Abolish artificial restriction "Fraction/Nation<->Guild - Refused

#72 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en]

Fyrosfreddy

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Except, Tryton doesn't have the resources for resurrecting people (it does require energy...), so homins still have to grudgingly pander to one of the higher powers for that privilege

I don't think I understand ... in the 6 months I have been gone, have Rangers / neutrals been denied healing spells or respawn points ?

There is only the high powers who can resurrect homins. Nobody is denied to respawn ... it's just the high who is resurrecting you (even if you are rangers/neutral or marauder) and you don't have the choice about this fact (but I don't think it's an information that homins knows).

#73 Added by Moniq 5 years ago [en]

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After the Ranger rite I was told that Oflovak's road (where the rite is situated) is the only place where Rangers provide ressurection (there are special rescue ranger teams for that). High Powers have no altairs nor camps in that wild area. All other ressurection services are providided by High Powers only (generally, in all New Lands and in those parts of Old Lands that were (originally) open for homins by High Powers.

However, after respawn points were added to (some) Ranger pathway nodes, I heard the ressurection there is done by ?mysterous ?vortex somewhere ?on pathway ... ???

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#74 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [fr]

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Vortex resurrection is provided by high powers as well.

#75 Added by Revvy 5 years ago [en]

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Moniq

After the Ranger rite I was told that Oflovak's road (where the rite is situated) is the only place where Rangers provide ressurection (there are special rescue ranger teams for that). High Powers have no altairs nor camps in that wild area.

How can Homins resurrect by themselves ?

It is a bit easy in my opinion, Ranger should not have the technology to resurrect Homins, not even the energy for it.

To mention here, a resurrection implies a death, so no coma.
No healing, it is a destruction of the cells and reconstruction with post-traumatic result in some case.

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#76 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [fr]

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To my knowledge (I don't know much about Ranger lore characters) only Marung/Nung Horongi have been able to resurrect without the help of the high powers.

#77 Added by Moniq 5 years ago [en]

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I lack any information to most latest changes. So, does anyone know who provides ressurection on pathways? And who all could be able to? Sivanders is first I see speaking about, after long time. The only I know is from fragments of conversation or rumors. Rangers used to be source of news but there was no meeting for a long time.

Revvy

How can Homins resurrect by themselves ?

It is a bit easy in my opinion, Ranger should not have the technology to resurrect Homins, not even the energy for it.

We can discuss if Kami have technology to ressurect, however I know nothing about lifeseed care. I just tell how it was explained to me and I am unable to validate any of those information. The fact is that there are no High Powers nor Vortex on the Oflovak's road...

However this is off topic here, better to create other thread. (so please do not reply)

#78 Added by Fyrosfreddy 5 years ago [fr]

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But ike all things Ryzom (almost), ... allaraces, factions, jools, etc. the underlying precept is "no classes, no nerfs" ... Each choice you make has no "overall" downsisde. A Fyris toon has a natural resistence to one type of spell, each race is resistant to another in an equal amount. No enalties for making a choice. The Lore is fashioned differently to fit that precept.

The mara didn't have transport system ... so one was made ***and here's the important part*** lore created to make it "equal opportunity". Perhaps not perfect but that is the underlying goal. The differences make it interesting, but in the end , that underlying precept is no advanatges / no penalties when all is considered.

So if the lore isn't complying with that ... it's the lore that needs to be evolve to do so rather than the other way around ... unless of course other chnages are instituted to offset any advantage / disadvantage.

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#79 Added by Placio 5 years ago [en]

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We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

#80 Added by Fyrosfreddy 5 years ago [fr]

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I think the ressurrection is powered by the entity that processes our credit card payments and PayPal. If my toon dies ... for good ... I would not wanny to regrind all my dig skills :)

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#81 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en]

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Placio

We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

No, it's still the high powers. And they resurrect every homin because they need them. That's it.

#82 Added by Placio 5 years ago [en]

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#kamipropaganda

#83 Added by Luminatrix 5 years ago [en]

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Sinvaders

Placio
We had a late night Uni talk similar to this... Who provides the ressurection at respawn points not connected to any cult? like portals, etc.. My proposal was that there are natural Atys respawns but the system has been copied/hijacked by higher powers to artificially create more spawn/teleport locations.

No, it's still the high powers. And they resurrect every homin because they need them. That's it.

That's what the higher powers say happens but how do we know they're telling the truth? It's not like religious cults tend to lie about the subject of their worship being able to perform miracles or anything...

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#84 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [fr]

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No. It's really always the high powers who is resurrecting homins.
Players characters can think it's not the high powers etc.... but the truth is what I say: always the high powers and they why they are doing it is because they need homins regardless of their alignment.
Maybe in the ranger background their is a corner case too. (as said previously Horongi's have been able to resurrect without the powers help ... but no-one else and this powerfull ability is NOT playable by players.)

#85 Added by Luminatrix 5 years ago [fr]

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No. It's really always the high powers who is resurrecting homins.
Players characters can think it's not the high powers etc.... but the truth is what I say: always the high powers and they why they are doing it is because they need homins regardless of their alignment.
Maybe in the ranger background their is a corner case too. (as said previously Horongi's have been able to resurrect without the powers help ... but no-one else and this powerfull ability is NOT playable by players.)

Is there any proof of it being this way besides "it's true because I said it's true"? I've read most of the existing lore and I don't remember any.

For all we know, there might be sources of magic capable of resurrecting Homins on Atys (not that far-fetched, considering most Homins can cast magic spells) that the higher powers have simply taken control of.

It could easily be that they need homins so they hijacked the resurrection magic and claim it to be their own. Of course, this is just my perspective, as I like the idea of them not being more sinister than they let on. Just saying we don't actually know whether the power to resurrect has always been exclusively theirs or not.

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"Without contraries, there is no progression" - William Blake

#86 Added by Revvy 5 years ago [en]

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Luminatrix

Is there any proof of it being this way besides "it's true because I said it's true"? I've read most of the existing lore and I don't remember any.

Yes, the Lore slash/ Lore Team.

Since you are marauder i think, you may want to ask them who's resurrecting marauder, you may be surprised to keep fighting Kami for example :P

Obviously, Homins do not have access to this information.

About Horongi's (which is composed of Marung and Nung)

If you want more detail here:
Nung Horongi
Marung Horongi
Tribe of the Witherings and Goo
ROLEPLAY - Dossier: Marung Horongi
Amber Cube of Nung Horongi

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Is that a good idea? / Ist das eine gute Idee? / C'est une bonne idée ?