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#49 Añadido por Mermaidia 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[es] 

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Je pense que le jour où il y aura un shop sur Ryzom signera pour moi la fin de mon avatar. Et je ne pense pas être la seule dans ce cas.

A chaque phase du jeu, il a été question de mettre les joueurs sur un pied d'égalité que ce soit pour la sortie des métiers, les maraudeurs légers, la fusion et la perte d'inventaires etc...
Comment peut-on parler d'égalité dès lors que l'on touche au porte-monnaie ?

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#50 Añadido por Siela 8 años hace Reportar | CitarMultilingüe 

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I am completely against pay2win as well... so i dislike the idea of a shop that gives a real advantage, but how about skin shopping?

I mean it doesn't help to win to have a Kirosta or Arma or whatever mob mount/packer, as long as they have the same stats. And i'm pretty sure it could help get some money to make more content for Ryzom.

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#51 Añadido por Ethernity 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[fr] 

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Coucou,
Le F2P est pas une mauvaise idée au contraire.Apres on aime,on aime pas.On reste,on reste pas.C'est la vie......

#52 Añadido por Seto 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[en] 

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Siela
I am completely against pay2win as well... so i dislike the idea of a shop that gives a real advantage, but how about skin shopping?

I mean it doesn't help to win to have a Kirosta or Arma or whatever mob mount/packer, as long as they have the same stats. And i'm pretty sure it could help get some money to make more content for Ryzom.

Thats my thinking as well. Plus some pets that do nothing eg a yubo that follows you around and maybe "attacks" mobs but doesnt do any damage when you attack the mob. EG a ankle biter the mob pays no attention to the yubo. Fun stuff that may look cool but adds nothing to your ability to progress.

#53 Añadido por Numenor 8 años hace Reportar | CitarMultilingüe 

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Hi,
For me it is a great news. Ryzom still is one of my favorite games. However I don't find a lot of pleasure playing it alone and always loved to play it with irl friends.
The problem was... if I want to introduce the game to a friend, help him at his beginnings before taking again a submission I have to play with an alt. Because I would like to be sure he loves the game and want to continue to play before taking a submission.

Having the possibility to play/show the game for free to a friend is a marvelous idea to me.

I guess it is not the most critical and urgent point, but a good point for me.

#54 Añadido por Seto 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[en] 

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Numenor
Hi,
For me it is a great news. Ryzom still is one of my favorite games. However I don't find a lot of pleasure playing it alone and always loved to play it with irl friends.
The problem was... if I want to introduce the game to a friend, help him at his beginnings before taking again a submission I have to play with an alt. Because I would like to be sure he loves the game and want to continue to play before taking a submission.

Having the possibility to play/show the game for free to a friend is a marvelous idea to me.

I guess it is not the most critical and urgent point, but a good point for me.

So why would any of this make a difference to you for that purpose? As it stands now you log on to your char paid or not show your friend around hunt with them etc. After this change is added you log on to your char show them around etc.

#55 Añadido por Songbird 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[es] 

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@ Tamarea
So this move means I can log onto my previously subbed toon Songbird with out re-subbing, but i will only have f2p capabilities. my question is - what happens to all the q250 gear I was wearing, and q250 stuffs i have in my inventory/packers etc. Will i still be able to use it all, but it will magically only perform like q150 items?? Or will it be placed in my inventory as "red' , unable to be used?
AND if i do re-sub, will I automatically be able to cast Master level spells again?

Thank you.
Songbird

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#56 Añadido por Siela 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[es] 

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Hmm, about the number of subs needed to keep the game going... There are 63 subbed accounts just from those that answered "How did you come to know about Ryzom?"

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#57 Añadido por Seto 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[en] 

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Siela
Hmm, about the number of subs needed to keep the game going... There are 63 subbed accounts just from those that answered "How did you come to know about Ryzom?"

Which wont even be a 10th the number of subbed accounts. Most players will not even visit the forums to read them and of those who visit to read most of those wont ever post. So 63 who said they subbed figure 9 or 10x that that are subbed meaning people. Some of those people we know from being in our various guilds and uni chat etc have more than one account subbed. Id say absolute min subbed accounts in ryzom are pushing towards if not at 1k or more minimally

#58 Añadido por Yragael 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[fr] 

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Mermaidia
Je pense que le jour où il y aura un shop sur Ryzom signera pour moi la fin de mon avatar.

Pour ma part aussi.

F2P, pourquoi pas. Mais je suis absolument contre tout système permettant aux joueurs payant des extras d'accélérer leur progression. Cela sonnera, à mon très humble avis, le glas de la communauté telle qu'elle existe aujourd'hui. Et je ne suis pas sûr que ce soit pour du mieux...

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#59 Añadido por Demyos 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[fr] 

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Cc,
Le phénomène de payer plus que les autres exitent dejà.Certains ont plusieurs comptes payant.Ceux qui payent plusieurs comptent pour progresser plus vite à l'insu de ceux qui ne peuvent avoir plus d'un compte.Si la ( discrimination financiere ) est pas dejà presente là......

Je ne parle que les comptes payant pas les comptent reroll gratuit que tout le monde a,mais s'en cache bien.

Et depuis un moment sur Ryzom,dans l'esprit F2P.Il y est dejà present à petite echelle.De toute façon Ryzom c'est son dernier virage...Si le F2P l'aide pas à redemarrer,c'est la cloture.

#60 Añadido por Fifi 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[es] 

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Pour les hors sujets :
La chanson "Ryzom c'est la fin" je l'ai toujours entendu.
J'ai joué pour la premiere fois à la beta, je suis parti et revenu 2 fois, toujours en payant, là je suis revenu encore.
Il y a peu de joueurs, mais il y en a toujours autant, les arrivées compensent les departs, les gens revienent, la comunauté linux est une bonne source d'arrivants.
Si ce jeu n'a pas besoin de plus pour vivre il continura sans probleme, c'est un jeu ultra niche de fidèles.

Concernant le sujet :
Cette annonce ne dis qu'une chose : les anciens comptes payants pourront revenir gratuitement avec leurs persos plutot qu'avec un alt.
C'est plutot sympa pour les personnes concernées mais ça ne change rien pour la vie du jeu, au lieu de revenir avec un alt je reviens avec mon perso mais qui a les memes stats que si c'était un alt free to play.

Réactions :
- "pay to win, je me casse!"
- "débarquement de kikoos!"
- "je suis sur que c'est lié à l'arrivé d'un cash shop, je me casse !"
- "c'est pas ce genre de changement qu'il nous faut, c'est plus de contenus, je me casse!"

Tips pour les devs : svp, ne lisez pas les forums, c'est à vous décourager de bosser sur ce jeu.

#61 Añadido por Nitrouss 8 años hace Reportar | CitarMultilingüe 

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Cash shop is not pay to win, gear doesn't bring skill and knowledge.
anything sold on a cash shop should be BOP... Bind on pickup. So that it's bound to a character as soon as he picks it up and wears out at a normal pace, the gear can't traded.

Most games sell things like experience pots with might triple you do for 1 hour, or a pot that gives you no death penalty for 1 week no matter how much you die
Most items are aimed at new players

Items such as 150% crafting scrolls.. Which guarantees no degrade no matter what level item you craft.
Don't you wish that boosted 250ql item wasn't a degrade???!?! Even though you used a scroll with said 99% success rate!!

These things generally are not pay to win... You still need the SKILL, knowledge and materials in game to use them.

People seem to forget that 60+ skills to master in a challenge initself and new players will purchase anything that helps them.

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#62 Añadido por Seto 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[en] 

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Nitrouss
Cash shop is not pay to win, gear doesn't bring skill and knowledge.
anything sold on a cash shop should be BOP... Bind on pickup. So that it's bound to a character as soon as he picks it up and wears out at a normal pace, the gear can't traded.

Most games sell things like experience pots with might triple you do for 1 hour, or a pot that gives you no death penalty for 1 week no matter how much you die
Most items are aimed at new players

Items such as 150% crafting scrolls.. Which guarantees no degrade no matter what level item you craft.
Don't you wish that boosted 250ql item wasn't a degrade???!?! Even though you used a scroll with said 99% success rate!!

These things generally are not pay to win... You still need the SKILL, knowledge and materials in game to use them.

People seem to forget that 60+ skills to master in a challenge initself and new players will purchase anything that helps them.

Um a pot that makes you do tripple what your normally do in ryzom would be insanity.

Most cash shop stuff is aimed at those with bloated bank accounts the last craprpg i played with a cash shops top 10 players on just my server spent a few 100 grand. If ryzom goes that rout it will ruin the game. Youll have cashers who spend 1000s who refuse to help out new players who are gaining 3 and 4 lvls to the new players 1 lvl. You wuld have the elites who have all gear that never wares out while non elites have normal gear. Right now you can pretty much get geared up for next to nothing or nothing. Players who give out some rpetty great gear to new players just hitting the main land for crafting digging etc and do it every single day. That ould all end with the cash shop.

Any type of cash shop in ryzom should be extremely limited limited to things like pets that are just that a pet that does nothing to boost stats can not carry any thing or in not other way effects game play. Maybe some custom looks for your armor etc. Any thing more would ruin this now 12 year old game and probably kill it off totally.

#63 Añadido por Loved 8 años hace Reportar | Citar[en] 

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I would ask every single person on this post to stop discussion of things way off topic

this is about fremium

not cash shop
not pay to win

please, if you want to discuss these things move it to another topic
i would even ask the GMs to pick up all those repsonses and move them if they were able to

thank you for your kind cooperation

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