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I was at the royal wedding when some Fyros came there and demanded the matis being punished for their deeds in the past when the event team muted them.

These fyros where talking in character and where roleplaying so why did they get punished?

I know when you do alot of preparations for an event and ppl come to it turn the events in a whole different direction it's not what you planned for but that's role playing after all?

I remeber from the event team i think who told us that on another server during an event the ppl decided to protect a marauder instead off killing him and they addapted to it so why did this not happen today? Or the event team could make the fyros attackable instea of muting them then we could have killed them like what would happen on a real wedding.


All i saw was an scripted event where there was no room to roleplay or anything in that order and made me feel sad since ryzom always says it's really into roleplaying and into ppl choosing sides and going with it.

What really bothered me about this was that muting is an OOC punishment, and interferes with playing the game even after leaving the event. We went there prepared to be ordered to leave or killed; that the events team chose to region-kick was unexpected but not unreasonable; that the events team then escalated to muting was horrifying.

I appreciate the efforts of the events team. I enjoy their events. However, they do not reserve the singular right to define what is/isn't approved roleplaying in this game, and nor do they get unilaterally define what is or isn't disruption.

As a *paying customer* I am more than a little upset at the poor response of those individuals representing Winch Gate at today's event. Their limited vision of roleplaying, and their callous treatment of paying customers, is inexcusable.

And as a paying customer, I'd like a response, not a dismissive response invoking line five of the courtesy policy. What is an insulting disruption, define your levels of response and how they are universally applied.

Better responses, than the abusive tactics invoked today:

1. Spawn guards into the region in such number that the Fyros had to leave, or let them die.
2. Place a bounty on the heads of the characters, set their MAtis fame to -100.
3. Have the king step in, and prove just how sovereign he is.
4. Have the characters get a summons be dexton, stating his disapproval of their actions.
5. Accept that the wedding was stopped, turn that into a reason to increase the level of hostilities between the Matis and Fyros.

Muting, and porting are not roleplaying responses, and should not be used to enforce upon paying customer, the singular vision of "how atys should be" of a small and limited number of people.

I'd like to know what Winch Gate plans on doing to prevent such future abuses of power.

I agree with all the above! I wasn't there but from what i hear that is clearly NOT the way to roleplay it's more like the Event team are using BOTS so that the lines could not be re-written for all and that is why they took such action. Using BOTS IS against regulations for players than why not for event team?

When the Matis invaded the Desert and butrned Thesos i was the only one trying to stop them but they just ignored me. I was in role yet i was ignored. I challanged the Prince to a duel but was denied. What kind of role play is that?

That was the last time i role played. Unless the event team becomes more FLEXIBLE to the needs of the PAYING Customers i don't think i will roleplay much.

I'm not aware of all the details, but it was quite annoying to see all those people making rude comments at the wedding. Most of which were from kami, but not all.

It was actually ruining my experience at the event. I prefer non-insulting events. If they really ahve no interest in the wedding then why bother coming.

I know it takes a lot of planning to set this up from both the nobles and the event team and to have a few people come in and start.

I beleive that the event team is small and that during events they are playing on more than one toon at a time and to deal with something that big would seem a nuissance to me if i was trying to make something go smoothly.

Were the kami even invited to the wedding? Afterwards the prince was saying a few things regarding the interruption. There is usually a lot more going on than we are aware of.

And all this planning neglected attention to security? With reasons known that people would potentially try to assassinate the prince? Sounds to me like you're lucky that it was a peaceful protest instead! Even RL weddings sometimes need to pay extra attention to security; ever heard of the crazy ex who comes in and screams for half an hour at the "does anyone know why these two should not wed" bit?

Anyway, it's not like people came through dragging aggro or something; having guards come in and subdue protesters and drag them away (as explanation for the region kick) would have been much more appropriate in my opinion. OOCly removing someone's capability to play the game in any non-trivial fashion was... excessive.

It was an interuption YES but it was roleplayed and they just came to interupt because of what the matis did to them. You don't have to see it as a small single event meagon just see the big picture it was part of the ongoing strugles between matis and fyros and what better place did they have then during an matis wedding? I think it was the perfect thing to do for the fyros.

But by muting the ppl roleplaying they just killed it for me so i ported out. But now you say the prince talked about it during wedding when they first ignored and muted the ppl doing like nothing happend? Where did they get the nerve to do that, if they ignore ppl and mute then they should atleast ignore what happend at all. If this has reprecussions for the fyros in coming events then it's a big unfair thing since they weren't allowed to do their own small event.

Totally agree - the invasion and burning of Dyron demands retribution and the suggestions made by Habiff are very thoughtful - what a shame he was not accepted to the events team, it is a voluntary job where I would think there should be more homins - especially in the light of Meag's comment.
... I wonder how long these comments will be here before being deleted - what an odd game where people are not allowed to comment or contribute.
And I would not think Winchgate gives two pins. We are still too small a player base to hold much sway

Extra guards were brought since at the ball an assasination attempt actually was made. How would the fyros like it if I came to an event and started yelling kill the senator and obsurd comments,. I'm sure they wouldn't like me taking over their event for my own agenda.

Honestly imo if you don't like the way the Rp is done then don't join in.

I agree with the points made in by Habiff in his post. However some of you take this too far. Even if the planned disruption was in the spirit of roleplay, and even if a temporary mute was a little excessive, several of you displayed a complete lack of regard for other players participating. I agree that killing you all would have been a better response, and if I was there as a guest I may have tagged up and done my part. But the planned disruption was still after all a disruption. Some of us dont have all day to sit around waiting for all of you to put your 2 cents worth into the event. I got out of bed at 3am to prepare for the wedding which was supposed to start at 4am, waited until almost 5am for them to even get to the ceremony and then have it take even longer for the sake of roleplay gone wrong.

Actually I quite enjoyed the Fyros interruption. It added a little colour to the event. But what exactly did you all hope to get out of it? You knew you would be silenced so what the hell was the problem? This question I pose to the several people who took it apon themselves to extend the disruption into uni chat. Whining about abuse and your rights to roleplay and even one comment I saw about legal recourse for being muted was an absolute disgrace. Then to insult anyone who dares to say "its over, get over it" was completely childish.

Those people show no consideration for anyone else and should indeed be completely ashamed of themselves.

Please, do not immediately assume someone had the worst possible reasons for their actions. I would think they did not mute people for "RPing against their wishes", but muted them as the best possible simulation of the most realistic RP response.

You go to a Royal wedding and insult the marrying Prince, you get kicked out. That's really the most realistic action they could've taken from an RP point of view. Yes, it would've been best if they'd have the guards remove all the interlopers, but I suppose they simply weren't prepared for that, and thus used whatever tools they had at their disposal to create the best possible simulation of kicking them out - muting them.

As to avoid accusations against the intruding players, I knew they'd be coming, I was told of the plans way before the wedding and even gave them my blessings. I never saw it as an interruption of the event, but as an addition to it. I am sorry if those players who went through that trouble to add an extra dimension to the event ended up feeling disappointed.

I figured they'd just be TPed out, but I completly did not expect so *many* to come, and I apologize for that miscalculation if the reason why the Event Team had to use muting was because there were too many to port away.

Oo gosh Beefie - there is a bit of history here - not just this one event - the events team seem to favour the Matis homins - as in karavan rather than kami as well, and to be able to spontansously think on your feet should, in an ideal world, be a requirement for an event's homin. I would vote Soloreaper and (forgotten his name!! - Lorysomething?) as homins who can cope with spontaneity - after their lovely discussion when we were waiting for the Maurauders - Loracas as well. But I beleive it is a job that takes time and commitment and there must be very few who can do that

Porting people out was a reasonable simulation of the guards being called in to remove people, in my opinion. It's also what was done at first, and I think we actually appreciated that response; at the worst, it didn't piss us off. Muting... The only RP equivalent I can think of is cutting people's tongues out.

Good way to discourage new people from participating... Besides, couldn't that just be turned around on you, too? If you don't like how we respond to your rp, just don't do it.

I didnt mind the disruption, it was colourful and made me smile. It was the whining and insults and crap that went on afterwards for an hour in uni that bothered me. "talking like a kid, angry monkeys, typical karavans, CSR's toy" and other bs like that. It was a total disgrace. How would I like to be muted? If I was part of that plan I would have certainly realised it was a possibility and not whined about it in uni. I would certainly not have made personal attacks on anyone who disagreed with me.

Some of the attempts at roleplay I have seen since my return are making it look like a big joke *cough*campfires*cough*. The spirit in which the fyros came to the wedding was great. The aftermath kind of threw the good intentions out the window tho.

Roleplay should enhance the game experience and make it more enjoyable to the players, but lately it seems that all its doing is causing arguments and whining. Some people are taking this stuff way too far and they need to tone it down.