IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Dont presume to know what my treks entail. I am a very big fan of informing players during their treks. In fact, I would like to argue that it is indeed such a trek as you gave example of that is a failure of a trek, if you don't in the beginning lay down basic rules such as, don't run infront of the leader and don't loot. Otherwise, it would be wise not to take on a bigger challenge than you can handle.

As for PvP not needing the best armour, you don't help yourself with that argument. Whatever the best gear available would be, that would be what would be utilised in PvPing. Wether its better or worse than what is currently available is irrelevant.

A PvP fight is not automatically easier because you can tell the opponent that you need a 2 minute break. Its intensity is far beyond a trek, whereby, if you are trekked by someone who knows the "safer" paths, treks can actually get boring... PvP is constant, your down, your teammate is up, they have to rez you in time for you to equip amps to heal them to keep the team up etc etc.... Virg mentioned PvP which lasted for like 20minutes of players going down and getting back up and etc... far from having the best gear it all goes down to how you work with your team and utilising the correct tactics at the correct time.With a Mob, its simple, its HP goes down until it dies, there is not Invul nor MPA and the Varinx don't go round healing eachother...

Here is some simple maths for you:

1 piece of pei LA:
kills needed = 9
miniumum time taken = 9 hours of respawn time + 3 (generous) hours of killing time = 12 hours total
(Adding the probability of 1 fail (you should know these are generous odds as you yourself do pei that brings the total to 13-14 hours)

1 kami skirt/sheild:
kills needed = 125 (assuming max xp per kill which never happens fighting someone of the same level)
minimum time (assuming kills every 5 minutes) = 10.4 hours

The stats for the pei LA are easily achieved however the stats for the kami skirt are generously exaggerated. Xp is usually lower half the max effectively doubling the time to 20 hours. Winning is not 100% more like 50:50 effectively doubling the time to 40hours (I don't even need to mention the fact that even during fights kills are not every 5 minutes).

90% of the time I checked on pei I found him up. I can usually only find people to PvP about 10-20% of the time I play.


Hopefully this portrays the difficulty of getting 1 PvP piece compared to 1 pei piece.

I am sorry but i still disagree with you. Trekking new players is easy once you know how. I have done plenty of treks for new players during my time at ryzom and to be completely honest only a few times (when i was starting out) the team has wiped. Different languages brings up issues in all aspects of the game. If you have to fend off serveral tyrancha, varinx and kipucka and be rezzing dead team members then in my opinion you are not familiar with how to trek and avoid aggro.. Yes aggro doesn't pause for you but it doesn't need to if it doesn't see you or is dead before it reaches you.. Also the point with "punishment"- there is none if you simply avoid it.

PvP uses the best armor because it is the aspect of the game where people feel they should use their best armor. This is not just me- ask around at PvP wars and you will find people are wearing their best. Ask them why and the answer is simple- they dont need it during grinding skills and PvE- so they save for PvP.

With all respects I am thinking very real- I have a million and one ideas that I know will not reach the light of day however more PvP rewards I believe are deserved and would not be hard to implement.

Posted up a new Topic as this one was getting a bit long.

Hopefully see you all there :)

This thread evolved many many ideas following the initial presentation:  Some of them have been addressed in the reply to the subsequent thread posted by Virg http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/17014/1# 1.

The following three ideas have also been identified by review.

Idea 1 - Create armor with specialized looks and with reasonable stats for purchase with Civilization Faction Points.
=> Will be considered for long term implementation.

Idea 2 - Create PvP armor that can only be used for tagged PvP.
=> Will not be added because it will cause too many problems and special cases.

Idea 3 - Create Kami/Karavan missions in Silan that give temporary fame high enough to tag up for PvP and which reward PvP.
=> Will not be added because it would be too much DEV work to spend on a starting zone.

Tamarea, what about the current PvP point rewards? wll they be finished? only selling a skirt and shield :p

Check the other PvP post buc- its under a brainstorm :)