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Unfortunately, I had no control over this .... my "flag" kept changing to french ... I was having to reset it every time I came on the forum ... even after this post.    After some support discussions on RC, I think it's finally fixed.
Yes it was great .... Please explain what do you object to with "in your words" "Arispotle" people doing what they like to do, Aniro folk doing what they like to do and Leanon folk doing what they want to do ?  Or anyone else.   I go to a restaurant and it has menu choices ... people who don't want to eat red meat have options ... people whp prefer seafood have options, people who want a salad have that option.   What's with the "No damn it, you will eat hot dogs, you will pay for them and like it" routine !

I don't pay my monthly subscription to make your game enjoyable the way you want to play it.  A subset of the player base, from all servers but mostly Aniro,  treats Atys like Napoleon and demands that everyone play their way ... that is not goiung to happen because if it does, the game can not survive.    You wanna make believe you are a  superhero, you have the right to do so, and I'm fine with that  fine ... you want to make belive you are an evil sociopath, you have the right to do so and I'm fine with that .... but you don't have the right to dicate that anyone else  join your imaginarly world.


Ok so since we are getting less services ... less content, less access to rewards, etc.,  ..... and missing all these "RP Events" because we are sleeping, it could be argued that subscriptions should be different and priced accordingly based upon access to this content.

Could also be said that thewestern folk "subsidizing" the euro folk.  What about the folks down under ?  I spend at least 2/3 my logged in time creating tools, testing DMs, filing bug reports.  You want people  to pay the same, get less and, ..... on top of that,  change our play styles to fit the game YOU enjoy  ?

Please reread the existing terms and conditions, you seem to have misread.  Ryzom *** IS *** one of them.  Always has been.

Interesting and thoughtful interpretation that made me think on several topics but I don't see how anyone that was not "in the room" is in a position to say what it was created for.  But these facts remain:

1.  Nevrax not only "did not prohibit" MB but spefically coded it into the game with the "/multi command".  Didn't even need a 2nd account early on.  And they specifically made a point of adding it in the CoC.  I am therefore unable to "make the leap" to reach the "wasn't created for" conclusion when the devs went through the trouble of creating specific coding allowing it.

2.  Every ownership since has specifically addressed it in the CoC.

I have 4 PCs and 2 laptops in this room.  I choose not to use multiple toons ... I consider using a dig or heal slave a personal affront to my toon's "character" if you will or perhaps better said, I'm here for the entertainment and the challenge; for me that challenge is doing things w/o alts.

But I also don't see it within my purview to dictate how other players play the game ... I find it very uncomfortable that other players do.


AFAIK, no one has been found to be using any 3rd party tool.  This has been investigated and the powers that be have found that a) the individual is controlling the alts within the rules of the game and b)  the allegations were false.

Outside of politics "people are saying" does not constutute the burden of proof.  The evidence has been voluntarily submitted, thoroughly examined and charges soundly refuted.   People just have to accept the fact that certain players have developed a skill level, within the boundary of the existing game rules that exceeds their own and they simply don't want to to have to admit that fact to themseves.

On one hand, I have no axe to grind ... on the other I know little about the skills involved to master it.   I play the game to give my brain a rest, work is stressful; make a mistake and things fall down and people die.  I don't want to "relax" by concentrating on doing 4-5 things at once.

The only argument I see against MB falls under the "pay to win" concept" .  I once had 3 accounts ... my own and 2 of my sons.    Is me playing all 3 really that different than having each of them play.   It's a hard questions because the answer will always depend upon where you are sitting .... and I'm not even sitting in the room since I don't use alts ever.

Since the opportunity is open to all, the only complaint can be ... "he / she is better than me and I can't compte" because a) I can't afford to or b)  I don't have the skills.

a)  This can be considered unfair
b)  This is just "whinerbagging"

On the admin side, why process 5 transactions paying 5 sets of processing fees. What if anything could be done with a different type of account that allows 1 processing fee and allows X number of toons to launch ?   Perhaps do a deal for $34.95 for up to 5 toons and I womder if that would allow closer activity monitoring so that all the imagined 3rd party software / botting fears would go away.

*withdrawn*

Let's say it again for the people in the cheap seats!!!



I do realize that. That did seem to have been the start to all of this mess LOL But if that was added then people would have to own up to just being angry that others are better or can afford to do it. You know, the other answer B)... whinerbagging. ;)


I personally would love something like this. An easier way to pay would be great but I don't care about a discount. Not speaking at you Freddy, just in general... As far as an alt goes, I could do what ever with Khao unsubbed. I choose to sub her because I want to pay to support the parts of Ryzom I know cost money. I remember the dark days of Nevrax>Game Forge when servers were shutting down and what not. I don't ever want to see that again. I still have PTSD >.>


You're not wrong there. But again I have lines and those homins are not someone I would like to help. I'm just a peron that can fight you in a battle then help you level or whatever. I also wish there was a way for you to work that heal, cause damn it you deserve it!

So maybe the EU volunteers should just stop doing what they do. Everyone will be at the same level of experience.
It's what happened when there is no money to pay people to do a job, you rely on volunteers and you can't force them to do something at 4a.m to please your customers but you can hire people to do this job (but that requires money).

Talking about paying the same and having less: why do I pay the same amount as you and I don't have access to occupation (cities and I can't enter cities) ? Maybe, they should lower my sub price as well as yours.

It's all over the old forums. It's not necessary now because the current installer makes it much more simple.


Not having an alt would not force me to ask for help or to team. My timing and situation will not change no matter what. All it will do is make me get maybe 10 less grind mats per node. Not really a big deal to me. Also, there is still the dear Yaandor out there in the lakes living a great life not teaming or asking any one for any thing. Alts don't dictate how other players play.

Please dont remove this by saying its irrelevant


Just remember that your had an influx of players because of a pandemic

you should look at the facts.

the game was designed to be played in a way that everyone can target one persons target and follow a leader, we have a macro system that enables that, anyone who refutes this doesnt understand the mechanics of the game.

ingame tools are provided so that 8 individual players in a team can target the team leaders target, follow heal and nuke all in 3 keys.

you only need three buttons and a mouse to play this game if you use the ingame macro system

so the questions regarding multiple toons should be.

1. how many accounts are registered to the same email
2. how many are paid for by the same person. (credit card)
3. how many of these are still active
4. how many pandemic subs did you gain or will lose as people go back to work.

here is my personal point of view:

pre merger i ran an entire guild where everyone was taught the macro system, everyone had a role to play in PvP and PvE, we used voice communication and everone only needed three keys for outpost wars as part of any position they played in the team. We won 99.9% of our battles, the key was teamwork, voice communication and understanding the mechanics of the game.

i can say this without a doubt that anyone playing 4 characters at once is at a disadvantage when playing against a well organised opponent team unless they have team of individual players backing them up.

I agree with NItrouss. That's why I said all or nothing because to reduce the number of alts down to one just seems too convenient and a lazy solution. If people are taking the time to level and pay for these accounts because that gives them enjoyment they should have the right to be heard just as the people who complain about it. This has gone on for years, we come and go, OPs always end up changing hands once the sides figure out what to do. This doesn't affect me at all but I had to agree with Nit on this one. Have a good night and see ya later :)