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other...explain in thread
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#16 Added by Erizon(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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I leveled my PR to 190-ish by digging in the PvP zones. I dug mission mats because I didn't want to bother with weather patterns, but there would have been no KP anyway, either way. Keep your eyes open, watch the /who list to see if known gankers are in the zone.

Once I could dig q200, I explored PR. Sure, I died a lot until I found places that were safe to dig. You absolutely can avoid the KP, even in SC as Kami, where they love to hang around the TP. Where I personally dug, there are mostly safe spots for Wood, Resin, Seed, Sap, Shell, Bark, Oil, and Node. Near a Kara TP is a mostly safe spot for Fiber, but it wasn't as easy for me to get to. A couple of Amber spots are diggable, but not incredibly safe; I'm sure someone knows of a spot or two that is more safe.

I stopped digging for levels once I hit q250 (level 240), and just dug for mats then. The spots are there, you just have to find them. If you're grinding craft and grinding dig, you don't need specific mats. You also get the occasional Super and Excellent as well.

Figure out where the KP are (no, they're not "everywhere") and where the safe spots are and where the dangerous spots are. And figure out how to spot them from a distance, so you know where they are before they can sneak up on you.

I saw it as a challenge, something for me to adapt to, and didn't expect anyone to hand me something on a silver platter.

I would be sad to see the KP changed, since it's a nice challenge and provides something to PR that the surface can't match. PR diggable mats are the best for multiple reasons, and PR is the only place to find Supreme q250 dug mats. It shouldn't be as mindlessly easy as the surface to dig down there.

#17 Added by Aeralin 1 decade ago [en] 

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Bitttymacod

I congratulate you on your persistence and skill, Aeralin. I have the persistence (if not the skill); I managed to level to my current level (157) pretty much solo as well, in GoO and near tp's in other places. I found PR far more dangerous than above ground when it was just the "normal" aggro. There are very few places that are "peaceful" and the "weather" dependence means that a lot of the time you aren't digging at all, just keeping an eye out while you wait. "Some things are meant to be difficult," is a good thing, but there are degrees of difficulty which are beyond the coping ability of most people. "Difficult" should not mean "nigh impossible" (imho).

"The trick is to..." Absolutely agree.

So how do you "bring friends in" when your friends pretty much have their own agendas and schedules or if you don't have friends (the former is my case; the latter might be the case of some returnees and relatively new folk)? How do you find "the location you want to dig in" when you are being continually hounded by KP? I know a lot of people use alts, but for me and for many others alts are not an option.

I have the KP detection macro, I know how to track mats, I just can't get past the aggro and the dp. There's no advancement if you're digging off dp. The point that some of us are making is that the current case in PR gives an immense advantage to large guilds and even people in those are pointing out that getting drygulched again and again by KP while trying to get a boss gets tired.
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When I leveled my PR dig, I was leading Inflatable Friends, a guild with only 5 members at the time. I foraged completely solo, and this was long before I started actively using an alt. It was my singular toon. Before I'd set out to go digging, I put on my HA, geared myself for the max HP I could possibly have, and then ran into PR. I scouted the location of any given material I needed, based on their locations from the maps already in existance. I employed every skill available, and often ran out of Panic Buttons (MPA, Speed, Invul). Once I'd gotten to a location alive, I figured out a route around aggro, thru difficult places, and dug in corners of PR (in LoC, SC and FD) that are rarely touched by other hominkind. I died more times that I care to remember, but ulimately, I found ways to the places I needed to go. I always chose locations that were rarely bothered by the KP as well. It is possible. Yes, I sat through weather (with my trusty novel at my side). Yes, I sat thru the random KP threat, and always had places to hide from them when needed.

The point I make is that if you really want it, you can dig in PR without issue. Whether you have the dedication I did, to go where others won't and do things others don't, in effort to get the materials you need, that's entirely up to you. :)

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#18 Added by Soloreaper 1 decade ago [en] 

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remember we are talking about KPs! Some areas now have 3! The message above this sounds like it was done pre-KP.

#19 Added by Aeralin 1 decade ago [en] 

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Nope, I never dug pre-KP.

#20 Added by Liliang 1 decade ago [en] 

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I believe i speak for the 20 people who believe they should be left alone, that you should learn to kill them, or don't go into PR. :D

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#21 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en] 

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Liliang
The point I make is that if you really want it, you can dig in PR without issue. Whether you have the dedication I did, to go where others won't and do things others don't, in effort to get the materials you need, that's entirely up to you. :)

Your description does not make it sound like you dig in PR "without issue." Sounds to me like lots of issues, even now that you know where things are. It also sounds to me like you spent a lot of time not leveling anything while you were doing your leveling.

You've shared your technique with me before, and I've tried it. I die every time -- without getting anything. If the KP don't get me, the Vorax or 'pestas do. As I said earlier to Aeralin, I admire your ability, I just don't seem to be able to replicate the technique. I suspect that means that you have inadvertently left something out, something that seems "only natural" to you, so it isn't part of the "technique". Perhaps someday when I have exhausted other skills that I want to level, I'll try again. In the meantime I miss the beauty of Underspring and Abyss pre-KP.

Liliang
I believe i speak for the 20 people who believe they should be left alone, that you should learn to kill them, or don't go into PR. :D

Erm... I think that's a little unfair, Lili. You didn't kill them while you were solo leveling. Killing them, in fact, only causes them to instantly respawn, so it's counter-productive. I know how to kill them. It involves multiple high level people in a team and It doesn't help. Note that of the seven of us who didn't vote to "keep them as is", none of us voted to abolish them totally.

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P.S. -- I would like to point out to folk that you can see who voted for which option just by hovering your mouse over the poll. This seems to be an option, since I haven't seen it in other polls.

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#22 Added by Erizon(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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remember we are talking about KPs! Some areas now have 3! The message above this sounds like it was done pre-KP.

I remember hearing that Underspring had 7. That sounded high to me, until I personally observed SC having more than 3. If I were to guess, I'd say 3 for the north and 3 for the south. The KP in US seem to have a slightly bigger range than the other ones. That's a free tip.

LOTS of other people were able to level their PR dig to q250 during the KP times. It's not impossible -- in fact, it's quite easy if you know where to go and aren't stupid. Figure out what they did, and do the same.

Edit: PR isn't like digging in Void. Maybe I have a slightly different definition of "easy" given that I dug my first 250 in Loria, and loved it there. Void is the exception, not the rule.

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#23 Added by Stitch(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Where is the option for adding more KP? PR is really to easy of a place and needs some more danger added.

#24 Added by Liliang 1 decade ago [en] 

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+1 For more KPs,

Probably would be best if they beefed them up a bit too...Say 50k hp for each.

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My name is Lil, but you may call me Your Majesty. ;)

#25 Added by Soloreaper 1 decade ago [en] 

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Stitch
Where is the option for adding more KP? PR is really to easy of a place and needs some more danger added.

I added the other option for any other suggestions.

#26 Added by Stitch(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Stitch
Where is the option for adding more KP? PR is really to easy of a place and needs some more danger added.

I added the other option for any other suggestions.

Oh, well I voted keep them as is. Consider my vote to be for adding more.

#27 Added by Binarabi 1 decade ago [en] 

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I died lots whilst grinding PR and loved every minute - get bored digging anywhere else and I was usually alone - think it took me masses more time - but avoiding aggro is much more exciting down there

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This idea of "I'm offended". Well I've got news for you. I'm offended by a lot of things too. Where do I send my list? Life is offensive. You know what I mean? Just get in touch with your outer adult. (Bill Hicks)

#28 Added by Soloreaper 1 decade ago [en] 

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Bina, was that while there were KPs or not?

#29 Added by Erizon(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Bina, was that while there were KPs or not?

You make it sound like you don't believe it's possible to successfully dig PR because of the KP?

#30 Added by Soloreaper 1 decade ago [en] 

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Erizon
Soloreaper
Bina, was that while there were KPs or not?

You make it sound like you don't believe it's possible to successfully dig PR because of the KP?

It was a simple question, i dig PR with KP. So I know it is "slightly" possible.
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