Ranger TP: Exploitation of Game Mechanics - General

#16 Added by Mithian 5 years ago [fr]

On ne parle pas de vous enlevé le respawn à vos Tunnels, mais.. d'enlever la possibilité de rez en étant Flag dans une zone qui ne contient pas de vortex à proprement parler.

#17 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en]

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Bitttymacod

My two dappers.
It is my opinion that no one on the DEV team even thought about Rangers doing flagged PvP and so when the rez points were set up they just used the conveniently available mechanic of the vortex portals without thinking.

I do not want to be run but Bitty you are pointing the main issue here. I believe that each person involved is doing his very best but ... they have no idea what can impact what ( example with those in the dev team who doesn't know the difference between Outpost tag and the PvP tag ), no global vision of the game mechanics. Not blaming anyone here, just pointing which seems to me to be the most important issue that the team should work on. Hope none is offended by my statement...

@Scooby: Comme je l'ai déjà dis, que les rangers aient plus de point de rez n'est absolument pas un problème pour moi (je suis pour que les factions se différencient des autres), le véritable problème ici, c'est que vous pouvez rez en étant flag PvP dans une zone ou personne d'autres ne peut le faire ( parce que on ne peut pas TP en étant flag PvP ).
Pour ce qui est des TPs maraudeurs , on a fait remonter l'information pas mal de fois dans les dernières années et c'est fix depuis pas mal de mois maintenant (plus de 6 mois je pense).

#18 Added by Zarden 5 years ago Multilingual

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Hello,

I think that we all agree on that point, being able to rez while PvP flagged in certain areas where none of the other factions have this possibility is an advantage. We didn't have this in mind when discussing these changes with the dev team, and I have no problem with this possibility being removed on the next patch. As far as I know, we didn't get any profit of this up to now, and we will be careful from now on to keep it from happening.

To make things cristal clear for everyone, these new rez points are only in prime roots and 250 areas.

For everything else, I won't fall into an infinite discussion... the TP systems from all faction have advantages, drawbacks and specific mechanics, and I'm convinced that considering high level players, Maras are not in a bad position with their system.

Enjoy your time on Atys!

#19 Added by Mithian 5 years ago [fr]

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( Et on ne s'est pas plaind. y'a même aucune raison pour que la rivalité de nos guildes/faction soient évoqués ici pour le coup :)

#20 Added by Moniq 5 years ago [en]

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Siela

No one of the active PvPers must have tested or thought out the changes, which is why it was even introduced.

Bitttymacod

It is my opinion that no one on the DEV team even thought about Rangers doing flagged PvP and so when the rez points were set up they just used the conveniently available mechanic of the vortex portals without thinking.

All Ryzom teams lack active members, including the Testing team. It is not one time job, the tester must come back and re-test everything again (and again and again). The Test team needs to be like 5 times bigger and we should require at least 3 testers per supported platform. But for now, we can only dream. This feature was tested by 4 testers (besides internal testing). For some tests you have a problem to even find enough testers...

#21 Added by Scooby 5 years ago Multilingual

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heu,

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#22 Added by Revvy 5 years ago Multilingual

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The problem is that by mixing teleportation point( pathways ) and resurrection point( vortex ), it creates this kind of problem that totally breaks the restriction of the PvP flag.

There's another problem as a result, based on this system.
In addition that you don't pay your TPs (25k every 9 days is nothing, it's not even 6 products turned to New Horizon);
You can rez for free, in any area and without paying a pact.
Because your teleportation system is a resurection point.

As simple as that, not your fault, it is the system that is thought of like that, and introduced like that.

Teleportation is very difficult, it's true (but you wanted it, it seems to me, on paper as well as in game);
So lets say you don't pay your TP's... by making a big effort its okay.

But not paying for a rez when all the factions are paying, it's borderline.

Knowing that for the same subscription per month as you, we pay 10k per pact, and this for each teleportation, no matter how many times.
You pay 25k every 9 days, with the possibility of unlimited move, no matter how many times.
Think about it when you tell us, our teleporters are difficult.

Moreover, as a Neutral, not having access to the advantage of guiding powers such as Karavan or the Kami entity seems to me more than logical...

Especially in area 250, and I still don't see how the Rangers are using the vortex in their tunnel, which I quote, are vortex like the others, of the same substance.
While the rest of Atys can't use them...

On paper it's not good from the beginning, but gameplay wise yes it's important that you can like the others rez on your TPs points....
By paying a pact or a recharge of course.

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#23 Added by Scooby 5 years ago Multilingual

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Je rappelle juste qu'en tant que neutres, nos réputations sont limitées à 50, donc le NH nous donne deux fois moins de dappers que les autres factions (sauf marauds), et que ca impacte également sur la revente d'objets, sur les points de factions,.......

Cela revient un peu à dire que nous payons deux fois plus cher les tps que les K/K, et cela depuis 15 ans ...

#24 Added by Revvy 5 years ago [fr]

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Scooby

Je rappelle juste qu'en tant que neutres, nos réputations sont limitées à 50, donc le NH nous donne deux fois moins de dappers que les autres factions (sauf marauds), et que ca impacte également sur la revente d'objets, sur les points de factions,.......

Cela revient un peu à dire que nous payons deux fois plus cher les tps que les K/K, et cela depuis 15 ans ...

Oui mais vous avez accès a toute les villes, les missions dappers, les overseer's etc..
car vous êtes 50 partout.
Ce qui n'est pas le cas d'un patriote ou d'un citoyen, qui eux payent les TP's a la resurrection comme tout le monde.

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#25 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en]

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@Scooby, chez les marauds, on a 0 moyen de gagner des dappers (vu que la revente d'item craft ... ne rapporte plus grand chose depuis le merge) sans foutre en l'air nos fames, meme probleme avec les cristeaux de seves que nous pouvons obtenir uniquement via les points PvP.
(je le remets ici, parce que ca devrait etre l'une des priorites pour la faction maraudeur donc si quelqu'un de la dev team le lit :P )

#26 Added by Meubli 5 years ago [en]

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coucou, je voudrais écrire deux trois trucs ici,

quels avantages ont les factions kami/kara par rapport aux autres? ils peuvent avoir une citoyenneté
désavantages:

quels avantages ont les maraudeurs ? deux tps dans les grandes primes
désavantages: ils doivent se contenter d'une seule "ville", n'ont pas de tp dans les zones q50, peuvent pas trop faire de cristaux.

quels avantages ont les rangers ? ils peuvent avoir des tps dans une zone à la fois kami et kara dans une zone non 250, non primes avec un vortex, pas très utile à haut level, peuvent actuellement rez sur les points ranger 250 de la région où ils ont été tué.
désavantages: le système de tps comme l'a évoqué Zvo un peu avant n'est pas pratique. Ils ne peuvent pas rez dans une zone 250 autre que la zone où ils ont été tué , du genre un ranger qui meurt en Source Interdite peut pas rez à Cité Engloutie, il doit se retapper tout le système de tp.

le rez en étant flag est un avantage pour les rois.... du coup on cri EXPLOIT ! les 2 tps dans les grandes primes et un gros avantage pour les rois et le forage sup pour les maraudeurs, personne ne cri EXPLOIT ?

y a clairement un problème de "balance" ici

Meubli

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#27 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en]

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Dans les desavantages pour les maraudeurs tu oublies ce que j'ai ecris.

#28 Added by Meubli 5 years ago [en]

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corrigé

#29 Added by Mithian 5 years ago [fr]

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Passe Marau, tu va voir TOUS les AVANTAGES que tu as ( ou pas?) (J'vais pas énoncer ici tout ce que ça nous coûte d'avoir des TP en plus en Primes, on a fait le choix d'être Marau en connaissance de cause, mais.. si tu souhaites t'instruire, mon tell est ouvert ♥ )

Plus sérieusement, tu ne peux nié que rez en étant flag PvP à un de tes TP n'est pas balance.

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#30 Added by Northstar 5 years ago [en]

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As I am the creator of this topic; and this topic is meant to be about fixing a huge game exploit and not dissolve on "oh rangers have this"/ "oh maros have this" war, I would request to stick to constructive discussion and not try for even a second to side-step my topic; which is the aim of some I guess.

This topic was created with the sole reason to fix something that clearly abuses game mechanics and inform the people about it.

For any of your other suggestions and demands on what needs to be fixed or is an exploit make your own thread, or send your own cases to the DEV team and the SGMs, as I did.

Also for proof that I have advocated a "fair" tp for all, and the fixing of fair tps for all, go and review the Ryzom Forge meetings, and what I said about the Maro tp.

So you are barking on the wrong tree here, I already advocated for its change 8 months ago.

Finally, it would be nice if, and since it seems you understand English, to reply in English so the topic creator can understand your responses.

Star

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