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But they are pasty Matis!!!

To my mind, "Hardcore RP" is when you use an overzealous interpretation of lore to try to create conflict where none really exists, and to allow that desire for conflict to trump common decency, or even the commonly accepted interpretation of the lore that includes things like treaties or members of different factions working together. When you think you know better than the devs and the community, maybe you're taking things a bit too far.

By contrast, "Casual RP-ers" may get totally immersed in their character, but they at least stay OOC enough to remember that for every homin on Atys, there is a human at a computer, that Ryzom is a game played by people seeking a pleasant diversion, and act with enough courtesy to not ruin other people's fun.

Of course, that is just my opinion and not neccessarily absolute fact.

And thank you for bringing that to my attention.

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Well, according to that description of extremes I'm supposedly sitting between chairs. I do enjoy a bit of conflict, for without any conflict, without contradiction of opinion all what is left - especially in politics - is a bore; it's like your whole life in RP is forever trapped in an endless circle of small talk - which I even loathe in real life, to be honest.

On the other hand I try to take in that other people might be affected in one way or the other. But at least of the politicians in game I expect both the ability to seperate IG and OOC, and to take in a somewhat rougher handling, so to say - as I expect politicians in RL to deal with animosity and conflict, for one should not stay in the kitchen if one can't stand the heat. So I really don't mind if Binarabi verbally attacks Matis as a rule, or if Rikutatis takes a more subtle method to undermine our standing. Salazar will remember, and most likely will pay back debts if he sees fit. ;)

In both cases I don't see the need to deny help to someone who asks for it. That's more a matter of manners and common sense for me than of politics and conflict.

Well, for many characters, their everyday-life on Atys is rather peaceful other than the usual fights against animals, bandits and tribes (NPCs), especially for those who stay away from outposts-PvP. At least there is no war between nations nor factions going on, and outpost-battles are guild-based with ever-changing alliances and oppositions between guilds.

So even in RP it is not more than a very thin flimsy excuse or maybe stupidity on the character's sides to "hate ALL Karas" as a Kami-disciple or to "hate ALL Matis" as a Fyros or even Zorai, while in reality your guild has merely battled for outposts against a few specific guilds of said factions or nations...

For characters who do their best to lead a peaceful life it is really absurd, sometimes shocking, sometimes saddening (and also often fun-killing for their players) to be met with words and actions of hatred (often at events that are supposed to make hominkind or at least a nation some cultural progress or should tell us all more about the world our characters are living on).

"Conflict-RP" is the total opposite of the "everyday-life" on Atys for many characters.

It's a complete illogical development for peaceful characters to be suddenly excluded from important events of other nations (like Matis not being allowed at Fyros-events) as they themselves have done nothing to "deserve" this.

All based on one Fyros-representative who once upon a time insulted "all" Matis during an assembly which then caused the nobles to withdraw their ambassadors, while their nation's leaders shrugged their shoulders and let it happen because they totally did not care. (And that's what this awesome "spice" is all about... *yawns*)

However it's even more illogical for peaceful characters to be told that they have to hate, avoid and/or even kill their former homin-fellows despite all peace-treaties and despite having saved each others behinds at a couple of past events.

Unfortunately I don't know how RP on Aniro *really* was. However I know very well that even on Aniro there have been many peaceful homis as well, and not only neutrals, but also faction-loyal and/or nation-loyal homins who did not "live" hatred.

So much about the "links between daily game and RP".

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Sadly it's absolutely not true that everyone now plays together without conflict. Look at what Binarabi and Suboxide and others have experienced.

Characters not being resurrected (without a care if the players of said characters even know what "RP" is), characters being told that they should stop hunting, harvesting, travelling/trekking and so on as a team because they have different religious beliefs... This has happened only recently.

And I know of a number guilds that have been threatened and/or are still being griefed occasionally because they dare(d) to be allies with "heretic" guilds. They were told over and over again that "Karas have to hate Kamis" because anything else but hatred would be "bad RP".

Which they cannot understand, as it definitely does neither go against the lore nor ingame-circumstances. Heck, I even know of guilds and characters who were told that they have to avoid neutrals too because teaming up with neutrals would be "bad RP".

Well, yes, it's quite true that some players will tend to think that the players of unfriendly characters are having an unsocial personality in RL too and should better be avoided OOC too. And sometimes they are right. http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S019188691400032 4 or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll#Psychological_charact eristics In fact most of those who are trolls IC often are also trolls OOC and even tend to mix up OOC and IC as well to top it off.

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Common, normal roleplaying will *always* also include heated discussions and verbal fights. Neither our characters nor we as humans can always be of the same opinion, so we will of course get into arguments from time to time and also be on bad terms or avoid each other occasionally. That has always been part of RP and it will always be this way.

But does roleplaying really have to "spiced up" even more with rude insults and threats to kill and/or torture each other to not be "boring"? Do homins have to break out into spontaneous (PvP-)duels every time they meet and even at political assemblies just because of belonging to different nations or beliefs? Is mass-bloodshed at every other event "necessary" to make roleplaying "fun"?

Some players seem to think exactly that... And they call it "conflict-RP". Mainly because it either includes or is aimed to lead to PvP.

I have come to realize that actions like these quickly get very, very boring and after a while will look nothing but embarrassingly childish to observers.

It's not really much different from your common OOCler/Non-RPer storming any kind of RP-event to draw attention and challenging everyone to duels there without any IC-reason but instead "just for fun". For their own fun only of course. Usually they either do not care at all if others feel annoyed by such senseless disturbances, or they even aim at pi**ing others off :(

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Political RP has not turned into just "boring talk" because of the lack of "conflict-RP". On the contrary: "conflict-RP" has even played an important part in this development.

Where's the "spice" in nation-representatives refusing to work together to save all homins from Atys-wide threats or in not allowing homins from specific nations to participate at events? All for the single reason that they just prefer to merely spit the same old words of mortal hatred towards another again and again instead of getting into some action?

All this senseless and baseless (remember: no war on Atys amongst nations nor factions) hatred is even hindering Atys-wide RP-events from happening that would make this game more fun for everyone.

This hatred is one of the reasons that make politics turn into ever-repeating senseless bickerings and other than that into musings about regional affairs only (like assembly-orders) while turning their back to the other countries as if they did not exist - instead of inventing events together.

All of this is just killing fellow-players's fun instead of being interesting "spice" for most of us.

Moreover it's been driving players from this game and it is not offering anything good in return that would motivate players to play on. It only kills the mood on Atys for characters and players alike, and now even new roleplayers are being met with hostility because of this so-called "spice" that has long turned into poison both IC and OOC.

So that's why "conflict-RP" has proven to be a complete failure in my eyes.

Salazar: +1 (you're an oasis in the burning desert! Because I know you love the desert so much =P)

Djaimse: +1

Erminantius: Parfois, je fais un effort pour me faire comprendre en français pour les joueurs qui ne parlent pas anglais. Avec certains joueurs, je parle en anglais et ils répondent en français et nous comprendre mutuellement. Et je respecte et admire votre résistance, vous êtes un merveilleux RPer.

Oh and for anyone who has been around OPs and supernodes in the last several years, it'd be pretty clear kamists and karavaneers ARE at war with each other. The message on the screen may say "guild vs guild" but if every single time you see all kamist guilds fighting against all karavaneer guilds, then I think it's pretty safe to assume there's a war going on. You may not want to admit it, but it doesn't make it any less real.