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#301 Added by Beeficus 4 years ago  

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We can fill the CoC with more gems like this:


So what is "too long" to hold a minion? There is a disctinction between 2 toons holding a minion and 2 toons holding the boss directly? If 2 toons are trying to hold a minion the boss can not be stolen but if one player with 2 toons wants to hold Lixie until their entire faction arrives that can be done? I notice these questions were never answered.

So here we are in Ryzom, making increasingly convoluted rules that are open to be dissected by a team of lawyers and nobody really knows what they are allowed to be doing until they get banned for breaking a rule that is open to various interpretations.

Why? Because *some* people are complaining.

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#302 Added by Sinvaders 4 years ago  

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Before adding anything related to the "lock" into the CoC they should first fix it.

#303 Added by Erisapple 4 years ago  

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I wish there was some way to make everyone happy. But I know realistically that just isn't going to happen. At this point we're just beating a dead horse. But perhaps some of these idea for Ops should be posted in the Ideas forum?

I will say though, that limiting the number of toons at an OP or not allowing new guild members (as was mentioned much earlier in this thread) makes me sad when I think about it. My first experience with PVP EVER was an OP battle. I was still a very young homin, hadn't even hit 125 in ele yet and was a pretty new Reaper, probably less than a month. Jayce and Sehraci got me to go. I died a lot but it was so much fun. After that I started tagging up and becoming active in the faction. I guess it was kinda a gateway drug ;) I don't know, I guess I just think it would be really sad to have to leave young homins out of something.

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#304 Added by Xaco 4 years ago  

#305 Added by Itzy 4 years ago  

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Xaco

i have only now noticed the discussion and i am very happy about this change of direction. the "affected" babble about the fact that it doesn't make a difference if you control another one or 3 chars. i find this completely ridiculous. everybody sees that you are nothing more than unpunished bot users.

Really ? everybody ? I actually find that a bit hard to believe

#306 Added by Yaandor 4 years ago  

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Actually I find it hard to believe that Xaco read the entire thread.

Beeficus was thoroughly checked out and exonerated - at no point was he using any kind of bots or scripts.

Get the facts before casting accusations.

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#307 Added by Victoriacamper 4 years ago  

#308 Added by Oxxy 4 years ago  

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Bonjour à tous ! Désoler de relancer le truc mais ...

Pourquoi avoir interdit le multibox sur OP, Boss maraud et évenement et pas sur changements de saison? Déjà qeue nous sommes pas beaucoup à y participer dans les zones pvp mais si on se tape des team de 15 en face avec des joueurs a 4 compte ... Ca va ENCORE dégouter tout le monde.

Le multiboxing a étais "interdit" pour pas qu'un camp prennent l'avantage gracee à ça mais sur les changements de saison .. l'avantage est quand même monstrueux.

Personnellement l'interdire sur boss, roi .. si ils sont untag pvp je trouve pas ca dérangant ca empêche pas les autres de joué .. Mais sur les activités principalement PVP la c'est problèmatique.

Merci de m'avoir lu :)

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#309 Added by Beeficus 4 years ago  

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Oxxy

Bonjour à tous ! Désoler de relancer le truc mais ...

Pourquoi avoir interdit le multibox sur OP, Boss maraud et évenement et pas sur changements de saison? Déjà qeue nous sommes pas beaucoup à y participer dans les zones pvp mais si on se tape des team de 15 en face avec des joueurs a 4 compte ... Ca va ENCORE dégouter tout le monde.

Le multiboxing a étais "interdit" pour pas qu'un camp prennent l'avantage gracee à ça mais sur les changements de saison .. l'avantage est quand même monstrueux.

Personnellement l'interdire sur boss, roi .. si ils sont untag pvp je trouve pas ca dérangant ca empêche pas les autres de joué .. Mais sur les activités principalement PVP la c'est problèmatique.

Merci de m'avoir lu :)

Yeah, ban those evil alts. Ban alts from using picks. Ban alts from PvP zones. Ban people from talking about alts. Ban the alt key. Take a screwdriver and rip it from your keyboard. Why not? Just ban any problem that upsets a kami, real or imagined. That always works out so well for the game.

What's the matter Oxxy? You dont have enough sups? Did Mathimat come along and dig something you wanted? Or are you just laying awake at night sweating and worrying about alts?

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#310 Added by Oxxy 4 years ago  

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Ce n'est pas ce que je dis Beef .. Ca m'arrive de jouer a 3 ou 4 compte pour forer ou pve je vois aucun soucis avec ca :) Je dis juste que si c'est interdit sur des activées boss maraud, roi, etc et pas sur changement de saison c'est pas correcte.

La seul chose qui me dérange c'est de ramener 4 personnages pour pvp alors que l'équipe en question est déjà équilibré ou en surnombre. C'est uniquement pour gagner avec 0 fair-play.

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#311 Added by Sinvaders 4 years ago  

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Lache l'affaire Oxxy, ils s'en battent le coquillard du "pas fair-play de combattre avec 4 alts qui healent en meme temps".

#312 Added by Oxxy 4 years ago  

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Je me doute Sin .. Mais c'est quand même relou .. A la base je compter pas relancer le sujet mais les GM en DM mon dis de faire comme ca ..

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#313 Added by Elke 4 years ago  

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Oxxy somewhat has a point. The situation s/he talks about gave the impression that there was one person with 3 or 4 alts as heal support. That does make an uneven and un-enjoyable playing ground in PvP situations.

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#314 Added by Beeficus 4 years ago  

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So just to summarize:

The Marauders are accusing the Kamis of breaking the alt rules, both openly and using account-sharing, for bosses, NPC bosses and OP battles.
The Kamis are accusing the Marauders of doing the same.
There are fingers being pointed, bans being handed out and rescinded, endless drama and headaches all around.
Every faction has lost players as a direct result of changes to the CoC regarding alts.
Since this time last year, there is as of right now less balance between factions, more drama and accusations than ever and more work and headaches for the devs and for the support team.

It might be time to admit that this was a bad idea, made for bad reasons and badly implemented.

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#315 Added by Dullahan 4 years ago  

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just embrace the alts, other games have built in bots ffs, an alt being controlled by another human is not as bad as that, and those alt owners won't be rping for you even if you ban them.

and the ryzom team banned alts but didn't improve anything on the solo experience of this game, talk about tunnel vision.

I've been trying to solo level my toon, just to try it out, the sitting regen is enough time for me to make a coffe, take a P, watch a yt video, and the hp bar is still not full.


the potions side effects are more of a drag than anything, flowers don't do much, there was a good idea to improve solo experience like the firecamp regen but was ignored.

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