IDEAS FOR RYZOM

Moniq

Revvy

Victoriacamper

Dappers seem legit.

You can loot everything else you kill, why not take some of the wealth from your victims?

Possibly too abstract for some but we will see.

This is a good idea yes legit, but it implies we will all be thief.

Which may not be good for everyone.

And killing homins implies we are all murderers :D ... so maybe do not do such things if you do not like? :)

If i protect my son or even myself in the darkness of the Pyr street, when bandits and poor people are pushed to take weapons, the greed and the hungryness..
In the dirty soaked blood sand of the emperor city.
I don't think Revvy would like to earn dappers for this, it just make no sense.

Nor like i think it is by pleasure some Homins take weapons against each others.
One cannot want to be a Thief by taking weapons for reason.

This peace and love mentality doesn't apply for all on Atys, depending where you did grow Moniq.
But maybe.. it is just the Ranger mentality.. thinking of themselv to be more elitist than a high-graded Matis.

Revvy

Moniq

Revvy

Victoriacamper

Dappers seem legit.

You can loot everything else you kill, why not take some of the wealth from your victims?

Possibly too abstract for some but we will see.

This is a good idea yes legit, but it implies we will all be thief.

Which may not be good for everyone.

And killing homins implies we are all murderers :D ... so maybe do not do such things if you do not like? :)

If i protect my son or even myself in the darkness of the Pyr street, when bandits and poor people are pushed to take weapons, the greed and the hungryness..
In the dirty soaked blood sand of the emperor city.
I don't think Revvy would like to earn dappers for this, it just make no sense.

Nor like i think it is by pleasure some Homins take weapons against each others.
One cannot want to be a Thief by taking weapons for reason.

This peace and love mentality doesn't apply for all on Atys, depending where you did grow Moniq.
But maybe.. it is just the Ranger mentality.. thinking of themselv to be more elitist than a high-graded Matis.

I think what Moniq meant is that you are not automatically a thief just because the option to loot is there, you have to actually go to the corpse and loot it, which is a choice, that choice being available is a good thing.

Well fame is also important to some, don't you see how empty your aruument is? Maybe read it again...

And maybe a marauder shouldn't be in pyr in the first place, let alone defending people?

Possibly food for another topic

Do rangers kill only mobs (i.e no tribes and so on) on daily basis ?

This peace and love mentality doesn't apply for all on Atys, depending where you did grow Moniq.
But maybe.. it is just the Ranger mentality.. thinking of themselv to be more elitist than a high-graded Matis.

I thought about it again and slept on it one night.

Through the game mechanics we want to encourage you to use the fractional PVP more often.

If that's the goal, then plundering enemies isn't the way to go, as is artificially separating the factions, e.g. by not being able to kill the faction's own people.

For orientation, for example, the approach of avoiding friendly fire would be a win. That would make the cosmetic old markings for faction and citizenship. Then at least you know who you're dealing with.

Then of course it is important, as I think, that there must also be consequences for PVP. There is no death penalty for killed homins. That is fine. But the loss of fame in small steps or the increase of fame would be a wonderful menchanic and is legitimate to give homins an orientation to a faction, but not to force them strictly into a caste system. Since you have chosen a faction *voluntarily*, you can count on the consequences, just as in the countries of Umbra you accept the risk of being killed by higher levels. This should be extended to all PVP areas except duels and training in the Arena.

But no game mechanic in the world can encourage a player to play PVP. The main goal should be to increase enthusiasm for PVP. I remember the PVP competition organized by Agan. It was the first time I really saw PVP. It impressed me a bit and encouraged me to level up and understand the PVP way of playing better. Other PVP events would also be suitable. So you can see that PVP is not a pointless battle, it has a background. Role-playing can also be very important. A simple bump on top of each other is just as boring as scratching your back.

Someone told me that the fight between Kami and Karavan made the game great. So it was PVP that captivated people (but not only). The main part is said to have been PVP. Just to think.

Revvy

Moniq

Revvy

Victoriacamper

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Do rangers kill only mobs (i.e no tribes and so on) on daily basis ?

This peace and love mentality doesn't apply for all on Atys, depending where you did grow Moniq.
But maybe.. it is just the Ranger mentality.. thinking of themselv to be more elitist than a high-graded Matis.

Moniq does not speak for all Rangers. Some of us will defend ourselves and those we travel with. Pacifism is a personal choice, not a factional stricture.

• Unity is strength (hence compliance with the Treaty of Nations and in memory of the first treaty of Karavia)
• Atys is our home, we must be careful not to damage it (Precept kami)
• The truth is our only faith (Fyros)
• Reflection is our light in the dark (Matis)
• Synergy, sharing and solidarity are our social rules (Tryker)
• Serenity is our lifestyle (Zoraï)

I thought about it again and slept on it one night.

Through the game mechanics we want to encourage you to use the fractional PVP more often.

If that's the goal, then plundering enemies isn't the way to go, as is artificially separating the factions, e.g. by not being able to kill the faction's own people.

For orientation, for example, the approach of avoiding friendly fire would be a win. That would make the cosmetic old markings for faction and citizenship. Then at least you know who you're dealing with.

Then of course it is important, as I think, that there must also be consequences for PVP. There is no death penalty for killed homins. That is fine. But the loss of fame in small steps or the increase of fame would be a wonderful menchanic and is legitimate to give homins an orientation to a faction, but not to force them strictly into a caste system. Since you have chosen a faction *voluntarily*, you can count on the consequences, just as in the countries of Umbra you accept the risk of being killed by higher levels. This should be extended to all PVP areas except duels and training in the Arena.

But no game mechanic in the world can encourage a player to play PVP. The main goal should be to increase enthusiasm for PVP. I remember the PVP competition organized by Agan. It was the first time I really saw PVP. It impressed me a bit and encouraged me to level up and understand the PVP way of playing better. Other PVP events would also be suitable. So you can see that PVP is not a pointless battle, it has a background. Role-playing can also be very important. A simple bump on top of each other is just as boring as scratching your back.

Someone told me that the fight between Kami and Karavan made the game great. So it was PVP that captivated people (but not only). The main part is said to have been PVP. Just to think.

I think that factional PvP is far from the only reason people play. Personally, I stay for the detailed mechanics, especially dig/craft. However, since being a good crafter requires digging and hunting in PvP zones as well as some OP mats, any good crafter will either be a good trader or occasionally fight other homins for the good mats... and not all of us are deal-makers.

No game mechanic will ever encourage me to PVP. Rather the opposite, game mechanics that emphasize PVP too strongly would likely drive me away from the game permanently.

Already the enjoyment of my favorite part of the game (digging in the Prime Roots) is ruined by the automatic and unavoidable PVP flag just for being there.

If PVP is made to affect the fame levels that I've spent hundreds of hours achieving, then I would lose all interest in ever risking it, to be honest.

No part of the PVP system in this game has EVER interested me in the slightest, and it never will.

And every time I come back to the game after an absence, I see discussions like this one in the forums, or in universe chat, and it ALWAYS makes me less interested in coming back.

Why must you assume I'm whining, simply because I express a contrary opinion? Do you think Revvy is whining for calling anti-PVP opinions 'poisonous'?

I'm well aware that PVP is part of the game and wont go away (much as I would like that), and I don't have a problem with people enjoying PVP if that's what they enjoy. My problem is people constantly looking for new ways to expand PVP without regard for the fact that some people just don't want it at all.

You want a suggestion? Do whatever you want with PVP, but find a way to do it without making the game worse for those of us not interested in participating. I've already accepted, many years ago, that my experience of the game will be limited to an extent by my unwillingness to PVP. I don't need it limited even further.