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#243 Added by Kaetemi 3 years ago [en]

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Jadeyn

Q : Is building the client and server still a pain in the ass or has it become easier ? I know this was a sticking point for some people a few years ago.
Especially running an operational ryzomcore server rather than the build itself.
Why not provide some basic primitives to have a working ryzomcore ? I'm thinking for example of the old racial start zone.
A : The client build is now done via a small script on Windows, the same script will be adapted to Linux.
As for the server, the build is also simple, but ... The server build is more complicated, especially since it requires private datas.
But ryzomcore provides a complete archive, turnkey to launch a core server.
Which in the vast majority of cases will suffice.

You can link to this directly, and you're welcome. (This is still in preview, so please share any issues.)

https://wiki.ryzom.dev/development/quickstart_windows

The package provides not only the server & client development environment, but the complete graphics and leveldesign pipeline.

It only takes about an hour to set up a local development environment and shard.

We'd love to see the old islands fully released, but WG so far won't allow us. They are empty for now.

Jadeyn

Q : Wasn't the rudimentary data available from Silan when the client/server became open source ? Is it still available ?
A : It is still available and ryzomcore is adding missing data continuously.

We only have permission to release data that does not contain any unreleased balancing or mob placement data, and only the essentials to make the assets, client and server fully build and run.

Landscape can be fully built now. We painstakingly restored several missing source assets for the Ring landscape that were lost in the transition from Gameforge to WG. (And in the process fixed some islands that were broken in the original build.)

Additionally, a group of disgruntled ex-players is working on creating tools and spreadsheets to generate new data procedurally. Currently all mobs and equipment items are usable, allowing you to create your own world using both World Editor and the Ring. Player actions and materials are not yet available and still in the works.

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Kaetemi

#244 Added by Arcueid 3 years ago [en]

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Kaetemi

Currently all mobs and equipment items are usable, allowing you to create your own world using both World Editor and the Ring. Player actions and materials are not yet available and still in the works.

I'm following this project for a while and I had tears in my eyes seeing (a more or less empty) ring shard working on my own machine! I miss this game mechanic so much and I am very thankful to all the people involved who fixed the many issues this project had.

I hope to see some of these mechanics return to the main game again, esp. for roleplay and / or events this could add some excitement granted the tools and shard is stable with a larger group of players.

I'm excited for Ryzom to see so many new projects appearing, interest in the game is still strong.

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#245 Added by Ghost of Atys 3 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting (October 4th 2021)

Date: monday, October 4th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:

Atys, on the public forge channel

Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en

Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.

Agenda
Database migration and webIg server change
Feedbacks on the Patch: Kitinlair occupations, Boss refactoring, Marauder gameplay
Recrutement: Event team, Support Team, Translation team

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#246 Added by Jadeyn 3 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting report – 04 October 2021

Ulukyn

I'm going to review the migration and the patching that went on.
We had planned to migrate the very old web server that contained the webig and nevrax tools to a new fresh server.
In order to minimize the problems, it was agreed to migrate only the database (step 1), upgrade the server to a ubuntu version still in LTS (16.04) at least (step 2).
Then on the server me.ryzom.com make a copy of the apps and test them in php 7 (step 3).
Finally when everything would be ok, we would switch app.ryzom.com on me.ryzom.com (step 4).
Then finally a new server will come to add the replication in case it is necessary to switch services (step 5).
Well ... All this was without anticipating that the web server would fail.
This forced us to finally do steps 1 to 5 in 24 hours.
So, report of the operations :
All our servers are currently running Ubuntu 20.04.
The old web server is going to leave us (but no one is going to mourn it ...).
We have the main applications running without major errors (quite a few warnings that we will correct as we go along).
But overall, it's a very good thing done and no more big migrations are planned.
The next updates will be done during a reboot on the Atys server so that the game will not be blocked anymore.
So for the migration, we are not bad.
If there are any questions about this, don't hesitate.

Q : We have just seen that a server failure can always happen. However, as I understand it, there are not enough servers to ensure true redundancy.
Is this taken into account in the BCP/DRP ? In fact, is there such a thing as BCP/DRP ?
Not everyone is familiar with the technical terms, can you rephrase ?
Business continuity plan / disaster recovery plan : basically, the crisis management plan.
(Cf. SGDSN guide on the topic).

A : The database will be replicated with me.ryzom.com, the code too.
app.ryzom.com and me.ryzom.com will be mirrored in order to take over in case of.
All via ip failover to not have to wait for DNS propagation.

Ulukyn

If no other questions we can move on to the patch.
There is still a problem to fix concerning the occupations of the Kitin Lair which are bugged.
This will be solved soon, but we don't know if it'll be necessary to patch and reboot the server or not.
We'll keep you informed.
Boss refactoring has been fixed at launch and for the moment is running normally.
If all goes well, at the next reboot/patch we will apply the system to all Atys.

Q : When will that be estimated ?

A : Difficult to say, it will be necessary to adjust this according to the feedback of Boss Refactoring and the events of Anlor Winn.
Also missing are the icons for the Marauder mini camps (which will be added without needing a patch).

Q : If the old Boss system has a minimum respawn time of ~2 days, what's the minimum respawn time for the current new Boss system ?

A : Very good question ...
It is exactly of ...
Damn ... They deleted my post !
Well, too bad !

Q : Good evening. The wheel had problems, is it spining correctly ? And above all to bring back prizes ?

A : Yes. According to my tests, it is good.
I have added the id and the name of the items that we win in the info system.
If the wheel is blocked or an item is not won, just send us the screenshot of the info system.

Q : Does it work when you win a whole furniture too ? I feel like I've never been able to recuperate them.
The Id of the item, it also works for the complete pieces of furniture that we win at the wheel ?

A : Yes. So if it bugs, I'll know which item.

Ulukyn

If no other questions, openssl ?
I know everyone is looking forward to this topic.
So, to put it simply, our clients are no longer compatible with a modification of the let's encrypt certificates.
Which remains one of the major authorities for providing ssl certificates.
To understand : it is thanks to them that we secure our websites in https.
And as a result clients are no longer able to access https sites that have a let's encrypt certificate (which is the case for our servers).
There is a configuration that allows to keep compatibility with clients using openssl 1.0 (so the old version).
This is what we did while waiting to update the clients.
Currently we are testing Windows 64 bits and Linux 64 bits clients with openssl 3.0 and no major issues.
We will apply the same modification to Steam and Macos versions.
If you are hosting webig apps that are no longer accessible from the game, you can come see me and I will help you configure your server to enable compatibility (this is a certbot option).
Well, it's still under discussion but we wonder if we will continue to maintain 32 bits versions under Linux (and Windows).
There are really very few people left on 32 bits configuration.

Q : Your last sentence let me suppose that I have my answer : is there a volume of Windows (7, 8, 10), Linux (I don't make the list), MacOS clients with 32 or 64 bits precision ?
Without revealing it to us of course. Or percentages, maybe ?

A : We use Steam's stats as a basis, but we don't have this kind of information on our side.
MacOS it's easy : there are no more 32 bits clients for years.

Q : My new laptop that is Windows 10 will only run ryzom on 32 bits config so what will happen to that ?
I had to go into advanced config and choose 32 bits, to make it work.

A : The OS is 32 bits ?
So we have at least one player still in 32 bits.
We can talk about it again in private message, it can be interesting to know what forces the use of 32 bits.

Q : Hum, why openSSL 3.0, and not 1.1 ? 3.0 seems a bit too experimental, for now.

A : It has been stable since September 7.
It is only used with curl in a very basic way.

Q : If I may interject, that wasn't a change in let's encrypt certificates : one of their root certificate expired, which is quite different.
All the certificates were cross-signed and therefore there was another path to valid root.
As far as I know the issue was that old versions of OpenSSL have troubles finding this alternate path.
New certificates shouldn't have this issue, therefore a quick workaround could be to rotate the certificates before their expiration date.
That's not perfect because each app would have to do so, but it seems better that whatever hack.
By the way, there is better ACME client than certbot, but this is a different topic.

A : We based this information on : https://openssl.org/blog/blog/2021/09/13/LetsEncryptRootCertExpir e/ .
And indeed, an openssl 1.0.2 client doesn't work, if you upgrade it to openssl 3.0 it works.

A : Yes, that's what I explained.

A : Ah ok, great then !
This meeting is quite technical !

Now the last topic : recruitment.

Support Team
The Support team continues its recruitment campaign.
We need you, your availability, your technical knowledge and gameplay of the game but also your diplomacy, to expand our ranks and best meet the expectations of players.
To learn more, please see this post : https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/22047/2 #2 .
To apply, contact Tamarea exclusively at tamarea@ryzom.com

Event team
We're looking for volunteers who want to help write event scripts, or who want to become actors by playing a character in the events we play.
Training is provided, and entry into acting is done very gradual to allow time for the recruit to get his bearings.
To apply, contact Tamarea exclusively at tamarea@ryzom.com

Translation Team
We are looking for volunteers to translate in-game texts and official announcements into English, German, Spanish, Russian, French, and to proofread texts.
To apply, contact Tamarea exclusively at tamarea@ryzom.com

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#247 Added by Margote 3 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting (November 8th 2021)

Date: monday, November 8th, 20:30 UTC (21:30 CET)

Meeting places:

Atys, on the public forge channel

Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en

Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.

Agenda[list]
Current projects
Pen-and-paper role-playing game in Ryzom universe
OP refactoring
Recrutement: Event team, Support Team, Translation team

#248 Added by Nilstilar 3 years ago Multilingual

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Compte-Rendu de la réunion de Ryzom Forge – 8 novembre 2021

1 - Jeu de rôle sur table dans l’univers de Ryzom

Drumel (RT) – 20:39 UTC

Depuis quelques temps nous travaillons pour mettre au point un jeu de rôle dans l'univers de Ryzom. L'objectif est de pouvoir jouer en dehors des Nouvelles Terres, soit sur les Anciennes Terres, maintenant ou avant les essaims, soit dans d'autres endroits plus reculés. Des lieux qui ne seront jamais dans le MMO, par exemple des endroits où la résurrection n'existe pas.
Il y a une première ébauche jouable, et j'ai besoin de testeurs, dans un premier temps une ou deux équipes de quatre. Des personnes pour jouer et signaler ce qui marche bien et donner des suggestions d'amélioration. Pour l'instant, la version de travail est en français, et mon niveau dans les autres langues fait que je ne peux faire jouer qu'en français. Mais si un meneur de jeu veut s'investir, on peux mettre en place aussi des tests dans d'autres langues.

Q : Quelle est la finalité de la chose en fait ? J'ai un peu de mal a comprendre le principe de retirer des gens du MMO pour aller sur des zones restreintes alors que justement le MMO manque cruellement de joueurs.
R : Non, ce n'est pas du tout ça ! C'est un complément, on ne va retirer personne du MMO. Le jeu de rôle sur table permet d'explorer l'univers du jeu sans avoir besoin de tehnique, c'est un jeu qui se joue autour d'une table au moyen de papier, de crayons, et de dés. On papote, et on n'a pas besoin d'écran ni d'ordinateur :-) et nous sommes actuellement en train de travailler sur un « Livre de règles ».
Pour schématiser, c'est Donjons & Dragons dans l'univers de Ryzom, si ça parle plus.

Q : De quel type de jeu de table s'agit-il ? Jeu de cartes comme Magic: The Gathering, jeu de cartes avec plan des lieux, plan des lieux avec dés, figurines avec règles ?
R : Ce n'est pas un jeu de cartes, c'est un jeu où chaque joueur incarne un personnage, et un des joueurs, le meneur de jeu, incarne l'environnement complet. (Voir article Wikipédia.)

Q : L'objectif est-il de construire un jeu que puisse publier Winchgate ?
R : A priori le jeu restera en PDF ou en impression à la demande, et sera distribué gratuitement. Quand aux règles, je compte les mettre sous licence CC-By−SA, mais je n'en ai pas encore discuté avec Winchgate.

Q : Je voulais simplement ajouter que le jeu de rôle sur table gagne beaucoup en popularité depuis quelques années, en France. Je ne saurais dire si un jeu de rôle sur table Ryzom réussira à faire venir des rôlistes sur le MMO, mais dans tous les cas, cela peut permettre de faire connaître l'univers. Donc c'est une bonne initiative en soi, car l'univers de Ryzom mérite d'être connu. Avez-vous prévu d'enregistrer / filmer des parties ? En stream, peut-être. Chaud pour tester sinon !
R : Pour l'instant non, et je pense que ça me mettrait trop mal à l'aise pour le faire.

Q : Peut-on avoir une idée précise de la méthode utilisée pour tester, alors ?
R : Précise non, mais ce sera soit une visio, soit juste en vocal avec partage d'écran, peut-être l'utilisation d'un logiciel dédié comme Rolisteam.

Q : Je me demandais si, quand j'aurais envie de jouer avec tel ou tel, je devrais mettre ma webcam, mon micro… Sinon, qu'est-ce que ça va nous apporter de plus ? Un retour à la convivialité ?
R : L'objectif final, au-delà des tests, est de permettre à des joueurs de jouer chez eux ente potes, autour d'une vraie table. Les tests c'est pour aider à la mise au point.
Retour je ne sais pas : personnellement, je n'ai jamais arrêté de pratiquer le jeu de rôle sur table depuis l'université.

Drumel note le nom des cinq participants à la réunion s'étant déclarés intéressés par les tests (dont deux non-francophones qu'il contactera directement par la suite) et retient l'idée d'un appel à testeurs plus large (sur les forums) avant de clore son intervention.

2 - Refonte des avant-postes

Tamarea (RT) – 21:28 UTC

Le projet de refonte des avant-postes est l'actuelle priorité n°1 du Dev.
Maintenant que les tests concernant le GvE sont terminés, nous préparons les prochains tests sur Atys, qui concerneront le GvG. Comme les tests du GvE, ces tests se feront sur des avant-postes spéciaux.
Ulukyn (Dev) viendra présenter en détail cette partie GvG lors de la prochaine réunion de Ryzom Forge.

Q : Comme je suis actuellement sans guilde, je me pose une question : l'absence de batailles d'avant-poste « traditionnelles » depuis quelques semaines est-elle dûe au fait que les guildes sont occupées aux tests ?
R : Non, il y a d'autres explications à cet immobilisme (des participants en donnent quelques unes). Mais ce dernier est la raison pour laquelle nous gardons la refonte des avant-postes en priorité n°1. Nous en reparlerons lors de la prochaine réunion de Ryzom Forge.

3 - Recrutement

Tamarea (RT) – 21:42 UTC

Équipe Support
L’équipe de Support poursuit sa campagne de recrutement de bénévoles.
Nous avons besoin de vous, de votre disponibilité, de vos connaissances techniques et gameplay du jeu mais aussi de votre diplomatie, afin d'agrandir nos rangs et de répondre au mieux aux attentes des joueurs.
Pour en savoir plus, veuillez consulter ce post : https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/22047/2 #2 .
Pour postuler, contactez exclusivement Tamarea à tamarea@ryzom.com, et ne parlez à personne de votre candidature !

Équipe Animation
Nous cherchons des bénévoles souhaitant aider à écrire des scénarios d'event, ou bien souhaitant devenir acteurs en incarnant un personnage lors des events que nous jouons.
La formation est assurée, et l'entrée dans le jeu d'acteur se fait très progressivement pour laisser le temps à la recrue de prendre ses marques.
Rejoignez-nous pour bénéficier de cette expérience unique !
Pour postuler, contactez exclusivement Tamarea à tamarea@ryzom.com et ne parlez à personne de votre candidature !

Équipe Traduction
Nous cherchons des bénévoles afin de traduire des textes en jeu et des annonces officielles en anglais, allemand, espagnol, russe, français, ainsi que pour effectuer la relecture de textes dans ces cinq langues.
Pour postuler, contactez exclusivement Tamarea à tamarea@ryzom.com.

C'était le dernier sujet pour aujourd'hui !
Si vous souhaitez contacter Drumel à propos du jeu de rôle sur table, vous pouvez le faire sur chat.ryzom, ou bien répondre à la suite du compte-rendu de la réunion sur le forum, quand il aura été publié.
La prochaine réunion se tiendra le lundi 6 décembre !
Les deux sujets principaux en seront les Bugs et tests, et la Refonte des avant-postes.

Hors sujet

(21:51 UTC)

Q :Est-ce que ce serait possible de savoir si le patch proposé ici peut être autorisé ? Ça me démange de le partager (et de l'utiliser). Je n'attends pas forcément une réponse définitive maintenant, mais j'aimerais vraiment avoir une réponse officielle à un moment, parce que j'ai envie d'aller chasser les kitins avec mon ami. Et je sais que ce genre de sujet passe facilement à la trappe... En même temps je ne vais pas utiliser et diffuser ce qui peut passer pour un exploit, sans autorisation officielle.
R : Je ne peux pas répondre maintenant, l'idée doit être étudiée par les Devs. Mais nous vous répondrons sur le forum.

La réunion est close à 22:00 UTC

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#249 Added by Kaetemi 3 years ago [en]

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Against the CoC, see: https://en.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/Ryzom_Code_of_Conduct

I.2. Slander or rumour about a Ryzom Team member or Winch Gate

(Major/Minor offence: depending on the degree, the Support Team will decide on each case)Spreading rumours, false accusations or lies against a member of the Ryzom Team or against Winch Gate, in order to harm them or their reputation or honour, is strictly prohibited.The Support team reserves the right to make appropriate decisions based on the seriousness of the facts.

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#250 Added by Magez 3 years ago [en]

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Kaetemi

I have a hard time understanding the principle of taking people out of the MMO

That's the dumbest argument against community projects ever, and this sort of closed minded thinking is why Ryzom will never recover. Adding more target markets does not take away from your existing niche target market. Growing the community does not shrink it.

It would tho, any ryzom player playing another game is taken away from playing ryzom.
Anyone buying the board game who isn't an existing ryzom player and decides to give ryzom a try would be an addition true.
A board game set outside of the game would always primarily target board game players and potential new ryzom players secondary.
No need to be condescending either.

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#251 Added by Gidget 3 years ago [en]

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It would tho, any ryzom player playing another game is taken away from playing ryzom.

Look at the resurgence of CP2020 when Cyberpunk 2077 came out and you'll see how wrong that is. It's a little different there since CP2077 is not an MMO so many peopel will stop playing after beating it a few times, but my point that it's not a zero-sum equation remains.

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#252 Added by Magez 3 years ago [en]

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Magez
It would tho, any ryzom player playing another game is taken away from playing ryzom.

Look at the resurgence of CP2020 when Cyberpunk 2077 came out and you'll see how wrong that is. It's a little different there since CP2077 is not an MMO so many peopel will stop playing after beating it a few times, but my point that it's not a zero-sum equation remains.

I get what you mean, but what i mean is time cannot be spend on both at the same time, spending those 1-2 hours on the board game are 1-2 hours that you are not present/active/engaged into ryzom.
Active playerbase optics is already a problem in ryzom, when 1 person leaves a large crowd it goes unnoticed, when 1 person leaves small group it will.
With your Cyberpunk example its doubtful 100% of cp2020 players that tried cp2077 did all return, of course a themed board game is very different from an mmo, not like going from fps to fps, but it remains that players time will be split regardless if they return.

Regarding the board game itself, i understand the 'fun' but not the benefit of it, the splitting of players activity/time aside, dev-time and resources spend there could have been spend on the main attraction, i also fail to see how it will attract new players besides circles of friends that likely would have already mentioned ryzom if there was interest among them (i hope), in the case of marketing i have doubts and raise the question why marketing ryzom isn't done more in stead and in the case marketing ryzom is already exhausted i fail to see why the board game would then raise new players in its place.

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#253 Added by Kaetemi 3 years ago [en]

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Magez

but what i mean is time cannot be spend on both at the same time, spending those 1-2 hours on the board game are 1-2 hours that you are not present/active/engaged into ryzom

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Against the CoC again.

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#254 Added by Kaetemi 3 years ago [en]

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Magez

dev-time and resources spend there could have been spend on the main attraction

***DEL*** irrelevant.

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#255 Added by Sinvaders 3 years ago [en]

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Magez

Regarding the board game itself, i understand the 'fun' but not the benefit of it, the splitting of players activity/time aside, dev-time and resources spend there could have been spend on the main attraction, i also fail to see how it will attract new players besides circles of friends that likely would have already mentioned ryzom if there was interest among them (i hope), in the case of marketing i have doubts and raise the question why marketing ryzom isn't done more in stead and in the case marketing ryzom is already exhausted i fail to see why the board game would then raise new players in its place.

The person behind this tabletop rpg project is already active in the Lore Team. He is not a developer of the game. So his time wouldn't have been spent on development. Working on a tabletop rpg is a good continuation of the lorist work: it will use the existing lore and extend it.
It is NOT a marketing project too, it's a tabletop rpg that a passionate is making and wants to share it with the community. You are not interested in it, fair enough it's your right so just pass by it won't change anything for you at all.

PS: Ryzom is claiming to have a strong "role-playing" community and looking at feedbacks this tabletop rpg project is receiving tells me it's a false statement.

#256 Added by Magez 3 years ago [en]

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Sinvaders

The person behind this tabletop rpg project is already active in the Lore Team. He is not a developer of the game. So his time wouldn't have been spent on development. Working on a tabletop rpg is a good continuation of the lorist work: it will use the existing lore and extend it.
It is NOT a marketing project too, it's a tabletop rpg that a passionate is making and wants to share it with the community.

Then it should have been posted about in here: YOUR CREATIONS & GUIDES

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#257 Added by Ghost of Atys 3 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting (December 6th 2021)

Date: monday, December 6th, 20:30 UTC (21:30 CET)

Meeting places:

Atys, on the public forge channel

Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en

Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.

Agenda
Update on recent crashes
Feedback on the Client's beta tests
Feedback on Boss refactoring
Progress on OP refactoring (GvG)

Last visit Saturday, 23 November 03:52:36 UTC

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