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#16 Added by Marla 1 decade ago [en] 

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I also concur with Dominikus, being French and having played on Aniro for quite a while (had mastered quite a few skills) but got tired of the overly aggressive faction drama (thoug hthings might have changed since then).
I can tell you that digging in PR was at times much harder than just having a homing KP designed just for you :)

I don't think people would really have that much trouble communicating (and some might just get the opportunity to hone their linguistic skills by the same occasion) but some just won't make any attempt at socializing outside of their cliques. I do like Arispotle for being more open in that respect.

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#17 Added by Kalean 1 decade ago [en] 

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Dominikus
Also I don't know if it is just a stereotype, but from what I have heard, many French people have high respect for their own language and are reluctant to speak English (if that is horribly wrong, please correct me).
I think you're right... for different reasons many Frenches don't want to use English.
There's an historical background of rivalry between the French and the English, and even if the two countries are allies now, many prejudices from both side still remain.
French was the international language of diplomacy and international affairs from the 17th century to the mid-20th century, but after WW2 English became the international language in lieu of French...
For those historical reasons France still tries to minimise the impact of english on its own culture (the "cultural exception") and to promote the use of French overseas (through Francophonie and Alliance Française's worldwide network).
France is reluctant to use English language the same way U.K. is reluctant to use €uro.
Even if French students learn English, average skill is very low compared to many other educated countries, and outside classroom you don't have real opportunities to speak or listen English. Every English-speaking movies or TV shows are dubbed in French.

English native speakers might think that Frenchies are wrong to offer such resistance to English... but let's say in the next century Chinese become the international language, don't you think that English native speakers would be reluctant to use Chinese too? ^^

Anyway, to answer Breony, language barrier is a major issue. I know many young or "mature" people playing on Aniro and who can't chat in English... that's the sad reality ;)

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#18 Added by Trini 1 decade ago [en] 

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Kalean (Aniro)
France is reluctant to use English language the same way U.K. is reluctant to use €uro.
Even if French students learn English, average skill is very low compared to many other educated countries, and outside classroom you don't have real opportunities to speak or listen English. Every English-speaking movies or TV shows are dubbed in French.
Similar is true for Germany, so in most aspects you can interchange French with German in the paragraph above. Most people learn or have learned English as first foreign language at school, at least since 1990. Players from the eastern parts of Germany that went to highschool before that time most likely learn Russian as first foreign language.
So these are facts to consider when planning to merge the three servers. The population of a merged server probably will be smaller than the sum of the current populations.
Additionally the servers differ in their history, which makes them differ for example in the number and placement of Karavan and Kami temples.

This doesn't mean that I am against a merger, but one should expect that the result may be very different from the expectations.

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#19 Added by Ghuiss 1 decade ago [en] 

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hey you stole ghosties post jetter :o)
reckon it would be interesting! mebbies add extension to player name would help for prefered language or write it in the info tab. job done...
All the "playa's" just want to hold on to all their toys... :P

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#20 Added by Meagon 1 decade ago [en] 

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Another problem I just thought of Is I think that people can have the same name if they are on different shards. I think I made a Meagon on the French server because I got bored...

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#21 Added by Trini 1 decade ago [en] 

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Meagon
Another problem I just thought of Is I think that people can have the same name if they are on different shards. I think I made a Meagon on the French server because I got bored...
You case is comparativly easy, its worse when two different people use the same name.

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Trini | 'Ys kard' | Arispotle
First and last of the Darkmoor Rangers

#22 Added by Meagon 1 decade ago [en] 

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Trini
Meagon
Another problem I just thought of Is I think that people can have the same name if they are on different shards. I think I made a Meagon on the French server because I got bored...
You case is comparativly easy, its worse when two different people use the same name.
I meant that that is a possibility was just showing an example of how it is possible.

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Meagy :)
Spirit of Atys
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Never argue with an idiot; they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience.

#23 Added by Bitttymacod 1 decade ago [en] 

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Having read through the thread, I think that the problems with merging shards have been clearly stated: difference in cultural attitudes (IRL and in-game), language problems in some cases making it *harder* to find teams and get assistance and in all cases producing cacophony, and difficulties in setting up/adjusting/etc. the matter of OP's and guild names.

I would also like to second Meagon on the statement that the shards were not meant to hold "thousands" of people. In my opinion, "hundreds" would be much more reasonable, with perhaps a total population per shard of around a thousand. The question I have, for those reading from the other shards: How low are the populations of Aniro and Leanon? I get the impression that they are far more populated than Arispotle.

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#24 Added by Kalean 1 decade ago [en] 

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Actually the population of Aniro is the lowest I've ever seen...
The kamis control all OPs and many players from the karavan have left the game.
There's no more balanced OP wars, and no more PvP challenge.

The only things that seem to keep Aniro alive are events, and events are the most likely to suffer if the shards are merged... :S

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#25 Added by Iala(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Bittty, afaik guild names are unique across shards (though there are exceptions, those need CSR intervention to be created, this was the case with Amicitia which also exists on Leanon).

#26 Added by Jarnys 1 decade ago [en] 

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Bitttymacod
The question I have, for those reading from the other shards: How low are the populations of Aniro and Leanon? I get the impression that they are far more populated than Arispotle.

Well nobody knows the real deal but I have the feeling that the population on Leanon is slowly on the rise again.

And just to name it:
There are 3 Kami temples (Fyros, Tryker, Zorai) and 1 Karavan temple (Matis) on Leanon.
In addition we've got Ailan Mac'Kean (hope the name's spelled right) as Tryker governour and afaik that's not the case on all shards.

But take a look here at some estimated stats: http://www.3025-game.de/ryzom/en/statistics/

Edit: take a look at the dappers/char or dappers/guild on lea compared with the other shards or the HP of the chars on Aniro compared with Aris ;-)

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#27 Added by Marla 1 decade ago [en] 

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Jarnys (Leanon)
But take a look here at some estimated stats: http://www.3025-game.de/ryzom/en/statistics/

Edit: take a look at the dappers/char or dappers/guild on lea compared with the other shards or the HP of the chars on Aniro compared with Aris ;-)

You may want to check on the disclaimer of that site ... they only aggregate data for those who supply their API keys, and it does not appear that they have that many of those. The data on HP for example is only available for 163 homins on Arispotle (divide total by average) as it requires this info to be visible, while the info on, say, factions is for 417 registered homins (which is available from public keys) ... try searching me ... I'm not in :)

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#28 Added by Jarnys 1 decade ago [en] 

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Marla
You may want to check on the disclaimer of that site ... they only aggregate data for those who supply their API keys, and it does not appear that they have that many of those. The data on HP for example is only available for 163 homins on Arispotle (divide total by average) as it requires this info to be visible, while the info on, say, factions is for 417 registered homins (which is available from public keys) ... try searching me ... I'm not in :)

That's the reason why I said "estimated" ;-)

But you're right I should have highlighted it better.
I'd really like to see such stats with the real numbers though... (even if it's only the average / percentages and without the #players/toons)

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#29 Added by Rajaaar 1 decade ago [en] 

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Well, why not, I don't have really idea, I like aniro's environement and friendly behaviour, but if there need to merge for the sake of Ryzom, then I'm ok :)

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#30 Added by Iala(arispotle) 1 decade ago [en] 

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Rajaaar (Aniro)
Well, why not, I don't have really idea, I like aniro's environement and friendly behaviour, but if there need to merge for the sake of Ryzom, then I'm ok :)

For the sake of Ryzom, there should be no merger as the overall opinion in every single thread about it in every forum it's been brought up over the years has been that it'd be a massively bad idea and a lot of people (likely the majority of each shard's paying population) would quit were it to happen.
Even if "only" 30% of paying customers were to quit were the shards merged (and I think it'd be closer to 60% myself) it'd be a massive financial drain, far worse than the money saved on hosting cost.
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