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#97 Added by Naveruss 5 years ago [en]

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Generallee

Naveruss
Et qui plus est, ce topic est justement là pour recueillir nos avis, rien n’a encore été décidé.[/p]

Original post fron Tykus:
Tykus
... we have decided to no longer tolerate the control of more than two characters at the same time per user and this only within the limits of reasonable usage....

Questions?

Ulukyn

Les nouvelles CoC ne sont pas encore appliquées. Elles seront appliquées à l'avenir.
Il s'agit d'une discussion ouverte visant à recueillir l'avis de chacun.

Désolé si vous avez mal compris, c'était peut-être trop évident pour nous qu'il n'est pas possible de modifier les CoC comme cela sans discussion.

Ryzom forge est, pour nous, un espace de discussion avec les joueurs, ce qui peut expliquer notre erreur...

Ulukyn

Tant que les nouvelles CoC ne sont pas modifiées et tant que vous ne les avez pas acceptées après un patch ou après une souscription/paiement, la CoC actuelle reste appliquée.
Vous pouvez donc vous connecter et contrôler 4 personnages en même temps. Mais... nous allons aussi faire plus de contrôles et la vidéo peut être une preuve d'actions automatisées.

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#98 Added by Magez 5 years ago [en]

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Azazor

Bon ben moi aussi je me casse puisque apparemment c'est la mode. Et oui, pourquoi j'aurai également pas le droit de faire mon chantage? Je suis pas content, donc hop, je cherche pas plus loin et je me tire.
Donc voilà c'est dit: si la règle ne passe pas, je pars. Vous voulez jouer aux plus couillu? Chiche.

Allez, un départ d'un côté, un autre ici. Qui dit mieux?

theres a difference between:
someone leaving because its been allowed for years and now suddenly outlawed

vs

playing for years with the ones i now suddenly want gone.

him claiming to leave is not the same as yours, as it raises the question why you didn't leave years ago with the same results ingame results if it stays allowed.

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#99 Added by Erisapple 5 years ago [fr]

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Sinvaders

But the end result stay the same, a toon in-game that is useless for the game itself (background/lore/rp).

COOL... So by this thinking, I'm useless? I do not RP or do anything with the lore game. I have a background in my about that's sorta IC as a shout out to people that had left after merge and (most) will never return. I'm almost the exact same IG as I am IRL. Hair isn't as purple and I cuss a lot more in person but I AM Eris in both places. I have an alt, which I generally leave behind when I team up. Which is rare because I AFK a lot, I work at weird times for most players and *shocked* I like to be alone. Khao is a perfect extension of me and it's great we're both useless. *eyeroll*

Again, if you don't like ALTs don't have one or team with them. Leave those of us that have them and PAY for them the eff alone.

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#100 Added by Balkhog 5 years ago Multilingual

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**DEL** Denigration of support teams Which fortunately turned out to be based on a simple discussion.

Why limit the simultaneous connection of only 2 characters at the same time instead of 4 ? There is absolutely no real constructive argument that makes sense ...

**DEL** Out of topic Ask for advice from the players as a whole, not just a small part of them.

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#101 Added by Jyrvie 5 years ago [fr]

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Naveruss

Mais il ne faut pas non plus aller dans l’excès, aucune raison de prendre personnellement cette décision, loin d’être parfaite, mais prise avec les moyens du bord. :)

Ce n'est pas que je le prenne personnellement, plutôt un profond désespoir dans l'idée que "ici aussi, l'intolérance l'emporte sur la tolérance"

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#102 Added by Magez 5 years ago [en]

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From Forge meeting topic:

Q : LoL ! Well goodbye and goodluck then. When you cant see any way i am cheating, just change the rules again. Typical . I have been playing Ryzom this way for 12 years and you have a problem with it now? Why suddenly now? I have been reported repeatedly and because I have done nothing wrong the decision was made to change the rules?
R : It's not the point, even if you play them withoout third part program, it's not a good way to play Ryzom. Because, basically, if other MMOs don't give the possibility to play multiboxing, it's tolerated on Ryzom. But the current four-alts limit discourages playing with others. Yet Ryzom is the only game where playing with others is necessary, and we want to keep that, which is the soul of the game.

vastly successful games like 'world of warcraft' and 'guildwars' allow for multiboxing.

**my post got deleted from the topic itself with no warning or explanation why, i wanted to point out the statement construed as general fact, is in fact not.**

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#103 Added by Senshi 5 years ago [fr]

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Moi je suis okey avec cette décision, ou sinon on passe toute les zones au-dessus du niveau 150 en zone pvp et on regle cette histoire avec nos armes, on va voir combien de temps vous aller apprécier les 1v4 ou les pods blinder de seconds couteaux tout juste bon a mourrir et a être rez 150 fois en 45 minutes, le sujet serai bien plus conpréhensible pour certain si ils n'avaient pas la possible de detag comme des laches :p

#104 Added by Balkhog 5 years ago Multilingual

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**DEL** Hors Sujet/Out of topic

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#105 Added by Zendae 5 years ago [fr]

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Jyrvie

- parce qu'elle limite les possibilités de roleplay. Quoiqu'en pense Azazor, le ropleplay ne se limite pas à jouer un seul personnage toujours le même. On peut scénariser de petits événements sans l'aide de personne avec des personnages bien pensés. La limité à deux personnages connectés simultanément est très gênante dans ce cas.

Je pense que ce genre d'utilisation pourrait être toléré au-delà de deux comptes, tout comme le cas "famille nombreuse". J'imagine que les personnages ne font quasiment que parler en Alentour et il devrait être facile de le vérifier. Et pourquoi pas, prévenir du micro-event juste avant par un ticket ?

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#106 Added by Arxxan 5 years ago Multilingual

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in my opinion this is a topic that has been pushed by very specific people. it has started few weeks ago that beeficus has been accused of cheating. When this did not work, the developers were convinced to change the CoC so that they finally get what they want.
wait it's getting ridiculous, now these people act as saviors of role-playing and try to make it look like this change was the wish of the majority of the players. they go so far to call toons not participating in their roleplay as useless and bad for the game. wtf?!?
personally i think there are very few players pushing this and most people do not have a single problem with the style beef and the general would like to play.
My suggestion is to find out how many really want it and start a poll asking all players in atys

arxxan

Leader of the faceless

#107 Added by Eolinius 5 years ago [fr]

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Avec tous les alts qui répondent au sondage ou pas ?

*rigole pour détendre l'atmosphère*

#108 Added by Arxxan 5 years ago [en]

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Eolinius

Avec tous les alts qui répondent au sondage ou pas ?

*rigole pour détendre l'atmosphère*

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#109 Added by Elke 5 years ago [en]

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Let's face it: multiboxing is a way of pay-to-win.

It gives advantage in two or three areas:

It's used to level faster without user-interaction.
It's used to win fights without getting people behind your cause ("I am more than you").
It's used to quicker gain an economic advantage, like faster digging and keeping an eye on places to know when certain bosses or named re-spawn.

And it's a very valid question on how much you want to allow single people literally buy these advantages with real money and how much that impacts the motivation of people who don't want or cannot go that route.

The more extensivly you allow it, the more you implicitly limit the game to people who spend more money on both, accounts and hardware. That in turn reduces the playerbase and the result basically is where we nearly are: a group of a few players who all play ("play"?) several chars in parallel - and of course are not happy when their powerplay is frowned upon and slightly restricted in order to increase or keep the appeal of this game for the usual and possibly also occasional playerbase who is not a power player. It's a very precarious balance which has to be found here... and it very likely is neither fully one side (allow everything) nor the other (allow only one char). I don't envy the team to find it - but we all should assume good faith that their best interest is to make this the most exciting game for as many as possible.

And please: restriction to even one account per person does NOT limit your freedom of play. It just limits your freedom to outperform other players by paying more.

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#110 Added by Jyrvie 5 years ago [en]

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Elke

And please: restriction to even one account per person does NOT limit your freedom of play. It just limits your freedom to outperform other players by paying more.

I don't agree with you at all. Mainly because I don't try to outperform anybody and this restriction from 4 to 2 toons (we don't speak of subed toons, I don't have 4 subed accounts) limit my freedom of play.

Please I ask everybody to stop thinking their way to play Ryzom is THE good way. We have many different ways to play Ryzom, and this difference is a real treasure. In my opinion this the heart of Ryzom interest.

This is a matter of tolerance, people are different, think different, like different things.

Please don't start normalising how to play Ryzom.

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#111 Added by Jazzy 5 years ago [fr]

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Dans ce cas, laissez les joueurs ignorez les adeptes du multibox, car ca sera leur façon de jouer egalement... et leur droit de penser.
On va en arriver là... c'est evident... et c'est très très très... dommage.

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