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#285 Added by Sinvaders 4 years ago [fr]

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Imagine a game mechanics that would kill others parts of the game?

(talking about the fact with an ele pod on your head your uber-good jewelry are useless).

#286 Added by Bones 4 years ago Multilingual

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Nobody remembers when the OP battles were actually organized. You can say they are now but this is the reason I don't play them anymore. It's boring. We had multi guilds in voice chat and it worked out. I think it's more fun to learn how to beat something rather than just play Post Malone, just saying. If people learned to have an open mind rather than just shoot things down because they don't agree with it, we wouldn't be where we're at. This "friendly" community refuses to have an actual debate and just passes judgement when they don't agree with someone. Good luck!!!!

#287 Added by Bones 4 years ago Multilingual

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Ya probably could assign a team to deal with the clones instead of going hero 1v4 too. I don't know. I just don't think dig 1000000000000000 mats for launchers and complain about alts on forum is very constructive either. Some want to be remembered as a "dominant force" during a pandemic. **DEL** Disrespectfull
Bones

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#288 Added by Virg 4 years ago [en]

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If you want to come to an OP you will see we are organised and wiping double our numbers on low threshold rounds and trying out lots of different tactics- but as I said previously Bones, it's not about winning or loosing. Just from my point of view OP wars are 1000% more fun without alts and when they involve tactics other than just button smashing, likewise this has been mirrored speaking to other players across all factions. In my ideal world all alts would be banned from OP wars and would be allowed in PVE.. but heyho its the devs that dropped this bombshell one everyone, this is just a place where people can share their opinions :)

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#289 Added by Bones 4 years ago Multilingual

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I hear ya. I had to come here to say my useless piece though. It doesn't affect me since I'm just here to see what happens next. I hope everyone has an enjoyable time but to me one alt is the same as eight. My fun is chatting with you all and playing on forums. Some like to play many characters. Others excell in 1v1. We all have different views of fun so I would hope we can find an honest solution is all rather than just take someone's joy.

#290 Added by Nitrouss 4 years ago [en]

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Virg

Nitrouss
Bucshotz
In an OP war, the ones who are at a disadvantage are the ones not using 4 toons to nuke one target or heal the same target.

4 toons nuking you makes even jewels worthless, so how can you even say those using 4 toons are at a disadvantage?

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Yet still you dont understand mechainces of the game, you can have 50 poeple in your guild do the same to anything you target. it will die instantly.
you don't wnat to use the mechanics yet complain about someone that does?
you have the same ability. you can ask 3 other members in your team or guild to do the same... your target will die instantly. they can set it all up in 3 keys.
you can even nuke and heal in 1 button.

Yeh bucs.. learn game mechanics... lol.. Thanks Nit but we know a bit more than just macroing to either heal or nuke on 1 button although golly gosh that really is impressive!

The days of 50 people in a guild are gone.. Try 25 people in a faciton. Try 25 people in a faction against what should be even numbers but because of alts turns into fighting 50+. As I have stated before we have won against those odds and lost against those odds but win or lose it all comes back to the same thing.. a massive alt heal pod at OP wars is boring, sucks and turns OPs into a spam fest (but from the sounds of it you are well versed in spam fests). Sure it brings the challenge of how can we wipe that pod which is why pretty much all of us are launcher masters and still manage to wipe double our numbers but OPs should be more about skill not just how many alts you can sub, log and spam 1 on.

I completely agree with might virg and buckshot,
Everyone should play the game as specified virg and buckshot, nobody should use an alt even if they want to pay for more accounts, if anyone plays the game differently they should be driven out of the game.
OPs should be a solo pvp challenge so a faction of 25 players can beat them.
These guys can really teach us a lot about building a community and a family/guild :)
What would I know I only spam one button! :D

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#291 Added by Virg 4 years ago [en]

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I completely agree with Nit, everyone should all sub 4 toons and spend loads of money to win. Once everyone all has 4 toons subbed lets add more P2W elements. What I want to see in the game:

- buy a 100% boosting tool for money
- GM powers unlockable with payments
- Add a RL money only wheel with chances to unlock vorkoo as a mount, unlock jena as a character option and many more things!

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#292 Added by Bucshotz 4 years ago [en]

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Now we're getting somewhere!

Let's just make Ryzom Pay2Win like every other game!

I'd like to pay for every color of Marauder skirt that hasn't been released along with the things you guys have mentioned.

Also, what about paid armor and weapons that are 200% stats?

I'm all in lets do it!

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#293 Added by Jayneylou 4 years ago [en]

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Bones

Nobody remembers when the OP battles were actually organized. You can say they are now but this is the reason I don't play them anymore. It's boring. We had multi guilds in voice chat and it worked out. I think it's more fun to learn how to beat something rather than just play Post Malone, just saying. If people learned to have an open mind rather than just shoot things down because they don't agree with it, we wouldn't be where we're at. This "friendly" community refuses to have an actual debate and just passes judgement when they don't agree with someone. Good luck!!!!

I remember Mr. Bones ;)

#294 Added by Elvanae 4 years ago [en]

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If multiboxers want to have a go at anyone it really should be at fellow multiboxers who exploit and/or utilise multiboxing in a way which is against the ToC.

Most tickets about multiboxers are in relation to suspected botting. Most complaints are in relation to multiboxers exploiting the current rules in a way which is by general consensus considered unfair.

Multiboxing is very common in Ryzom but not everyone who multiboxes brings their alts to an OP battle. Some, however, do and some also bot. It is the conduct of these partiuclar multiboxers that has led to an increasing number of tickets and complaints by a significant portion of the playerbase.

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#295 Added by Beeficus 4 years ago [en]

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What really strikes me about this "compromise" is that we are being told that our hard work is being taken from us, not because we have done anything wrong but only because of complaints.

When the servers merged, we had all our stuff taken from us. After years of refusing to intervene with multiboxing, a 4 toon limit was imposed. And now after continuing to follow the rules we are being further restricted and the reason we are given?

"To save the soul of Ryzom".

This is clearly about OP battles, and the proposes changes are both directly and indirectly intended to intervene on behalf of a faction who seem to have some kind of direct input into decisions being made.

Edited 2 times | Last edited by Beeficus (4 years ago)

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#296 Added by Sinvaders 4 years ago [en]

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Beeficus

This is clearly about OP battles, and the proposes changes are both directly and indirectly intended to intervene on behalf of a faction who seem to have some kind of direct input into decisions being made.

The use of alts in OP battle is just creating an unbalance.
But I do agreed with your post on a general matter.
It looks like it's a decision taken to please everyone without fixing anything and adding more work to the CSR team (how they will check that? if it's allowed to use more alts everywhere else?)

#297 Added by Virg 4 years ago [en]

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Beeficus

Our hard work is being taken from us

It really does suck that you out so much time into your toons and are being limited on them and I really do sypmathise. Personally I would take the "our" out of that and whilst it may apply to you it doesn't to others. Account sharing is not particularly hard work.

Beeficus

intervene on behalf of a faction who seem to have some kind of direct input into decisions being made.

Oh yes us marauders totally have a direct input into Ryzom development! Thats why we have tons of marauder missions, including multiple ways to drop our fame without clicking a load of renounces. Also why we have marauder roleplay meetings, marauder pink OP mats and this amazing marauder teleport animation that has a zinukean pink animation with black smoke that curls around you as you teleport. Also the reason why we had a marauder new horizons with a cool marauder pick. Don't forget our amazing marauder occupations and our specific marauder encyclopedia rites - really glad we have those! Definitely sounds like we have a direct input into all of that :)
[Please note dev team this is not in anyway a dig at you, after all we are best buds apparently]

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#298 Added by Kotai 4 years ago [en]

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I totally get limiting it for OP battles. However, what I don't understand is banning multiple alts for so many other aspects of the game, thus reducing an already dwindling subscriber base.

If instead of spending the time and effort on a topic like this, they worked to fix an underlying problem of only a handful of OPs still being valuable, the game would be that much better off.

#299 Added by Beeficus 4 years ago [en]

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I feel like presenting the option for self-appointed hall monitors to follow my friends and I around to make sure we dont engage in "forbidden activities" with our alts is only going to increase the propblem of weaponised support tickets.

Also while we are being followed around, screenshotted and otherwise harassed anyone can just log their friends accounts in for NPC hunts and OP battles and do whatever they want with nobody the wiser.

As far as compromises go this seems extremely harsh and ill-concieved.

I would accept for a compromise being limited to 2 accounts for OP battles, but why limit the rest of my game? My guild can still farm NPC bosses without 2 of my toons, and bosses? Who cares about bosses? I pretend to be asleep when people message me about bosses. Restricting gameplay outside of faction warfare will just encourage ongoing targeted harassment without solving any real problems.

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