Multiboxing - GENERAL - Ryzom Community Forum

#28 Added by Azazor 5 years ago [fr]

zauza

You are taking this art-form away from this game.

Donc maintenant, jouer à plusieurs alt en même temps, c'est de l'art? :facepalm:

zauza

ok, are you trying to solve the problem of "fairness" to other players with less money and weaker computers? i get that, make the game enjoyable for all. By that logic all alts (even 2) must be banned (see my 2nd paragraph).

Pour les petites config, 1 alt en plus du perso principal, ça tient. Au delà, ça pose problème.

beeficus

I did not say anything about killing a boss alone. I said that in the afternoons in my time zone, it is impossible to fill a team because there are just not enough players online. Even with 2 toons I can still kill bosses alone.

Alors de quoi vous plaignez-vous? Vous avez déjà de quoi faire la quasi totalité des choses sur ryzom avec de vrais joueurs à vos horaires. Vous voulez quoi de plus? Pouvoir faire les boss maraud?

beeficus

But since you want to talk about the way the game was intended to be played why dont we ban Chanchey NPC hunts? They were intended as guild challenges, not to be killed by a random mob.

Le Chancey boss hunt, ça peut se tenir en terme de RP. Après tout, les marauds sont des ennemis de bien des nations/factions. Et c'est des joueurs avec d'autres joueurs. Donc même si personnellement je trouve ça pas terrible ce mélange de tout et n'importe qui (surtout azazor, ça lui file; des boutons), ça passe quand même. C'est un peu dommage, mais ça passe.
(Et techniquement de toute façon, on ne peut pas les interdire.)

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#29 Added by Azazor 5 years ago [en]

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Soleya

Dans ce cas, ne peut-on pas commencer par laisser la limite à quatre personnages, mais rendre le règlement plus strict en interdisant les alts sur op et sur roi par exemple, et attendre au moins quelques semaines après la reprise du travail pour tout le monde avant de prendre une décision aussi importante sans en avoir parlé de façon plus approfondie avec les joueurs?

Leur interdire la présence d’alts sur les ops par exemple ne me semble pas si compliqué, puisque s'ils sont présents, un simple screen/vidéo envoyé à un GM et hop, un ban (c’est bien plus facile à prouver que l’utilisation de bots il me semble).

Il faut avoir répertorié tous les alt des joueurs. Et rien ne les empêchera d'en faire des tout neufs. Je ne pense pas que ce soit aussi simple.
Vous parlez de pertes aussi. ça représente quoi les joueurs avec 3-4 alt en même temps et qui ne vont pas accepter la décision au point de partir? Une poignée de joueur. Donc même dans l'intérêt purement financier, je ne suis pas sûr que Ryzom y perde au change.

Pareil pour l'idée d'etchelion d'un programme anticheat. Vous êtes au courant qu'on est sur ryzom? C'est pas la foire au dév hein? XD

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#30 Added by Beeficus 5 years ago [en]

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What I am complaining about is that how I play is being dictated by people who have nothing to do with me, who are completely unaffected by it and who have no reason to complain other than FOMO.

What I am complaining about is that this is the second time a rule has been changed to restrict the way I and others play based solely on complaints by the devs favourite players.

What I am complaining about is that so many of you continue to talk about "software" and continue to accuse me of cheating even tho it has never been established that anyone in the game is currently using software, yet I am still being treated as if I am guilty by default.

What I am complaining about is that this is a blatantly political move that is designed to drive me and my friends out of the game, and nothing more.

If this weekend has showed anything, it has showed that good players utilising good teamwork can beat an opponent with greater numbers (alts or not). The OP battle complaint is foolish, as that complaint was NEVER addressed before the merge when the Kamis had the alt advantage. It wasnt addressed until it affected the french players. I have never fought with any group of people over a boss kill. I have always played politely, shared and helped others. This "massive advantage" that I am being accused of having through "external software" is nothing more than a jealous perception from people who are afraid they are missing out on something, completely ignoring the other inherent imbalances that are impossible to change, for example physical distance from the server, active populations during time zones, and many others.

You want to ask me what MY complaint is? This is not happening because of MY complaint. This is happening because of yours.

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#31 Added by Mathimat 5 years ago Multilingual

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But you can’t let us invest in our alts for ten years and suddenly take them away.

#32 Added by Jenn 5 years ago [fr]

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Mathimat

Mais vous ne pouvez pas nous laisser investir dans nos alts pendant dix ans et nous les enlever tout à coup.

c'est pas faux :p

Et Soleya a aussi des arguments... et c'est vrai aussi que sur les temps US (ai bp joué la nuit, car travaillant en horaires décalés), il y a biien moins de monde.

peux-etre cela aurait été bien de prendre le temps d'en parler avant ?

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#33 Added by Dinorath 5 years ago [en]

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Mathimat

But you can’t let us invest in our alts for ten years and suddenly take them away.

Apparently they can. Some may call a good decision, I call it a lack of respect for the ones that invested time and money for over a decade playing by the rules.

The ball is yours, do what you want with it. Good luck, and may Ryzom live.

#34 Added by Andokai 5 years ago [en]

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To be asked directly to the support team support@ryzom.com

It's not the place for this.

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#35 Added by Maestitia 5 years ago [fr]

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First of all: I dislike alts, but this is only my opinion and i wont use them (my alt is still lvl1 standing in void)
Its a bit annoying when you walk with people through PR when you got an alt and theyre not properly skilled when using them.
But just a tiny bit.
I see the fun and challenge of using multiple alts tho, and i feel everyone should play how one wants.

I know some multiboxers and those people were some of the more social people around. People who dig with multiple toons just so they can make pretty armours and weapons for newcomers. Constantly helpful, prosperous to this community.
I dont really want to imagine how those active players feel now, i really do not. It fills me up with sadness to see this
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Ban the alts from OP wars, screenshot if there is some violation. Same could be done for bosses.
In this game that promotes freedom so heavily, it is sad to see such a dictative decision - Hypocrisy at its finest.

I may not be around here the longest. in fact im a toddler compared to most of Homins here.
Maybe my perception may be impaired, but it feels like most complaints come from marauders, who just came back recently.
Given the situation i strongly doubt those maras will stay for long.

But yeah, sure, keep listening to those players who wont stay here, change the rules, destroys peoples fun and hard work, just because someone who will leave after 3 months of playing again.

For those RP reasons, let me tell you im a RP fullblood, but RP is just like religion: you dont shove it into everyones face.
(OOT: also id like to say that most peoples RP here is really really bad RP "you not my nation i dont play with you bye" instead of a proper trashtalk? This just seems like a lowkey way to ventilate your inner hate, just my two cents on this.)

tldr: id like to see not an alt army on OP wars, or doing someone a boss, or farming dante that way. but this is not the right way. not at all.
Dont push a stick through your wheel while riding a bicycle, Ryzom Team.

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#36 Added by Andokai 5 years ago [fr]

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To be asked directly to the support team support@ryzom.com

It's not the place for this.

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#37 Added by Ulukyn 5 years ago Multilingual

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The new CoC are not applyied yet. Will be applyied in future.
This is an open discussion to get opinion of everyone.

Sorry if you misunderstand it, maybe too obvious for us that's not possible to change the CoC like that without discussion.

Ryzom forge are, for us, a space for discussion with players, can explain our misstake...

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#38 Added by Mandabear 5 years ago Multilingual

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Irrelevant and disrespectfull

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#39 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en]

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Off-topic
Keep the discussion around Multiboxing and the indicated changes.
Identifying and dealing with actual cases of third-party software usage is a CSR Task, not a player one.

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#40 Added by Andokai 5 years ago [fr]

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Ulukyn,

Are you saying that we can play with four characters now?

Please answer yes or no so it inst confusing for anyone.

#41 Added by Hayt 5 years ago [en]

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really just curious,
will you also demand a full refund of all money spent if, for example, game discontinue and server shut down?

#42 Added by Ulukyn 5 years ago Multilingual

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As long as the new CoC are not modified and until you have to accept them after a patch or a subscription/payement, the current CoC remains applyied.

So you can log in and control 4 characters at the same time. But... we will also make more controls and the video can be a proof of automated actions.

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