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#34 Añadido por Bitttymacod 10 años hace  

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To those who are calling for "official" intervention, some comments:

If your point of view (that Marauders should not be a part of any aligned guild) is so correct, then Marauders will NOT be a part of any aligned guild; the Guild Leaders who absolutely control membership will not let them join or will kick them out if some officer accidentally invites them. In fact I am in agreement with that point of view. I would never invite a PvP'er to join the pacifistic Phaedrea's Tears. If you are a Kamist Matis guildleader, however, who sees in the Marauder a kindred revolutionary that you think you can "use" to gain power over your enemies in the Nobility, feel free to invite her and take the political consequences.

If your point of view is that Guild Leaders should be *forced* (via game mechanics) not to allow Marauders into the guild, then I stand against that. Let Guild Leaders choose their form and level of roleplay and choose who shall be a member and who shall not. Let the sandbox be free to evolve. (I am actually in opposition to the Nation restrictions as well -- not sure about the religious ones: I don't want either party (Jena or Ma-duk themselves) directly intervening in Atys.

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#35 Añadido por Virg 10 años hace  

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Max once again you just jump from governments to organizations. The two are seperate entities they are not interchangable.

Look into real life examples: Mobsters and gangsters. Heck even companies like Nike. They are organizations. They are multi-national.. They are not a government.. They can be anti-government or they arent..

Tbh I am just tired of this. Just try and understand my last posts please.

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#36 Añadido por Maxxye 10 años hace  

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T'es chaud patate Maximus ! C'est beau !
Mais tu sais (enfin j'imagine que tu le sais) ça ne sert pas à grand chose d'en parler (enfin j'admire le fait que tu n'abandonne pas ..) avec "eux". Tout ce qu'ils veulent c'est jouer "comme des potos" quitte à laisser complètement tomber les fondations du jeu.
Par ailleurs, vu que ce poste va sans doute être surveillé par les gms/anims, j'attends toujours une réponse de la part de l'équipe d'anim :D (et merci d'avance).

#37 Añadido por Marceline 10 años hace  

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Maxxye (atys)

Mais tu sais (enfin j'imagine que tu le sais) ça ne sert pas à grand chose d'en parler (enfin j'admire le fait que tu n'abandonne pas ..) avec "eux". Tout ce qu'ils veulent c'est jouer "comme des potos" quitte à laisser complètement tomber les fondations du jeu.

Wait, so it's a case of 'them and us'?
This discussion is over then... we will continue to play however we like as you will, in turn, play however you like.

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#38 Añadido por Zendae 10 años hace  

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I think also this has to be clarified.

A patriot may be close friend with zorai, he cannot enter a zorai guild, while a marauder can.

Nothing can prevent you subtle way of interpreting the marauder's lore. But it has to be in the same gameplay limits than others.

OR ... free all the limitations. In a way it could be more realistic, but it's a high risk to flatten the game.

Maybe the guild fame could be more usefull in game's mechanics. And mixed guild would have strong penalty on it's fame, preventing them to do this without a deep willing.
For exemple the guild fame could influence the price to declare op war. This is just a exemple, and not enough to my point of view.

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#39 Añadido por Kigan 10 años hace  

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Ah ... C'était mieux avant quand même !

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#40 Añadido por Virg 10 años hace  

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I have taken the time to write an in-depth coverage of what roleplay I choose to follow. I actually think this roleplay is far less superficial than many of the "hardcore" roleplayers. I do not follow the lore like I bible but I do not think the lore should be followed like a bible- this is a sandbox game. Do not tell others how to play with their sand- essentially you are trying to impose your own RP restrictions on others- others who aren't even in the same faction as you! It is ridiculous! (I know I have recently asked Zendae to change the RP of an event but that is an entirely different matter, one OC, and I will not go into that discussion here).

Have a think of what a "lore" actually is. It is not written in stone and it certainly is not something to be followed down to the last word. I think you guys get way to hung up on the lore- it is not a rulebook! Have a look at a few definitions online and maybe then you might understand more.

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#41 Añadido por Peatpom 10 años hace  

#42 Añadido por Kigan 10 años hace  

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Sinon, je suis plutôt d'accord avec Maximus. Et c'est bien trop rare pour ne pas le prendre en considération ! Ne jouant plus depuis plus d'un an, c'est quand même assez frustrant de voir que rien n'a changé, voir que les choses ont empiré.

Je souhaite bien du courage à ceux qui essayent de continuer à jouer dans l'esprit d'Aniro, cela ne doit pas être évident tous les jours.

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#43 Añadido por Maxxye 10 años hace  

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Marceline (atys)

Wait, so it's a case of 'them and us'?.

Not really them & us, more.. the way to play

Marceline (atys)

This discussion is over then... we will continue to play however we like as you will, in turn, play however you like.

That's it ! Just play as you want and let people say what they want ( well in a respectfull way of course !)
Only two things could change that, open another server (no need to say why or for who ) or close the game ( i don't like the 2sd one !)
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#44 Añadido por Marceline 10 años hace  

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Maxxye (atys)

That's it ! Just play as you want and let people say what they want ( well in a respectfull way of course !) :)

works for me :) 

Maxxye (atys)

Only two things could change that, open another server (no need to say why or for who ) or close the game ( i don't like the 2sd one !)

erm... yeah... i'd like to avoid the second one if possible.

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#45 Añadido por Ingfarah 10 años hace  

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Just a little word on here to say how I consider things here.

Kamis can't join Kara guilds. Marauders can join any guild. Neutrals can join any guild.

A neutral's "ideal" fames is +50 everywhere: basically, supportive of everybody. Ideal between quotation marks because different roleplays may induce very different fames.

A marauder's ideal fames is -100 everywhere, but at least under -42 because of the marauder rite. Making them ennemies of every state. From a logical point of view, if Karas and Kamis can't mix, then Marauders shouldn't be able to mix either. Heck, Kamis and Karas can't even enter neutral guilds.

It is not racism, fascism or whateverism driving those who request marauders not to be able to guild in non marauder guilds, and maybe they're adressing the topic in a way making the marauders feel like they're singled out and mistreated. The fact is, though, that it's closer to asking equality in the way Marauders, Kamis and Karas said are treated.

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#46 Añadido por Ingfarah 10 años hace  

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That said: there is is till a very long road to equality. And most of it has to be done to bring the marauder faction UP than down.

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#47 Añadido por Mermaidia 10 años hace  

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Si n'importe quel type de guilde peut embarquer des joueurs maraudeurs, que reste-il à la faction du même nom ? Comment peut-on espérer qu'elle s'auto-suffise un jour en agissant comme des gosses, sans nous fixer de règle ?

Ne pas être dans une même guilde, n'empêche pas de jouer ensemble. De même que jouer l'un contre l'autre est aussi une manière de jouer ensemble... Grandissez un peu et réfléchissez-y ;)
Puis, pour le côté "on est tous des potes youpi", il reste les events hrp pour ceux qui aiment ça et les tells aussi :p

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#48 Añadido por Marceline 10 años hace  

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More to the point; does anyone have the power and/or knowledge to make this happen?
Do any of the dev's care enough about this oversight to actually go out of their way to 'fix' it?
Does it even matter?
How does it affect an outsiders game?

As i've said, i'm past caring whether it happens or not.


(this is not intended as harrassment) 

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