Hello everyone, I would like to start off by saying that I am not really sure why I am writing this other than that I saw was something quite interesting and yet at the sometime extremely puzzling to me.  

Two days ago, the Dog's of War had declared on Wulfspack at which time one of their guild members complained to a completely separate guild leader for reasons unknown to myself since that guild did not actually declare but did eventually help with the attack. This same individual whined and cried that it was unfair to declare war at 02:00 Germany time and that when they were unable to defend and then threaten to send tickets to CSR's if we did not defend Phase#2 because that phase was from 01:00 thru 04:00. The individual also threaten to send tickets to the CSR's because we declared on 2 OP's at the sometime which he said was not fair because we could only attack 1 at a time and yet we were able to push both to phase#2. (Side note, we lost both OP's in Phase#2 but that is life and we had fun.) Also, this same individual threaten to send tickets if we declare again 48 hrs after the required cool-down period because he feels that we are just picking on them poor Wulfs. If a guild wants to spend money declaring war every 48 hrs as is allowed by the game mechanics and is willing to lose the money, why whine about it, play the game as is or go and play solitaire.

First, I thought that this was a global game where we are suppose to be a true "One Community" and not a community that revolves around France and Germany because in real life as i have been taught, war is not arranged by 2 countries to kill each-other so that they are on the same time zone and convenient for all. In life there is a strategy to everything that is done, either through peaceful negotiations or by force that is how the world works.

Second and this is where the "quite interesting and yet at the sometime extremely puzzling" comment comes into play. The 2 OP's are Q50 which as i understand it are really for F2P and Newbies (as well as Q100/Q150) but mostly F2P and yet when it can to the defense stage from the Kami-side, there were 15 Masters all wearing PvP Armor/ NPC Armor, wearing PvP jewels and using boosted weapons against 7 toons (4 of which are masters and 3 f2p) wearing what i guess could be describe as "street-clothes" and just having fun. Not a single person from the Wulfspack was online because someone logged Alex using his account details, had him sit in the corner afk and could not even bother to defend the very OP that they threaten to ticket Us for declaring on. There is no logical reason for what amounts to almost 2 full teams of masters; armed to the teeth to defend 2 OP's that they do not even use the mats nor require in any of their guilds other then the simple fact that what I have been hearing is true, the Kami faction is greedy and are afraid of losing the limited control they currently hold. That fear and greed will be their undoing if that faction continues down the current path. 

Finally, I will leave with this last thought, if you do not want people to see your dirty laundry, do not leave it on the clothes hanger 

Thank you, Soyeok :-) Happy Dog and Ranger-in-Training

Si les raison de ces attaque sont juste faire chier le monde oui cela est condamnable.
Si c'est pour juste s'amuser il n'y a rien à dire et on as pas à se plaindre
Dans se cas si les menace dépasse le stade de jeu et de s'amuser et se cacher derrière se poste est lamentable.
Les dog on été trop loins dans leur agissement et ne déclaré les ap que pour embêter le monde en menaçant le joueur et non l'avatar. C'est cela que vous voulez??

I don't know if you're truly naive, or just pretending to be to play the role of the victim. But I think it's the latter.

Zatarga sent a mail to the guild Grave of the Fireflies in which he states in no unclear terms that he's going to declare their OPs every 2 days to cause them as much trouble as possible as a "revenge" for one of their members being responsible for attacking and taking his beloved OP 50 in the Jungle. That's harassment. And this is exactly what you guys are threatening to do against Wulfpack now (the guild that eventually got his former OP in a transfer). Attacking them every 2 days with no hope of winning just because Zatarga is throwing one of his famous hissy fits.

I can cut and paste Zatarga's mail here if you want. It's currently displayed in a post at the kami forum (and I think other forums as well, such as civ neutral). After all, if you do not want people to see your dirty laundry, do not leave it on the clothes hanger.

Also, Alex was there, it was not someone else using her account. She was active for 95% of the war and then had to afk at the end. She was talking in kami chat, team chat, league chat, etc. She was present in both phases. And in phase 1, Tomstato was online and present as well. So please get your facts straight first before making these public posts.

To be clear, we are talking about this?

The irony of that being MJ gave the OP to Alex as was planned in kami forums, but here we are.

Good day everyone, i do have the facts all straight and if you would like me to completely embaress the toon in question I can publicly post his whining but unlike the 2 of you (Rikutatis and Sygmus) I have more class and diginity but if you push me I will and I would like to see you 2 back-trail. 

It is very easy to take a portion of a mail with the entire context and post it but the individuals involved were wrong and I see no one from that Grave guild commenting on this. It seems that by your actions above, no one can truly fight their own battles, that if the Grave guild wanted to comment they would have instead they sent their big-bad Celestai guild to do their crying for them.

Now, as stated before, you want me to stoop to your level and conpletely embaress this toon, I will but maybe you should get all of your facts straight before posting something that you are not fully aware of.

Soyeok - Happy Dog :-) Ranger-in-Training

This is a non-issue to begin with; the faction alliances are not something new, a multi-master guild may help defend a level 50 OP if it belongs to their faction, regardless of how useful the materials are to them. Do you feel the karavan should stand idle if kami or maras attack Greenvale, the q50 greslin OP currently in the hands of Placio?

Alexarwe has helped several newcomers with gear made using OP mats. To the best of my knowledge, this is consistent behaviour on Wulfpack's part, not just a few random acts. In this light, I believe they're very well fit to own those 2 OPs, much more than DoW.

The issue of ticketing and counter-ticketing already has a history. The guild "The Outsiders", some months ago, declared on several OPs in a row, despite the obvious fact that they could not win phase 2 with only two members in any way; moreover, they would do so at hours similar to yours, when 4/5 of the playerbase is fast asleep. I'm sure anyone can understand how a person could draw a parallel line between TO and DoW, all things considered?

Personally I believe it's not ok to throw threats of reporting right off the bat at DoW - but I quite understand where everyone doing it is coming from. I assume you could have simply brushed them off, and if they continued you could have raised tickets yourselves about *that* harassment?

GotF has no reason to comment in an official manner. Our name and standing is simply accessory to the discussion.

Rikutatis noticed there is an instance where your guild threatened harassment against another, yet you rush to the forums when you're the subject of threats (from a single individual, wow, such importance). I would like to presume that you understand how giving examples is relevant to a discussion.

Duì cūlǔ de rén jīnglì bù zhídé huā

I was really hoping to stay out of this as I'm not a fan of squabbling, and even less intersted in getting involved in fights that I have no stake in, but I can't hold my tongue any longer.

I take that is a sign that you do not wish to communicate in any meaningful manner. Because while these forums are multilingual, they really only handle English, French, German, Russian and Spanish; they don't handle Asian languages.

If you do not wish to communicate, then that demonstrates that you have no sincere desire for resolution and merely wish to prolong (and possibly escalate) the conflict.

I think I speak for most homins when I say this; nobody like a drama queen. I surely don't, yet it seems that you are seeking drama rather than any sort of reddress for grievances. If I am wrong, then prove it. At the very least, don't beg for compensation without showing why you deserve it, and don't use a language nobody here but you speaks when you are fully capable of using a language that most of us understand.

What (if any) language is that? I thought I knew what it is, but it doesn't make sense.

Please keep the discussion in line with this rule:
1. You must express yourself in a clear way and act as a polite and civilized individual.

It has been a while since I assigned stable cleaning duty for upsetting the forums and some of the stables in Zora are in desperate need of some shoveling, any volunteers?

The only online translators I found that made sense of any of it pegged it as Vietnemese, and even they could only make out a few words. Something about compensation with one translator saying something about "tiptoe" and "gingerly". Most of the text was unable to be translated though, so the meaning of the post is hard to discern.

"Pinyin, or Hanyu Pinyin, is the official phonetic system for transcribing the Mandarin pronunciations of Chinese characters into the Latin alphabet in the People's Republic of China, Taiwan (Republic of China),[1] and Singapore. It is often used to teach Standard Chinese and a pinyin without diacritic markers is often used in foreign publications to spell Chinese names familiar to non-Chinese and may be used as an input method to enter Chinese characters into computers."

I tried that and, well, it wasn't any better. Only one translator even managed to touch it at all, and every word had up to 6 possible translations. The only unambigous words there is cūlǔ, which is "crude".

Using a little deduction to eliminate utterly nonsensical constructs, "Crude group of people experience not (terrified/intimidated) breeds morality (flower/blossom)" is about as sensible a combination of possibilities amongst those presented. Add a little punctuation, adjust for grammar, and the first few words could read, "Crude people, I am not scared of you.", which would fit the tone of their other posts.

However, I'm not 100% confident in either the online translator or my own picking amongst the possiblities, so I'm hesitant to say for certain that that is their intent. I am pretty sure that it was deliberately obscured though, quite likely because printing it in a language that anyone present here actually understood would result in a deleted post and someone shovelling mek dung.

Seemingly he wanted to express exactly that. I would understand it in the way that he says one does not need to talk to rude people.

Not that I want to interfere in the discussion which does not interest me too much, or comment on the statement proper.

Hey ;). I have only to say to Soyeok -> ridiculous .
I say if you have NO CHANCE AGAIN, AGAIN and AGAIN, THAN i will write a ticket ;).
I just could advice you to take the Game seriously. Its just a Game not more! And pls dont tell lies that I wasnt at the Ops or someone other logged in, thx ;P

So I wish all a good evening ;)


P.S. I had asked you for GvG ,but you had no interest in 4vs4. or 5vs5 :P