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I just had this idea. Maybe on RF meeting, we can ask for creating a pad where players could put the buggy missions for review.
And maybe, at ryzom team level, they can 1) fix the mission 2) remove it from the game.

Moniq (since she/he is very involved in bug report and testing) might be interested by such datas.

I think it could be usefull ... since ryzom team members will never have the time to go through all the missions by themselves (too many missions, not enough people who don't have the time for this anyway).

Missions are very similar to each other, removing (let say) 200 of them won't remove 'content' for players.

Quand on survole la mission avec la souris dans le carnet de missions, un code apparait (par exemple C001V005_2268) désignant la mission, code à reporter pour signaler une mission buguée (Merci Ulukyn)

I can imagine that actually removing uncompleteable missions could lead to unforeseen domino effects. It might be advisable to instead simply not offer such missions. Eventually some of them might become again fully functional, at which time the mission need merely be again offered. (i hope i am making sense to the devs and you others)

I am interested in broken missions, yes. I collect them on bugs board.

Discuss it on RF meeting is a good idea.

Okay but who's gonna fix them?

Que tu crois :P

So... you suggest to give up my part of the work?

(hopes that Moniq keep up the good work 8) )

Nah bless your work, we always need people taking care of old books even if less and less read them nowadays

But yeah, who's gonna fix them?

@Sinvaders - I'll have to start keeping better documentation then. I can say that it seems that the only ones I can recall having issues with were all in Lakes. However, I haven't done enough to know if that's actual data or merely happenstance/coincidence.
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@Rissa - Much of the complaining about reducing NH rewards had to do with there being no viable way to get any form of points that were usable to purchase things like potatoes or (especially) sap crystals. The 1800-point occupations were replaced with missions that took three times as long for less than half the rewards. Unless you work 90 hours a week for a mere $3 (2,71‎€) per hour, I think you can see the problem. While the Daily Mission system is a bit flawed at present, at least there are missions that take less than an hour that earn something that can be traded for an amount of products that makes it worth taking missions. And one plus side is that Neutrals do not get their rewards reduced by 50-75% for RP-ing a lack of nationalism.
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@Moniq - While it would be good to bring up at the meetings, I don't know of many people who are willing to take Monday off of work to attend. So unless the meetings are moved from Monday to Sunday, there's an entire continent that will only be able to discuss such ideas on the forums. Just something to keep in mind ;)

Me and 4 pages of other folks. Have any alternate suggestions on how to spend my time ? I'm all ears.

But the obvious answer to the question is, it says "Choose a reward from the ***four*** listed above. There's only three listed above..

@ Rissa:

Perhaps this will help

1. As per previous posts, and the announcement (link in adv stats' tab) the value ratio of Elyps is 100 to 1 ... so 400 from the Kitin invasion is equal to 4 Elyps. I do the 7 missions in about 40 minutes that nets me 126 Elyps ... or 12,600 from old kitin invasion which, using your 20-30 minutes (chose 25) = 787.5 minutes worth of invasion.

2. The dapper / fame rewards are what they are in the missions ... these are not new missions. Walk into any tribe camp or find wandering NPC and these are the missions you get. The DM system randomly chooses 7 missions from the 11,000 missions in game. For example, the Outlands Supplier in Cuzans Camp... pays big in fame w/ delivery missions, butt small dapper rewards. The guy near him has only craft missions ... he pays out 3 million if ya do all his missions

3. Without the bonuses, I got 12, with full bonus I got 18 ... it shows right on my screen that I am getting a 20% bonus. I get a bonus on each mission .... if I complete 7 , I get 7 x 17 ... if i do 5, I get 5 x 18. If I'm getting extra somehow, I didn't notice. By my reading, the bonus is set by the preference choices not how many missions you do... if you restrict the options in any way, your bonus is cut down ... have all options open, you get full bonus.

4. I agree on the giant window pop up that obscures the entire screen. It does get in the way and often takes a few tries to close.

5. As for the nation points ... to my eyes that was not only unfair but far, far, to generous. The person with 100 fame gets 4 x the person with 50-50-50-50 fame ? In short, it was a gift for the factioned that no one else can get ... if you're in the faction you love it. But frankly, at best this was a gift ... to my eyes, far too much reward for far too little effort, tho not officially designated as such ... I saw it as an exploit. Those kind of rewards were extremely unbalances compared to any other path in game.

Most of these issues I addressed in previous post

@ Gidget:

1. Just to give you a bit of optimism ... I have found every NPC in every mission with little trouble. Granted if you ever worked tribe fame chasing "Spirit of Sally Field" title, you probably have them all flagged on map. If not, it's going to be a bit more of a challenge. Otherwise a) BM map will find most locations that they frequent b) silenda will have a few more. I have a tribe macro that I have adopted from days of doing tribe fame. It's basically the same as the ole Boss macro. I select all the missions in one region .... replace the NPC names from last bunch with the new ones, then check the usual spots while spamming the macro if I don't find right away.

2. As for occupations .... Here's my approach. Day 1 collect 24 MC mats, improve them, practice 6 times ... I now have 6 x 24 mats, quit and take a new OCC. Day 2 rinse and repeat with WC, quit and take a new occ. Day 3 rinse and repeat with Florist, quit and take a new occ. So basically... Im doing 1 occupation a day between the 20 minute puzzle pieces ... and I get 144 things to hand in every day. Then I take a break for a while ... Of course, this means that for quite some time every time you land in FH, Ykr and Zora, ya stop by and grab waters, flowers and ambers.

3. There are a few missions that can not be completed .... i.e. "Kill Kidniak" or can't be reasonably completed (by 1 or 2 players) ... i.e kill super herbie. I have been reporting these as encountered for about 2 years. They are "quite rare".



I was able to ease into this because have been doing tribe missions since spring. So I can understand that it is a bit trying at first. But OTOH ... life before NH was fine ... It seems it made us all a bit fat and lazy. Like having a no show political job.... "All I had to do is walk out to the mailbox and grab the check and show up once a week ... now they expect me to show up every day ... that's ridiculous !


Personally, I am finding this a lot more rewarding ... areas I always avoided before because of unfamiliarity (Upper Bog), Bounty Beaches, Western EI) I am now comfy in because having to go there gave me an opportunity to find safe zones, recognize migration patterns that I am now able to enjoy more of the game than I did before ...

But hey, I'm more of a "It's the journey not the destination" kinda guy.


As to what you can buy with the Elyps ..... assumes 250 toon.

- DP Wipe (100 Elyps) ... Would not use under any circumstances ... Id use MakDuh / Jena option or dig 5 nodes.  That's 80% if Daily Mission Effort

- Stack of Wundahmat (780 Elyps) ... way, way, way, way overpriced.

- Stack of Cats  (320) .... Useless.   The existence of 200 and 250 cats on this makes no sense.   They are free.

- Stack of Crystals (120) - Seemes extremely cheap compared to the others.

- Register Animal in your name (100) - Seems fair

- Random Naming of Animal (50) - I don't get it

- Name your animal (4773).... 2000 seems fair, current price will set a goal for those wanting to be the 1st on the block.  Price will go dow over time ... ws 4774 so down 1 for me so far !

Probably should have some guidelines here ... character limitations, things we don't want to see ... Since Mek's are Atys' "Donkeys / Jackasses ... prolly don't wanna see names like "My Fat Ass".

As to the mission types ... the only concern I have here is the "impossible Missions Force" ones.... Yes, certainly going out into Loria and looking for a Kidniak is truly impossble".   OTOH, I don't see folks doing these missions in team.   So going out to kill a couple of Super Herbies (Bolobi, Shallah, Ploderos), while possible .... with tons of eggs, potions, etc., ... it is equivalent to Tom Cruise and the Impossible Missions Force.  As for the occupations part ... certainly, every occupation can easily enough be completed by a solo player.  The "kill 4 Ploderos in Kitin Lair" is however equivalent to the super herbie assignment ... folks will just keep abandoning the mission till they get something more practical.

@Freddy - I've found the ones in the Jungle and Forest no problem. RNG has not yet given me any such missions in the desert. However, every single such mission I've had in Loria has had issues. Every. Single. One. There was one where the NPC was not in either BM nor Silenda and I found him after spending half the night looking, and three where they were not found, period. I went back and forth from their startign spot, in ever widening sweeps, then along the other cost of the lake, then from WoM portal to the Kami TP with a bit of zig-zagging.... nothing. And unlike the other regions, the compass was useless. One odd coincidence though; had they not been dailies, they would all have been from Ba'Duffy Aeddan. If you can do the 7 missions in under 40 minutes then you must not be getting any from Ba'Duffy! Maybe the last patch that borked the compass erased those NPCs?

As for occupations, collecting enough to practice 6 times takes me longer than I have many nights; 4 times (16 of each; 32 total) is more normal for me since I can't run 500m in under 12 seconds. Looking at the payout for turning produce in as a daily, I feel better off leaving all 8 boxes unchecked. And when the attempt to make people do more missions has people stop doing missions, your attempt has failed in ways that should send you back to the drawing board instead of being doubled down on.

Regarding killing super-herbis, I've only had those twice... in the last three days. Sure, that may not sound bad, but when you consider that there's only been three days that I even bothered trying Dailies at all, I'm thinking that they may not be so rare after all. Sure, maybe I was unlucky, but if I get one more before 2020, I will wonder what definition of "quite rare" you have in mind; I think of it as well under the percentage I'm at right now.

Your talk about pre-NH is just begging for an "Okay, Boomer.". Sure, back in your day you earned 12 dappers for missions that took you 3 days and you loved it, but it's 2606 now and there are a lot of folks who started out in a different Atys than the one of your youth. More importantly though, every attempt to fix the economy that I've seen so far has been a drastic over-correction that tries to fix all the problems in too short a time, often to the point of feeling like we're being railroaded EVEN MORE THAN WE ALREADY ARE. It's bad enough that not being a nationalist cuts your rewards by 75%, or that not worshipping a higher power causes issues with transportation that the "I luv 2 wolk!" crowd who publicly lament the existence of TPs see as an upside, but many of the attempted economic corrections just add to the being jerked around at the whim of others that I play games to (try to) take a break from.

I find skipping the missions and running nekkid into a kincher spawn more rewarding. I get paid about the same half the time, and I have a lot more fun. When death is preferable to daily missions, it's safe to say that daily missions need a bit of work.