes an apple-box, no-one will get a better view, and everyone will have to lug an apple-box around. Everyone would be better off if everyone stopped taking an apple-box, but no-one can afford to be the first to stop, as then they will get no view at all. The only solution is to ban apple-boxes from football venues. When considering the merits of such a rule, you must consider not only the cost to you of your not having an apple-box, but also the benefit to you of everyone else not having one either.

I have actually only been amused by using the term "unrealistic" to name something very real in role-play while using alt dummy is considered to be more realistic...

I personally am not unfriendly. I help whoever whenever I can. Though, as a US player with random work hours there isn't a lot of good opportunities for me to team with people. I do when I can. In 6 months of being back that has been 1 plod team, 1 shalah, 2 treks and 2 OPs. Almost had a CPer once but they had to AFK and then I needed to go to bed. When I do get to join in on things, I leave Khao behind. Now that's just MY situation. Non of that will change for me if and when Khao is gone.

Now with that being said....After having been here for all of this thread, I went and read some RP backgrounds to try to understand some homin's side of things. I can say there are a few RP people that I would never team with. There is one that I wouldn't let a yubo pee on if he was on fire. I can not and will not support someone who uses "RP" to breed hate. When someone talks about master races, cooking homins and refers to Trykers being about as good as a pet, I draw a strong frigging line. I don't give a crap if this is just a game, there is too much hate in the real world already to have to see it here. So, yes there are some people that are unfriendly and alts have nothing to do with it. It's who they seem to be as people.

Hmm, I've been here over two years. I don't team, I have no alts, I've never begged for equipment or asked for a rez and I don't do PvP. I'm neutral; no faction, no nation. Yet, somehow I've managed to gain several masters and am well on the way to several more (although my healing sucks big time).

I don't care about the multi-boxers and the PvP gamers as long as I'm not forced into things I don't want to do (although the game does try to force one despite the advertisements about "play any way you want").

As far as hate and discontent; well the game lore, history and coding does sort of enforce violence, bigotry and racism. It's built into the game. However, you don't have to succumb to it or endorse it; you can overcome it.

Play on all...

that analogy doesn't apply here though, as football is a limited time event and to see everyone has to be there, were a football match 24/7 then the embankment would be empty or not obscured most of the time, especially when people are asleep, at work, school, or on the other end of the world.

Unfortunately, I had no control over this .... my "flag" kept changing to french ... I was having to reset it every time I came on the forum ... even after this post.    After some support discussions on RC, I think it's finally fixed.
Yes it was great .... Please explain what do you object to with "in your words" "Arispotle" people doing what they like to do, Aniro folk doing what they like to do and Leanon folk doing what they want to do ?  Or anyone else.   I go to a restaurant and it has menu choices ... people who don't want to eat red meat have options ... people whp prefer seafood have options, people who want a salad have that option.   What's with the "No damn it, you will eat hot dogs, you will pay for them and like it" routine !

I don't pay my monthly subscription to make your game enjoyable the way you want to play it.  A subset of the player base, from all servers but mostly Aniro,  treats Atys like Napoleon and demands that everyone play their way ... that is not goiung to happen because if it does, the game can not survive.    You wanna make believe you are a  superhero, you have the right to do so, and I'm fine with that  fine ... you want to make belive you are an evil sociopath, you have the right to do so and I'm fine with that .... but you don't have the right to dicate that anyone else  join your imaginarly world.


Ok so since we are getting less services ... less content, less access to rewards, etc.,  ..... and missing all these "RP Events" because we are sleeping, it could be argued that subscriptions should be different and priced accordingly based upon access to this content.

Could also be said that thewestern folk "subsidizing" the euro folk.  What about the folks down under ?  I spend at least 2/3 my logged in time creating tools, testing DMs, filing bug reports.  You want people  to pay the same, get less and, ..... on top of that,  change our play styles to fit the game YOU enjoy  ?

Please reread the existing terms and conditions, you seem to have misread.  Ryzom *** IS *** one of them.  Always has been.

Interesting and thoughtful interpretation that made me think on several topics but I don't see how anyone that was not "in the room" is in a position to say what it was created for.  But these facts remain:

1.  Nevrax not only "did not prohibit" MB but spefically coded it into the game with the "/multi command".  Didn't even need a 2nd account early on.  And they specifically made a point of adding it in the CoC.  I am therefore unable to "make the leap" to reach the "wasn't created for" conclusion when the devs went through the trouble of creating specific coding allowing it.

2.  Every ownership since has specifically addressed it in the CoC.

I have 4 PCs and 2 laptops in this room.  I choose not to use multiple toons ... I consider using a dig or heal slave a personal affront to my toon's "character" if you will or perhaps better said, I'm here for the entertainment and the challenge; for me that challenge is doing things w/o alts.

But I also don't see it within my purview to dictate how other players play the game ... I find it very uncomfortable that other players do.


AFAIK, no one has been found to be using any 3rd party tool.  This has been investigated and the powers that be have found that a) the individual is controlling the alts within the rules of the game and b)  the allegations were false.

Outside of politics "people are saying" does not constutute the burden of proof.  The evidence has been voluntarily submitted, thoroughly examined and charges soundly refuted.   People just have to accept the fact that certain players have developed a skill level, within the boundary of the existing game rules that exceeds their own and they simply don't want to to have to admit that fact to themseves.

On one hand, I have no axe to grind ... on the other I know little about the skills involved to master it.   I play the game to give my brain a rest, work is stressful; make a mistake and things fall down and people die.  I don't want to "relax" by concentrating on doing 4-5 things at once.

The only argument I see against MB falls under the "pay to win" concept" .  I once had 3 accounts ... my own and 2 of my sons.    Is me playing all 3 really that different than having each of them play.   It's a hard questions because the answer will always depend upon where you are sitting .... and I'm not even sitting in the room since I don't use alts ever.

Since the opportunity is open to all, the only complaint can be ... "he / she is better than me and I can't compte" because a) I can't afford to or b)  I don't have the skills.

a)  This can be considered unfair
b)  This is just "whinerbagging"

On the admin side, why process 5 transactions paying 5 sets of processing fees. What if anything could be done with a different type of account that allows 1 processing fee and allows X number of toons to launch ?   Perhaps do a deal for $34.95 for up to 5 toons and I womder if that would allow closer activity monitoring so that all the imagined 3rd party software / botting fears would go away.