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Hmm, well, did you really want to go back to the fires issue, being as all the posts were deleted? And are you really telling homins off for saying what they didn't like about the response? Oh well ...

We Kami thought our actions where entirely justified considering the princes previous actions against innocent Kami followers.

Meagan mentioned the point that there is often more going on than we know...well isn't this always the case? All we can do in RP is act as our characters would in a given situation. The Butcher of Thesos decides to hold his wedding in a pretty little glade a short jog from the city he burned to the ground...that was invitation if I have ever seen one. We did not know or care what else was going on...only that this is our FIRST opportunity since the prince murdered peaceful Kami worshippers to express our displeasure at his actions...and by the breath of the dragon, we took it.

We expected to be killed and/or teleported out. When some of us were muted, this was surprise, but not one we will be unprepared for again. The anger at being muted was not about the muting...it was about the lack of response when we asked how long it would last.

Besides...this thread is discussion is moot...(not mute =)). Now we know Karavan/Matis have the ability to silence us at will...and how long it lasts...we can expect it and plan to counteract its effects =)

Some people do not attend all events and so have only rumors to go by. Some people leave the game for a period of time and then return, and they too only know of events second hand. This can cause problems as there is no single accurate historical logs of events anyone can read for enlightenment.

The history as I recall it was that there were rumors of the Matis planning an invasion of the desert. The Fyros responded to that by stationing an army by the SD to HS portal . This army would attack anyone with low Fyros fame as Matis are born with. Trekkers with low fyros fame who came to close were attacked. Then the Fyros sent another army to Hidden Source to occupy the other side of the portal. Which killed more unknowledgable trekkers.

It was after this that the Prince ordered the attack on these two armies and as punishment ordered Thesos taken and burned.

If i missed anything of importance in this condensed version please post.

Seeing a true previous history event log might improve things.

Dont forget genocide practiced by the Matis; the untold number of yubos killed in the development and use of their "Secret Weapon"

They are, perhaps, the true unreported victims here...

Beefie, if it was done In Character, it is not "Role-Play gone wrong." It is "Role-Play moving in a direction other than what was expected, anticipated, and desired by the organizers." And that is 100% acceptable. ESPECIALLY in a sand-box game like Ryzom purports to be.

If you are going to have a public RP event, be prepared for it to go in a way other than what you expect. You can't sit high and mighty on your RP throne and expect that everyone will just tremble at your fingertips and abuse your powers to make that happen if they don't.

If something happens in-character, respond to it in-character or not at all.

Muting was not acceptable.
Teleporting was not acceptable.

Acceptable Response:

• Resetting Matis fame to -50
• Then spawning guards sufficient to kill the "unwelcome guests"
• After killing the unwelcome guests, let them know that continuing to return to the event would be considered RP-griefing and dealt with harshly (by porting and muting)

I think a public apology from the events team for responding in an out-of-character manner bordering on abuse of powers is appropriate, as well as a promise not to do this again.

No yubos died during the event, they all ran back safely after dropping their explosive devices. You should have been there and seen for yourself. As I said before, an accurate recorded history is needed to avoid all the false rumors.

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Yes, i was there. The Matis had a yubo specialist who had spent his whole life learning to communicate with the yubos. But I did not understand any of the wierd noises he used when speaking to the yubos . I suspect the yubos were his only friends as I have never seen this guy socialising in Yrkanis.

Fires issue? Im not going back to anything. I stopped paying attention to that when a couple of peope took it too far and dragged it on for too long. I mentioned it as an example of roleplay gone wrong. And thats exactly what it was. That caused arguements and bad blood and for absolutely nothing.

I did not tell anyone off for saying how they feel about anything. There are ways and places (and limits) for that sort of thing. I would like to point out that the people I see here in this thread with valid points to make were not the people making personal attacks at anyone else in uni. I did not think they had that much to be upset about, but I didnt call them whining little children. I simply said "its over, get over it" and was abruptly attacked in a personal way.

It wasn't roleplaying, it was harassment. Pure and simple.
Dozens were there to enjoy the event, and a few people decided to turn up with no other intention than to ruin it for all of them.
I applaud the CSRs and event team for the way they handled it. First attempting to solve things in character, and only after taking the extreme step (after several in character warnings) to get rid of the troublemakers.

I've no trouble with improvising during an event, and the event team did just that.
But I do have trouble with people trying to ruin the enjoyment of others, which the culprits here were clearly intending to do.

Iala you are always too bitter and biased. Marelli said clearly that it was known they would come and protest, and even gave blessing, so how can you state what you say. Its probably more the event team not having the tools or the people, to be able to react in a more pleasant way.

I like Loryen but she hit that "butcher of Thesos... Bloodsoaked clothing" macro 3 times before you were all silenced and ported. If this was meant to be taken as a serious attempt to include the Fyros' issues into the pre-organised roleplay event and not a purposeful disruption, perhaps things could have been done differently to avoid confusion. The repeated use of a chat macro probably didnt help matters. Still it seems some of you are picking specific things out of my posts to comment on. My biggest problem and the only one I will not yield to different opinions on is the lengthy heated complaints in uni afterwards that dragged everyone else into it. It was shameful.

It was known by most karavan there that the kami would try something there it's not like the kami kept it all that secret and I for once and most of my guild i know wouldn't never have gone to the event if we didn't know about the kami trying something. So maybe there wouldn't have been dozens of ppl but only some matis if this would not have been known.
It's roleplaying and if an event doesn't go like planned then improvise but going for an OOC aprouch by the event team really put me off.

Well the disscussion on the muting of players in the recent event seems very constructive so far.

I also have a few comments to make:
Those players who wanted to RP interject for whatever reason had a 20min walk to the location to play their card or voice their concerns, this would have at least given the event team some indication of intent and what to expect and/or even prepare, to wait until a well documented (aka scripted) 'Wedding' Ceremony had started was well just rude in my opinion hence the reaction.

I was asked to participate in the event due to a shortfall in event team numbers for the event.
The event team do a wonderful job with the limited resources they have, the tools required to action some of the suggestions mentioned just do not exist.

If you would like to blame someone for the muting then blame me, I did not interpret the guise of some of the various "roleplay" interjections to be particulally genuine and my reaction in hindsite was probably more "CSR" than "Events" themed you might say.

I think some of the more negative comments/concerns about 'Events' and the event team bias are way over the top and and you need to chill, if you really feel that strongly about the way events are run then thats easily fixed, donate some of your free time and volunteer to help.