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All of this drama started over some supposed cheating by using a 3rd party software to run multiple toons. So far there's been crying about: people being too good at playing, alts ruining role play, alts causing the game to not be played "correctly", teams of alts taking NPC bosses, alts causing one side to have the upper hand at OPs and now we've come around to toons new to a guild shouldn't have access to ammo from an OP during a battle.

What the actual F? Those of you that are butt-hurt need to stop and just play your own toon your own way. Because what it really boils down to is that some of you think your way is the only way. That's not how it is.

The real problem, AGAIN, is that the use of 3rd party programs needs to be dealt with and stopped at the client level.

please don't remove this link and say its irrelevant

Control of multiple characters in OP Battles.

this topic was dealt with previously by the community manager and CSR, people using multiple toon's was at the heart of the problem, the answer as to how players are so coordinated is within that thread.

Heh, went and read a bit of the thread that Nitrouss referenced.

Thought it was kind of funny that Beeficus was one of the complainers and for this current thread he was the target of accusations.

And the wheel keeps turning...

Yes, we went through this all before on Arispotle. The CSRs/Devs refused to do anything about the botters, and in response we leveled our own alts to try to even the playing field. It wasn't until the alts affected non-English speaking players that anything was done upon the merging of the servers (at first, being told controlling any more than 1 toon was a bannable offense which was a hilarious twist, then the 4 account limit was settled on.) To turn around and change the rules again after all of the work put into developing characters to play within the rules because the French are complaining is the issue. As Beef stated earlier in the thread, we have talked it over and are fine with whatever the devs decide on. Our faction losing 4 toons total is not going to turn the tides of war. But the bias has and continues to be on display from those making these decisions.

Haven't commented on this because to be completely honest I hardly care. I like to dig with 4 toons. 2 dig masters, 2 cp. PvP on the other hand, is much more fun for me with 1 toon. Here's my opinion.

What I'd like to see is op wars where it's players vs players. Not 30 players vs 30 players + 30 alts (or more).

Really don't care what people do in pve, or even open world pvp. But alts should be banned from ops at the very least.

For those who say it doesn't create an advantage.. you have 4 toons healing or 4 toons nuking at one time. Even to coordinate 4 players to have a targetted nuke would be very hard to sync like these players with their alts do at ops, and one shotting someone on the opposite side who cannot damage you because he is a single toon and you have 3 toons healing your main is not fair nor balanced one bit.

With that being said, I even took an alt to this last OP war, and sure I had a blast, but it was very difficult for anyone to kill me cuz i could easily alt tab and heal myself. Doesn't make for really balanced pvp dynamics.

My vote is, ban alts for OP wars, let people use them outside of OP wars.

OR

Set a cap to amount of toons per op battle. Say, 30 toons max for example, then whether they are alts or not wouldn't matter.

Its not just the French who have issues with multiboxing.  I understood from the RF meeting that the devs were concerned about the addition of new content in game that could be executed by a single player and their 3 alts.

However, putting aside the impact of multiboxing on PvE elements of the game, this disucssion has undoubtedly focused heavily on the PvP aspects of the game.

Crailus you state that you don't believe losing 4 alt toons will change anything.  I myself noted a number of players who had 3 toons on follow from the Kara faction at the last OP.  IF losing these toons is not in your opinion going to result in a difference then why bring them?

In any case I strongly believe that the number of toons that appeared to be used as alts in use at that last OP was a lot more than 4.

I can appreciate that an alt cp can be very helpful, however, I really want to understand from those players who bring 2+ alts to OP battles why you do this?  Why did you decided to bring not just 1, maybe not just 2 but 3 to the last OP battle at Gu-Quin?

Personally I believe it gives you an advantage to do so - you can so you do it - you don't care it gives you an advantage.

I also dont buy some of the justifications I have heard on this thread (about PvP elements) including that it is a challenege and even some arguing that alts dont give you an advantage at all.  It certainly gave you an advantage last OP, so much so that one of your faction put it like this:



On a last point regarding the time and effort that people spend leveling their alts and how all this will go to waste, its funny that quite a lot of the "alts" are old players who clearly do not play any longer.

**DEL** Irrelevant - Non pertinent

I am the multiboxing worst case scenario!

Is there a title for that? :D



In all seriousness, if I can do this in war without getting my collective butts handed to me you are all so scroooooood.

give him the title of noobie!!!! :D
yeah noobie that will work, just focus madness your 4 toons so you wipe your own side out xD

Adding my voice to those who have argued that a two-toon limit has no rational justification. One and many are rational options, but two is just arbitrary.

My preference is for a one-toon limit, and this is why:
The reason I play an MMO rather than a single-player game is that I want to play with other people. I want it to be a social experience. But if everyone else is playing with their own alts, they have no need to play with me.

your argument would be vaid if the game had a massive population... mmorpg stand for....massive multiplayer online roleplaying game. ryzom has maybe 200 players at max, different factions, time zones and languages.. most times its hard to even find a team.

I draw the opposite conclusion from the same facts. The fewer people there are online, the more imperative it is that they play together rather than alone.

i consider this an MMO in the sense of Minimally Multiplayer .. especially in my timezone. I use one unsubbed second account and that lets me level and dig at a reasonable rate. Searching around every day for someone at the right level to train with is unrealistic. I agree with fleetwood that the game *should* be about cooperating to achieve stuff, but I also agree with nitrouss that it is too small and the current population too unfriendly to insist that people don't use alts