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#24 Report | Quote[en] 

Jahuu
I hope you guys realize you're kinda spoiled for complaining/being disapointed about presents you are getting.

Be glad that the Ryzom team try to make our holidays to have some OOC elements and fun egg whackings, instead of crying that there is no 10M dropping eggs, what if next year there is no eggs at all, because all we do is complain about them?

I might sound like a broken record, but cheer up guys and come to whack some eggs, or campfires, or whipped desserts ;P

Why not offer both? Invul, Speed etc eggs plus token plus dapper plus... with a chance each. Egg hunting should be a surprise imho.

+1 first post

arc

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#25 Report | Quote[en] 

Kaetemi
In a sense, the lore as it stands should be respected by the official channels, and should be coherently moved forward.
Agreed. However, I'd like to go a step further and have Atys actually evolve. Our own world has changed considerably in the last century, yet Atys still has the same borders and factions. There was a discussion elsewhere about one such possibility being to roll with the rift in the Ryzom community by redrawing faction lines and having the "traditionalists" who felt their way of life (fanatical worship of Jena/Ma'Duk) being threatened by the more secular/globalist "hominists" (Marauders and Rangers who do not revere the Higher Powers or governments, as well as those Kami/Kara who do not see their faction as a valid reason to hate others) who seek to move forward instead simply replaying the past over and over and over and over again with no meaningful difference between 2603 and 2503. It would surely break the status quo we've had for far too long!
Kaetemi
Now, on the other side, there are portions of the lore which are not historical fact, but beliefs. Or that may be historical tales, but could be easily believed to contain fantasies, or that are very much up to interpretation. It's absolutely fair for a homin to believe that the Kami are crazy monsters made by the Karavan that created the Kitin to destroy us all; it doesn't change any lore. It's totally acceptable for a homin to write fictions about the private life of Jena.
That is fair, but what is unfair is when players break the CoC under the, "But I'm just role-playing!" flag, or when those who hold such beliefs try to get the devs to alter game mechanics in a way that punishes those who are not as fervent. Those sorts of behaviors drive a lot of people away from the RP aspect of the game.
Heernis
Dynamic Kitin Invasion will come! It is now in testing
YAY!
Kaetemi
There's a problem of accessibility here. Most people aren't in-game 24/7. There's no friendly chronicles or bulletin board to be found that sequentially narrates and informs players of storyline developments. The lore wiki is literally stuck in the 2550's. New and returning players can't catch up, and have no clue what's going on, and may fairly assume everything is abandoned. Where are the chroniclers?
I see quite a bit of more recent stuff, but nearly none of it is in English.

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#26 Report | Quote[en] 

.. passing by....

Change your tune Gidget, don't be a hater, life is good take a tea.

Kaetemi
I spent a while hunting eggs.
Feeling disappointed, almost sad.
Apparently the Ryzom endgame is getting tokens to gamble.

Did laugh at this actually nice one, and true ;)
Let's hope it will change this year with the future releases
But one thing sure, if one just want to hunt eggs and chat, you cannot force him to do otherwise :P

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#27 Report | Quote[en] 

Gidget
Our own world has changed considerably in the last century, yet Atys still has the same borders and factions. There was a discussion elsewhere about one such possibility being to roll with the rift in the Ryzom community by redrawing faction lines and having the "traditionalists" who felt their way of life (fanatical worship of Jena/Ma'Duk) being threatened by the more secular/globalist "hominists" (Marauders and Rangers who do not revere the Higher Powers or governments, as well as those Kami/Kara who do not see their faction as a valid reason to hate others) who seek to move forward instead simply replaying the past over and over and over and over again with no meaningful difference between 2603 and 2503. It would surely break the status quo we've had for far too long!
In my opinion, the sudden half-assed introduction (NPE way back) of the neutral-proclaimed Rangers (and Silan) caused much of the derailing of the story progression, in terms of the civilization and faction storytelling.

And I honestly have absolutely no clue what the coherent background story of the Rangers and the Marauders is, at this point. I do not understand why they somehow get to be treated any more privileged than any of the other dozens of tribes that already preceded their existence.

As far as I know, the Rangers are mostly working against tribes such as the Cholorogoo (and Black Circle, and so on) who attempt to make use of the goo for nefarious purposes (biased point of view). The Cholorogoo are aligned with the Karavan, with whom they share the same interest in the goo, and are against the Kami, who fight against the goo. Ideologically, that makes the Rangers clearly aligned with Kami goals (fighting the goo, keeping Kitins in check, taking care of Atys,) and not so much neutral.

Keep in mind, there's still a difference in being aligned with a faction's ideals, versus worshiping Ma-Duk and Jena.

While I'm under the impression that the Rangers are being sold as "neutral", and they do seem to be relatively neutral towards civilizations, it's clear that they do favour the Kami over the Karavan. Their role of being the sole starter island welcomers sadly dilutes the Kami story into a supposedly neutralist point of view.

In the Tryker mission on Silan, you are made to fight against the Cholorogoo. Clearly, the Trykers don't like the goo very much. Especially, considering Still Wyler was killed by the Black Circle using a goo infected weapon. The Black Circle, being also graciously aided by the Karavan in their goals. It surprises me, then, that the Karavan altars are still being tolerated in the Tryker cities. Perhaps a seasonal reshuffling of teleport altars and respawn points (based on storyline progression) is in order. Perhaps some villages should deviate from the state religion as well.

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Sudden? I know giving those whose status was, for many years, strictly RP (Marauder and Ranger) their own rites and TP systems, and otherwise treating them as viable alternatives to Jena/Ma'Duk that were not handicaps the way Neutral is threw a lot of folks. It seems that many are still all, "How dare the devs treat the non-binary as equal to us!". But if treating those who choose a path other than either Jena or Ma'Duk with respect derailed the story then maybe the story needed to be derailed as it was headed someplace worse than where we are now.

I don't know how you get "Cholorogoo are aligned with Karavan" or "same interest in the goo", but that might be me not sharing your bias. The Chlorogoo are independent, and their reasons for studying Goo are different from why the Karavan does it. As for the goo-studying tribes that actually are Karavan, it's a little more complicated, but the simple version is that the Karavan will support any tribe who wants to help them study how best to defeat Goo. Of course, that support automatically earns the enmity of the Kami because... umm... reasons? (It's silly to me as I expected that those who claim to seek to save Atys from Goo would be less hostile towards those who also seek to save Atys from Goo, but I suppose giving arbitrary reasons to hate each other is more important than saving the rootball or it's inhabitants :/) In any event, the Rangers see both Karavan and Kami as sharing a common goal when it comes to protecting Atys from Goo. And wondering how the Trykers still tolerate Karavan altars in their cities simply because a criminal of questionable sanity was a member of a tribe that assists the Karavan in their research is such a stretch that it borders on satire.

In any event, it's exactly that sort of thing that has lead to many rejecting the false dichotomy and going Mara/Ranger even before they were given rites and teleports. You cannot have progress without change, so I must wonder is those who are against change really want progress at all, or whether they simply want to turn the clock back to 2006 and live in a time-loop.

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#29 Report | Quote[en] 

Gidget
Sudden? I know giving those whose status was, for many years, strictly RP (Marauder and Ranger) their own rites and TP systems, and otherwise treating them as viable alternatives to Jena/Ma'Duk that were not handicaps the way Neutral is threw a lot of folks.
Please enlighten me how tribes received godly powers. I seem to be missing a portion of the story progression. (And perhaps we should make a new thread... :) )

Gidget
I don't know how you get "Cholorogoo are aligned with Karavan"
"Chlorogoos Karavan Agent"

Gidget
In any event, the Rangers see both Karavan and Kami as sharing a common goal when it comes to protecting Atys from Goo.
I guess we and the Rangers are all stuck in different versions of the 2530's.

Let's quote some lore. Karavan: "Consolidate and extend their influence over homins", Kami: "Recruit Homins to their cause". Neither really care about homins, other than using them for their goals.

Now on the Karavan vs. Kami: "Kamis represent serious rivals. Not only [...], but they are also resistant to the [Karavan]'s technology." And here's what's written about the Goo: "The Kami are powerless against it. What's more, they are extremely vulnerable to it. I've seen with my own eyes a Kami being sucked up by the Goo before I could intervene."

The Karavan aid tribes which study the Goo. Regardless what the Kami or Karavan tell you about getting rid of the Goo (tales vs. facts)... Any guess where the story could've been heading?

Regardless of whether you like them or not, the relationship between them and the homins is symbiotic. They use the homins for their needs, homins use them for transport and resurrection. That's a fair deal.

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Kaetemi
Regardless of whether you like them or not, the relationship between them and the homins is symbiotic. They use the homins for their needs, homins use them for transport and resurrection. That's a fair deal.

I will add: Even if you are "religious neutral" (including true neutral, rangers and marauders), it's still the high powers who resurrect homins.

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I am not disappointed. I like the event items visual, those little white spots are not that disturbing as eggs used to be. Thanks!

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