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#229 Added by Gidget 4 years ago [en] 

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Just my two dappers...

Damages from creature attacks near the Ranger Camp. They will be reduced as it currently causes too many deaths. Character dying too frequently suggests to players that the game is not for them, or that they have misunderstood the rules, increasing the risk that they will abandon Ryzom without delay.

I think that the same is also needed on the road leading West from Yrkanis for much the same reason. While Fairhaven and Pyr are pretty safe, and Zora is okay so long as you leave by the South gate, I lost count of how many fresh-from-Silan Homins I've seen meet an untimely end along that road. Vigourous Gingos/Ragus are fine, and Growling aren't too bad for anyone that completed Silan, but multiple Scowling less than 400m from the gates along the road is a bit much. Level 46 mobs once you get past the Green Seeds camp on your way to Psykopla Knoll is fine, but that close to the city... I've seen more than one player quit as a result of that "challenge", so it might be worth changing.
Silan is in my opinion a pretty complete tutorial as it is now. So, if adding icons to better indicate this or that point seems useful to me, the rest of the refactoring is not, I think, a good idea. Because giving everything to new players as soon as Silan will deprive them of the surprise of discovering Atys. Simplify Silan, why not? But from there to make it a mini-Atys… we might as well remove it and make new players be born directly on Atys.
[i]Ulukyn recalls that it is not a question of turning Silan into a mini-Atys, but only of making sure that Silan gives new players the means to be autonomous, to know what and how to look for on Atys as soon as they set foot there. Because currently, arriving on the mainland is a surprise, yes: to discover almost another game. So the refactoring is not about remaking Atys on Silan, but about providing tantalizing glimpses of Atys on Silan.
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Experience guides opinion, and my experience is different. I did not learn of enchants at all from Silan, nor was there really any discussion of TPs, and Ranged Weapons were a mystery to me aside from seeing a few skills on the skill tree. I learned a lot of what I feel to be very basic information from older players long after doing the missions in Silan. And unlike a lot of newer players, I am an old-school TRPG player who knows and appreciated the value of reading what NPCs say. In fact, I was here a fair while before I realized Silan was merely a tutorial. While some information may technically be there, the presentation needs revamping so that new players can learn without a tutor. It's a lot better than it used to be, but is still a work-in-progress. 

I see Silan as a way to learn the basics and pique the curiousity. While I agree that it should not be "mini-Atys", I also feel that new players that don't get mentored and are merely left in the hands of the NPCs won't even get enough info to get curious. And that is a shame. That's not to say that we should remove all of the mystery (far from it), but the current state of Silan errs on the side of too much mystery. 

On a semi-related note, I think that the "sliding scale" XP rewards system also throws people. Another thing I've seen a lot over the years is questions like, "Why are these Sucking Yubos only giving me 300 XP when I used to get over 1000?". So maybe making it a little more obvious that character growth (XP) is related to relative challenge instead of merely body count would be helpful. 

• Many players I know have actually left Ryzom thinking that the playing field was limited to Silan. For the same reason, some have played Ryzom for only two months… time to exhaust the pleasures of Silan.
This Ulukyn confirms by saying that one of the first questions he is asked when he has the game tested is: "Is this the map of the entire game area?".

That seems to be a common misconception. I saw a "How big is the map" video on Youtube that had an episode about Ryzom, and they were also surprised to learn about Mainland.

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#230 Added by Margote 3 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting (June 14th 2021)


Date: monday, June 14th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:
  • Atys, on the public forge channel
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  • Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en


Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.
Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.
Agenda
  • [Feedback] Last patch
  • [Information] CoC update project

#231 Added by Nilstilar 3 years ago Multilingual 

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Compte-Rendu de la réunion de Ryzom Forge – 14 juin 2021

1 - Retours sur le dernier patch

Ulukyn (RT) – 19:39 UTC
Ci-après les liens vers le dernier patch appliqué :
    • Patch 868 du 17 avril 2021
    • Patch 873 du 20 avril 2021 (correctif du patch 868)
Pour information, le contenu de ce patch est désormais complétement actif sur Atys.
Nous avons donc ajouté, entre autres :
   – des leçons et récompenses pour toute la Storyline ;
   – des allégories productrices d'effets et des missions Storyline permettant d'améliorer lesdits effets ;
   – l'activation des avant-postes du Nexus Mineur.
À noter que la forme des leçons (guides illustrés des missions) de la Storyline sera reprise pour les projets :
   – de refonte de Silan (leçons tutorielles) ;
   – de la nouvelle Encyclopédie (leçons guides des Rites).

Y a-t-il des questions, remarques ou des retours ?

Refonte de Silan

  • Si je crée un nouveau personnage, pourra-t-il bénéficier de la nouvelle Silan, c'est à dire du nouveau système d'apprentissage (voir CR réunion RF du 26 avril 2021) ?
    Oui. Et même les personnages actuels des joueurs curieux pourront eux-aussi aller sur Silan pour y suivre l'apprentissage rénové.
  • Quand ce nouvel apprentissage sera-t-il disponible en jeu ?
    Le patch qui l'implantera est encore en préparation, mais son interface, comme dit, ressemblera aux leçons actuellement proposées dans la Storyline.
  • Je pense qu'il est important d'encourager le jeu en équipe, c'est toute la beauté de Ryzom ! Aussi, est-il prévu de proposer sur Silan des missions encourageant les débutants à jouer ensemble ?
    Il n'est pas prévu d'ajouter sur Silan des missions semblables à celles qui y sont déjà proposées. Mais les futures leçons de Silan expliqueront plus en détail les avantages, les possibilités et les commandes permettant de jouer en équipe, guilde, faction, etc. Il y aura donc des leçons à objectifs simples, pour par exemple grouper ou rejoindre une guilde.

Rumeurs et Storyline

  • J'ai eu un peu de mal à comprendre le nouveau système de rumeurs. Le plus perturbant pour moi, c'est d'être dirigé vers un PNJ porteur de la rumeur « Quoi de neuf ? », d'arriver devant lui, de faire clic-droit, d'avoir « Quoi de neuf ? » dans la bulle, de cliquer dessus... et de voir s'afficher dans le chat l'explication de ce que fait un chasseur (par exemple). Il m'a fallu un peu de temps avant de comprendre qu'il fallait « Demander poliment » et cliquer ensuite sur le second « Quoi de neuf ? » qui apparaît alors.
    Ulukyn indique que le bogue est connu, qu'il sera corrigé au prochain patch et que d'ici là, les PNJ proposant un « Qui suis-je ? » ne seront plus choisis pour porter un « Quoi de neuf ? ».
  • Collecter des rumeurs en suivant simplement un chemin indiqué n'a que très peu d'intérêt pour moi. Aussi, les prochaines rumeurs mises en jeu seront-elles trouvables aisément grâce à l'indication de la position des PNJ les portant ou cette indication ne sera-t-elle donnée que pour les rumeurs anciennes, non trouvées en leur temps par le joueur ?
    Les nouvelles rumeurs seront soit dans le « Quoi de neuf ? » (pour la plupart) soit dans la Storyline (pour celles , concernant un même thème, dont la récolte constitue une mission prescrite par tel ou tel épisode). Dans les deux cas, la position du PNJ à interroger sera indiquée mais, dans le second cas, et jusqu'à ce que l'épisode concerné soit terminé, le délai d'attente entre deux rumeurs successives sera plus long que dans le premier.
  • S'agissant des missions de la Storyline, leur description en jeu ne pourrait-elle davantage souligner que la mission vous dirige vers un PNJ qui vous donnera SÛREMENT de nouvelles informations, mais que vous pouvez accomplir la mission en interrogeant d'autres PNJ, si vous savez (ou pensez savoir) lesquels ?
    Oui, c'est pertinent ! Mais il ne faut pas perdre de vue que les missions des épisodes terminés de la Storyline demeurent (et demeureront) disponibles, aux joueurs n'ayant pu (ou voulu) vivre ces épisodes « en direct » : ne pas leur offrir une option rapide risquerait de rebuter ces derniers. Aussi, pour répondre à la question, pourrait-on, par exemple :
    – pour l'épisode en cours : ne donner la position du personnage porteur de la rumeur suivante qu'après que 20 heures se soient écoulées, favorisant ainsi la recherche « classique » ;
    – pour les épisodes passés : donner la position du personnage porteur de la rumeur suivante dès que 20 minutes se sont écoulées.

Refonte des avant-postes

  • Deux guildes n'ayant pas chacune un effectif suffisant peuvent-elles se réunir en une seule pour le temps d'une bataille-test d'avant-poste au Nexus ?
    Oui… Pour le moment, car ce ne sera plus possible plus tard, vu que ces batailles-test participent en fait au développement du futur système d'avant-postes.
  • Je trouve les nouveautés testées sur les avant-postes du Nexus très rafraichissantes mais réduire le temps des batailles d'avant-poste est-il toujours l'objectif fixé à la refonte ?
    Oui. Il reste seulement à déterminer la force des PNJ défenseurs, vu que le nombre de rounds sera réduit de ce fait.
  • On a vu ces derniers mois sur Atys plusieurs batailles dépasser de beaucoup les 10 rounds. D'où ma question : à réduire le temps des batailles d'avant-poste ne risque-t-on pas d'appauvrir les stratégies ?
    Ce débat a déjà eu lieu. Par respect pour le groupe qui a longuement discuté, argumenté et finalement trouvé un accord, nous ne reviendrons pas sur les décisions prises. Mais il reste de nombreux points à paufiner et vos avis, retours et suggestions demeurent très souhaités.

Allégories à effets

  • S'agissant des effets d'allégories, la résurrection évoquée est-elle celle « naturelle » (au point de respawn choisi, une fois le coma terminé) ou celle provoquée (via le sort lancé par un joueur bienveillant) ?
    C'est uniquement la naturelle.
  • Je pense avoir bénéficié déjà d'un effet d'allégorie sans que les caractéristiques d'état de mon personnage soient toutes restaurées au niveau annoncé. Peut-on vérifier ça ?
    Oui, ce sera fait dès que possible, sur le serveur de test Gingo.

Divers

  • Les nouveaux Rois sont-ils eux aussi actifs désormais ?
    Ils le sont pour lors seulement au Nexus et le seront dans les Primes Racines au prochain patch, puis partout sur Atys.
  • Avant le dernier patch, mon alt avait été récompensé pour avoir terminé le prologue de la Storyline, mais il lui manque aujourd'hui trois rumeurs de 2607. Cela sera-t-il corrigé ?
    Ce bogue vous est peut-être spécifique… Le mieux pour vous est, je pense, de soumettre au à l'Asssitance un ticket le décrivant.
  • Le prochain patch inclura-t-il le fichier de traduction permettant, quand on acquiert une nouvelle compétence,d'afficher un message intelligible dans le canal SYS. INFO ?
    Oui, ce sera sans doute effectif au prochain redémarrage du serveur (donc avant même le prochain patch).

2 - Projet de mise à jour du Code de Conduite

Tamarea (RT) – 20:28 UTC
S'agissant du « multiboxing » ainsi qu'en ce qui concerne les sanctions, nous aimerions mettre à jour d'ici peu le Code de Conduite. Je vais donc vous présenter ce que nous pensons changer.
Pour rappel, l'actuel Code de Conduite est consultable ici (cliquer sur le drapeau de langue pour en changer).

1 - Multiboxing et JcJ

Nous avons actuellement un problème d'imprécision et même de contradiction au sein du Code de conduite (CdC) :
  • En zone JcJ, les joueurs qui ne veulent pas être attaqués sont priés de quitter la zone. ==> Attaquer un joueur au Nexus avec 4 comptes simultanés est donc autorisé.
  • Le multiboxing est limité à 2 comptes simultanés dans les événements de la Storyline. ==> Attaquer un joueur effectuant une mission Storyline au Nexus avec plus de 2 comptes simultanés est donc interdit.
Ceci, outre que le cas des spots magiques n'est pas pris en compte, rend la résolution des tickets concernant le Nexus très délicate. Donc, pour clarifier le Code de Conduite, nous allons étendre la limite de 2 comptes simultanés à tout le JcJ, donc au JcJ sur les avant-postes, dans les régions JcJ (spots magiques et Nexus inclus), et partout sur Atys.

2 - Multiboxing pendant les heures creuses

La limitation du multiboxing dans le CdC a eu un impact positif sur les heures de jeu européennes, mais aussi un fort impact négatif sur le nombre de joueurs présents durant les heures de jeu extra-européennes (heures de pointe de jeu dans des pays comme les USA, mais durant lesquelles le nombre de joueurs connectés sur Ryzom est très faible).
Ce dernier point pose à Ryzom un problème insoluble en termes de marketing, qui a des répercussions financières. Concrètement, alors que la limitation ne pose aucun problème de jeu aux heures européennes, le faible nombre de joueurs et les nombreux fuseaux horaires rendent impossible, aux heures creuses, l'accès au jeu de haut niveau (Rois, Chefs Maraudeurs) sauf à utiliser plus de 2 comptes simultanés.
Cela nous fait entrer dans un cercle vicieux : Manque de joueurs aux heures creuses ==> Pas assez de personnes pour accéder au jeu de haut niveau ==> Désabonnement et abandon du jeu ==> Personne pour accueillir les nouveaux ==> Départ des nouveaux ==> Manque de joueurs aux heures creuses.
Ainsi, pour permettre aux joueurs d'heures creuses d'accéder à nouveau au jeu de haut niveau et pour nous donner une chance de repeupler le serveur pendant ces heures, nous allons tester, durant 1 mois, la tolérance de 4 comptes simultanés pour tout sauf le JcJ pendant les heures creuses, de 22h00 UTC (0h00 CEST) à 05h00 UTC (07h00 CEST), période où cette tolérance est nécessaire pour pouvoir jouer à haut niveau.
Si l'accueil de la communauté et l'impact sur le nombre de connexions/abonnements aux heures creuses de cette disposition sont positifs, elle sera ajoutée au CdC après le mois de test, lequel se déroulera du 15 juin au 15 juillet.

3 - Ajout d'un barème de pénalités

Actuellement, le CdC ne prévoit aucune sanction intermédiaire entre 1 mois de suspension et interdiction à vie : nous allons y remédier en ajoutant une sanction d'un an de suspension (plus de détails viendront plus tard).

Je vous laisse réagir sur les trois points : d'abord sur le 1 (multiboxing et JcJ), puis nous enchainerons sur les deux autres.
  • Les interdictions précédentes pour l'utilisation simultanée de 4 comptes, seront-elles levées ?
    Oui, mais seulement entre 22:00 UTC (0h00 CEST) et 05:00 UTC (07h00 CEST) et pendant 1 mois, le temps de tester. Nous verrons ensuite si nous intégrons ce point au Code de Conduite.
  • Comme la période creuse se termine en début d'après-midi pour les joueurs d'Australie et de Nouvelle-Zélande, et que certains joueurs européens pourraient souhaiter eux aussi utiliser leurs alts, je me demandais : si le test se passe bien et que la communauté le souhaite largement, envisageriez-vous à l'avenir d'étendre cette tolérance augmentée à d'autres fuseaux horaires ?
    Nous avons choisi ces heures pour tester car elles sont heures creuses en terme de connexions. Si le test est positif, nous ajusterons peut-être le créneau d'une heure si besoin. Le but est de permettre aux joueurs connectés aux heures creuses de profiter aussi du jeu haut niveau. Ce n'est nullement lié aux nationalités, et donc tout joueur connecté durant ces heures là bénéficiera de la levée de la limitation.
  • « Limite de 2 comptes simultanés pour tout le JcJ, donc pour le JcJ sur les avant-postes, dans les régions JcJ (spots magiques et Nexus inclus), et partout sur Atys. » Telle est donc la nouvelle règle sauf entre 0h et 7h CEST ? La phrase d'introduction du point 1 donne une autre impression. Veuillez confirmer.
    Oui. La limitation à 2 comptes est étendue à tout le JcJ et ce, 24h sur 24. La tolérance de 4 comptes (sauf pour le JcJ) sera testée durant 1 mois aux heures creuses, donc pour le moment de 22:00 UTC (0h00 CEST) à 05:00 UTC (07h00 CEST). Si le test est concluant, nous intègrerons dans le Code de Conduite cette tolérance aux heures creuses.
  • J'aimerais une clarification sur le décompte des comptes simultanés. Ma femme et moi avons chacun 2 comptes (elle ne joue généralement qu'un seul à la fois). Mes deux comptes et les siens sont sous des noms différents, mais ils se connectent depuis la même adresse IP. Je veux juste m'assurer que ce n'est pas un problème.
    Dans un tel cas (plusieurs comptes utilisables par divers membres d'une même famille), vous devez contacter le Support pour l'en informer. Car il est nécessaire que, lorsque vous êtes en jeu tous deux avec plus d'un compte, il soit clair pour tout le monde que ce n'est pas la même personne qui contrôle tous le comptes.
  • Le multiboxing, bien qu'interdit sur les événements Storyline, est-il autorisé sur d'autres events ? Comme les événements HRP ?
    Non, il n'est pas autorisé sur les events.
  • Pendant les heures creuses, est-ce que forer dans une zone JcJ avec 4 comptes sera autorisé tant que le détenteur de ces 4 comptes n'initie pas le JcJ ?
    L'idée derrière cette tolérance aux heures creuses est de permettre aux joueurs d'effectuer de nouveau les activités devenues impossibles à cause du faible nombre de joueurs connectés ces heures là. Or, forer est tout à fait possible avec un seul compte, ou, si on utilise un soigneur de sources, deux comptes seulement. Donc utiliser 4 comptes pour le forage n'est pas nécessaire.
  • Donc, si on utilise 4 comptes dans une zone JcJ et qu'on se fait attaquer, on n'a pas le droit de riposter, n'est-ce pas ? Parce que cela irait à l'encontre du CdC.
    C'est vrai. Mais, au moins, le CdC vous permet-il de riposter avec deux comptes.
  • Les joueurs ayant été autrefois bannis à vie parce que n'existait pas alors la sanction d'un an de suspension pourront-ils obtenir un réexamen de leur situation ?
    Oui, nous pourrons réexaminer les cas sur demande. Par contre, bien sûr, seuls ceux qui auraient pu bénéficier de cette suspension d'un an au lieu du bannissement à vie pourront obtenir gain de cause.

3 - Questions hors-sujet

  • Deux PNJ sont apparus au Camp Maraudeur : l'un échange les MP d'avant-postes karavaniers en MP d'avant-postes maraudeurs et l'autre fournit les plans d'artisanat pour la confection d'objets d'avant-postes maraudeurs. Serait-il possible de doter les capitales d'un PNJ de ce dernier type ou, au moins, permettre à tous (et non aux seuls Maraudeurs) l'achat de ses plans au Camp Maraudeur, quitte a y devoir y accéder sous invulnérabilité.
    Oui. Mais c'est la deuxième suggestion qui sera adoptée.
  • Est-il normal que la renommée des Rangers auprès des Maraudeurs ne puisse dépasser -50 ?
    Oui. Car il s'agit d'une renommée dynamique, dépendant des autres renommées. Ainsi la renommée d'un PJ auprès des Maraudeurs ne peut dépasser l'inverse de celle dont ce PJ jouit auprès des nations. Comme un Ranger, par définition, jouit d'une renommée au moins égale à +50 auprès de toutes les nations, sa renommée auprès des Maraudeurs ne peut en aucun cas dépasser -50.
  • Ceci n'est-il pas un peu en contradiction avec le jeu de rôle des Rangers ?
    Non. Car ma réponse précédente concernait le gameplay uniquement : les PNJ Maraudeurs se précipiteront sans réfléchir (évidemment) sur tout Ranger les approchant, vu q'une renommée négative auprès d'un peuple indique que les PNJ de ce peuple ne vous aiment pas (non l'inverse).
    Par contre, la renommée est sans effet sur les PJ et leur jeu de rôle : un PJ d'un peuple ou d'une faction peut toujours, s'il le désire, soigner et/ou relever un PJ d'un autre autre peuple ou faction, quelle que soit sa renommée auprès du peuple ou de la faction de ce dernier. Donc il me semble (les loristes pourraient probablement mieux vous répondre) qu'un PJ Ranger se doit, s'il veut se conformer au credo des Rangers, de soigner (ou relever) un PJ Maraudeur dans les ennuis (ou le coma).

La réunion est close à 21:50 UTC

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#232 Added by Gidget 3 years ago [en] 

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Nilstilar
As the off-peak period ends in the early afternoon for players in Australia and New Zealand, and that some European players might want to use their alts as well, I was wondering : if the test goes well and the community largely wants it, would you consider in the future the possibility of extending this increased tolerance to more time zones?

We chose these hours to test because they are off-peak hours in terms of connections. If the test is positive, we may adjust the time slot by one hour if needed. The goal is to allow players connected at off-peak times to also enjoy the high level game. This is not related to nationalities, so any player who is connected during these hours will benefit from the lifting of the limitation.

While I understand that it's not intended to be related to nationalities, it is impossible for it to not be related. There is no escaping the fact that the majority of the US is in four different time zones, and Australia is on the other side of the planet. East Coast Americans will only be minorly affected (1800-0100 EDT), but us West Coast Americans (1500-2200 PDT) may have our evenings impacted, and anyone in Australia who works a normal daytime job will simply never see the off-peak hours (0800-1500 AEST; 0600-1300 AWST).

It's worth testing, but my thinking is that there will probably be fewer non-EU players with more than 2 accounts, and that it may be seen by some as a form of favoritism regardless of intent which may have additional repercussions. We won't know for sure without testing, of course. I might be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. We'll see. 

This is a very tricky issue with no easy solutions.

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#233 Added by Elke 3 years ago [en] 

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Nilstilar
[b]As the off-peak period ends in the early afternoon for players in Australia and New Zealand, and that some European players might want to use their alts as well, I was wondering : if the test goes well and the community largely wants it, would you consider in the future the possibility of extending this increased tolerance to more time zones?

I have the impression that you understand it the wrong way: the general limit is 2 accounts: In European night time (22 UT - 5 UT) four accounts are allowed. So why would it impact the multi accounts outside Europe more than in Europe? Also: reducing this the the very intention...

That said, basically everything can be done with 2 accounts other than killing certain bosses - where you then need 2 or 3 actual players.

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#234 Added by Gidget 3 years ago [en] 

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I have the impression that you understand it the wrong way: the general limit is 2 accounts: In European night time (22 UT - 5 UT) four accounts are allowed. So why would it impact the multi accounts outside Europe more than in Europe? Also: reducing this the the very intention...That said, basically everything can be done with 2 accounts other than killing certain bosses - where you then need 2 or 3 actual players.

I fully understand that there will be fewer European quad-boxers, but I have the impression that you do not understand my criticism. And that's fine; I'm far from the most eloquent, and depressingly accustomed to being misunderstood. Let me attempt to clarify my thinking. 

In Eastern US/Canada night time (1800-0100 EDT) four accounts are allowed. No problem. In fact, they make out quite well as they have practically unrestricted quad-boxing privilieges unless they have truly odd sleep schedules. Lifting the restrictions will work as intended. And I will concede that half of the US population is in that time zone, so if you can only pick one time zone to get more North Americans on, that's the one you should pick.

In Western US/Canada afternoon/evening time (1500 to 2200 PDT) four accounts are allowed. Quad-boxers might have to log off two alts at some point, especially if they are night owls who don't go to bed early. It may or may not be worthwhile for them to have more than two accounts, so the effectiveness of lifting the restriction is questionable. If I ran 3-4 accounts, this would make me drop a subscription or two, and I have a hard time believing that there aren't any other left-coasters that feel the same. 

In Australian day time (0800-1500 AEST; 0600-1300 AWST) four accounts are allowed. Except for the people in Western Oz that want to play for an hour or so before work, they will simply never be on when four accounts are allowed except on weekends. And Asians and Pacific Islanders are also in/near the same time zones. It simply would make no sense for them to bother with more than two accounts, period. Just as it makes little sense for European players that generally are not up between midnight and 7. 

So we have something that helps half of North America, doesn't really do much for the other half, and doesn't do a thing for pretty much anyone else around the Pacific Rim. That limits the benefits of allowing four accounts in ways that feed my skepticism. There is also an (unfortunately unavoidable) inequality there that just rubs me the wrong way. Combine that inequality with the dubious effectiveness and you will get pretty close to the reason for my having reservations about this whole thing.Does that clarify anything?

Like I said, I hope to be proven wrong, and we won't know if we don't test it. But if I'm even partially right, I hope that my input will help craft a more effective solution.

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#235 Added by Erisapple 3 years ago [en] 

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Gidget, I envy your ability to use timezones.

The short of it is that the times were chosen because it's when the population is consistently the lowest. It's definitely not perfect but it is something to try to help fill some gaps in making teams for bosses and other activities. And hopefully a few more homins around if fresh ones need answers. Perhaps it can be expanded after the trial month.

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#236 Added by Tamarea 3 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting (July 12th 2021)


Date: monday, July 12th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:
  • Atys, on the public forge channel
or
  • Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en


Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.
Agenda
    -Test of Ryztart, the new Ryzom installer/launcher
    -Upcoming update of the Code of Conduct
    -Events in july and august
    -Recrutement: Event team

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#237 Added by Nilstilar 3 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting report – July 12, 2021

1 - Test of Ryztart, the new Ryzom installer/launcher

Ulukyn (RT) – 19:39 UTC
I inform you that Ryztart has reached a rather satisfactory stage (even if there are still some small things to be polished and translations that could be missing).
It is now stable enough to propose it in beta version on the Ryzom website, at least the Linux and Windows versions (the Mac version has not been finalized). We will also make a post on the forum to get your feedback. In the meantime I give you here the links for the downloads:
• for Linux >>> https://me.ryzom.com/ryztart_installer_x86_64.tgz
• for Windows >>>  https://me.ryzom.com/ryztart_installer_amd64.exe  (this is only 64b version, for those who are still in 32b, be patient).
It is not necessary to uninstall ryzom_installer, nor even Ryzom, but it is strongly advised to save the folders 0/ 1/ 2/ 3/... which contain your backups and which are located in :
• under Windows >>> C:/Users/<USERNAME>/AppData/Roaming/Ryzom
• under Linux >>> ~/.local/share/Ryzom
You can find more information on the wiki.
That's it for Ryztart. Any questions or comments?
  • I've been testing Ryztart for a while and overall, it's really easier to use, which is great. I have a question though, most of the time I get stuck on "Checking" and I have to restart the installer for it to work. Is this something that has been reported already?
    Yes, several returns and several reasons for it to block (in fact, a crash and it blocks). So I can't assure that everything is correct, there can be particular cases that block. If it happens again you can post it on the test channel or on the forum and I will contact you (don't post a copy of the debug window, it could show sensitive data).
  • Will this new tool be mandatory or will it be possible to do without it? Especially when applying patches?
    Ryztart remains compatible with ryzom_installer. In fact, with the option to patch without using Ryztart, basically everything is possible. Ryztart launches the client with a no-patch option (since it already patches). But the client is still able to patch itself and it is also possible to use the ryzom_patcher.
  • Where are the sources published and under what license?
    You can find them here, under GPL Affero (maybe not the best suited license).

2 - Upcoming update of the Code of Conduct

Tamarea (RT) – 20:05 UTC
We will soon update the Code of Conduct with regard to multiboxing, courtesy rules and sanctions. I will present to you what we will change.
As a reminder, the current Code of Conduct is available here (click on the language flag to change it).
Addition of a penalty scale
Adding (in B. Warnings and sanctions) a penalty scale for ''Major Offence'': 1 week of suspension / 1 month of suspension / 1 year of suspension (NEW) / Permanent ban.
Precision in the Courtesy Rules
Adding (in I.7. Bad behavior on a chat channel of the game (Game server, IRC, forums and Rocket chat included)) homophobic ones to the list of prohibited comments.
[b]Modifications about Multiboxing and PvP & Multiboxing during off-peak hours[b]
Three additions in III.4 Multiboxing, namely:
a) Adding all PvP situations to the list of those subject to limitations: to clarify the code of conduct, we will extend the limit of 2 simultaneous accounts to all PvP, i.e. PvP on outposts, in PvP regions (i.e. including super nodes and the Nexus), and everywhere on Atys.
b) Adding a new paragraph ruling multiboxing during off-peak hours: to allow US players to access the high-level game again and to give us a chance to repopulate the server during US hours, we are currently (until July 15) testing the tolerance of 4 simultaneous accounts for everything but PvP during off-peak hours, from 10pm UTC to 5am UTC (0-7am CEST), so during the hours when it is necessary for proper gameplay. As the community response and the impact on the number of US connections/subscriptions is positive, this rule will be added to the CoC in a few days, as follows.
III.4.4 Multiboxing during off-peak hours
Multiboxing is tolerated for up to four simultaneous accounts for all activities except PvP during the hours when it is a gameplay necessity due to low game server traffic (22h-10h UTC, i.e. 0h-12 CEST).
c) Adding a summary of the multiboxing rules, as follows.
At times when the game server is busy enough - 10:00 UTC-22:00 UTC (12:00 CEST-00:00 CEST)
Multiboxing limited to 2 simultaneous accounts during:
  • PvP
  • Bosses Hunts
  • Marauders bosses assaults
  • Storyline scripted events
Multiboxing tolerated at 4 simultaneous accounts for all other activities.
At times of low game server traffic - 22:00 UTC-10:00 UTC (00:00 CEST-12:00 CEST)
Multiboxing tolerated at 4 simultaneous accounts for all activities except PvP.
Do you have any comments or questions?
  • I would just like two confirmations: kitin invasions are not scripted events and 4 simultaneous accounts are possible at any time?
    Yes. The scripted events are very often missions, and the NPC who gives them displays a Storyline icon. Only exception at the moment: cartographer stones.
  • So, whatever the time, I can have 4 accounts connected at the same time except for the activities mentioned?
    Yes.
  • I just wanted to clarify the rules for PvP. Can you take more than two characters into PvP areas (like Lands of Umbra) as long as you don't engage them all in PvP fight?
    Yes, 4 characters can be in a PvP region at the same time, as long as no more than 2 of them engage in PvP combat. But be careful: only these two can take part in the fight (including healings and resurrections), and in case of defeat, the other two cannot engage in their turn (resume the fight).
  • When the time changes (for Winter time), will the designated times stay on Central European Time?
    I can't answer this right now, but we will make sure that this doesn't penalize those who play at low server traffic times.
  • Should we report offending players to you, or are you able to check if someone is multiboxing while hunting for Kings or any other prohibited activity mentioned?
    If you notice any abuse (more than 2 simultaneous accounts on a King, etc...), you should send a ticket to support@ryzom.com, along with a screenshot or video showing the 3 or 4 characters and the date and time in game (radar or map).
  • If, in a PvP zone, one of my characters gets killed but I don't want to fight in PvP, can I heal my character with a third one?
    This is a special case, and we will think about it in the Support team.

3 - Events in July and August

Tamarea (RT) – 21:03 UTC
As many people are absent in July and August, both among the players and the animators, the Storyline events as well as those of nations and factions usually proposed by the Event Team (one per week) are put on pause until September.
The summer leaves room for player events, mini-bosses, kitin invasions, atmosphere events… Atys Games should be back during the whole month of August.
Any questions?

4 - Recruitment : Event team

Tamarea (RT) – 21:06 UTC
We are looking for volunteers who want to help write event scripts, or wish to become actors by playing a character during the events we play.
Training is provided, and entry into acting is accomplished very progressively to allow time for the recruit to bed in.
Join us to benefit from this unique experience!
To apply, contact Tamarea exclusively at [i]tamarea@ryzom.com[i].

5 - Other issues

(21:07 UTC)
  • What are the plans for the Marauders faction? Is it scheduled to continue to develop it even though it has now very few players (about 5 active)?
    Yes, we continue to develop it, and besides, the next episode of the Storyline will highlight it. If you want to know more about it, you can ask to join the marauder gameplay working group and participate in its development.
  • I know people want new content for Ryzom, but can I ask, on behalf of many players, that the Encyclopedia quests be reviewed, please (many are buggy and some are completely out of order)?
    We have made some progress on this by preparing a tool that will make it easier to add to the Encyclopedia.
  • About the Marauders... Will the light and medium bosses ever arrive? And could the loot for light bosses include pants and robes, or are those items reserved for those of the Event Team? And couldn't we change the colors of the marauding dresses that can currently be earned (via PvP points) to blue, white, black and red? And finally include the robes of the colors of the other current bosses in the loot dropped by Dante and Pei-Ruz?
    These are interesting questions, could you post them on the Ryzom ideas forum please?
  • When will we have the Trytonist faction?
    The Trytonist game can of course be done in roleplay, but we don't plan to develop it in gameplay.
The meeting is closed at 21:48 UTC

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#238 Added by Jorgensen 3 years ago [en] 

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Regarding new players in Silan - a huge part of why i kept playing more than a week is that at the time there were advanced players there who spent most of their time helping the noobs. I met them almost instantly. It gave me a sense that this was a community. I know many people still help the newcomers in silan, but we should remember to encourage these silan mentors for the work they do to keep people playing. Perhaps even make mentoring an official thing?

#239 Added by Wixarika 3 years ago Multilingual 

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J’ai aussi l’agréable souvenir d’avoir été aidée sur Silan par quelques joueurs qui m’ont reçu d’une façon exceptionnelle. Avec de la rigueur et du sérieux, ils m’ont conseillé pour pouvoir avancer dans le jeu. Je ne citerai pas leurs noms car j’ai peur d’oublier quelqu’un. Mais je suis complètement d’accord avec l’idée d’un « mentoring », leur dévouement et gentillesse ne mérite que gratitude.

#240 Added by Dullahan 3 years ago [en] 

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Regarding new players in Silan - a huge part of why i kept playing more than a week is that at the time there were advanced players there who spent most of their time helping the noobs. I met them almost instantly. It gave me a sense that this was a community. I know many people still help the newcomers in silan, but we should remember to encourage these silan mentors for the work they do to keep people playing. Perhaps even make mentoring an official thing?
a + on the mentoring part, but what 'reward' or benefit should they get?
maybe an 'invite' to become a mentor, resulting in a better experience share when teamed up (like not having the exp dropped to half if you are teamed with your mentor)

in truth tho, this is discouraged by the players themselves, old players to be exact, don't ask me to drop names, you know they are out there.

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Ryzom Forge meeting (September 20th 2021)


Date: monday, September 20th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:
  • Atys, on the public forge channel
or
  • Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en


Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.
Agenda
    - Ryzom installer/launcher: RyZtart
    - Wiki: Forge portal update
    - Next patch: Kitinlair occupations, Boss refactoring, Marauder gameplay
    - OP refactoring
    - Recrutement: Event team, Support Team, Translation team

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#242 Added by Jadeyn 3 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting report – 21 September 2021

Ryzom installer/launcher : RyZtart


So ryztart has been set as default for Windows and Linux. For Mac I continue the development (which progresses slowly).
An announcement has been put on the forum : https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/31832/1 .
Any feedback is welcome. Moreover on the announcement we are also looking for python/web developers who would like to participate in the creation of modules to facilitate the life of the players.

Q : RyZtart didn't work on my computer (arch linux), I had to use Steam. Would it be possible to develop AUR, .deb or .rpm ?
A : Any contribution is welcome. Managing all the packages is not an easy thing. One aur I could do, the rest I don't know.
Q : How long can we keep the existing system ? Will it work with the next patches ? Or do I have to install RyZtart now ? (Linux here).
A : There are 3 ways to launch the game :
1 - Run the exe and have everything on one folder (the very old method)
2 - Launch ryzom installer
3 - Launch ryztart
The 3 work with the same patch system and will continue to work.
However, if there are patching problems, in most cases, Ryztart will fix the problem.
Because Ryztart patches the game itself, where methods 1 and 2 use the client to patch itself.
If it misses ... The patch is no longer possible.
On the other hand, the ryzom installer will not be updated anymore.
Q : Ryztart will separate the part : Atys, Yubo and Gingo in the save files ?
A : In the same way as the ryzom installer does. The compatibility is 100%.
If you use RyZtart, then switch to ryzom installer, it will be able to patch the game and vice versa.
Q : I use method 1 and Steam to patch my files. Should I switch to the new installer ?
A : This is an original way of doing things but it also works very well. So no reason to change.
Q : I'm talking about those poor victims of Windows 10 and their strange sound cards : the old installer had a button to call the old Ryzom configurator where you can set the sound driver - FMod, etc.
A : It was added two days ago.
Q : I am still on Windows 7. Will I be able to use the new installer ?
A : Normally yes. But if there is a problem, please contact me.
Q : The old installer worked fine. Why did you change it ? Just curious.
A : For many reasons.
But the main one is that it did not patch the game.
The patching of the game was the responsibility of the client itself, which is never a good thing.
If the client misses the patch, there is no way to patch.
Or go through the separate patcher but that only works for Atys.
The second reason is that the ryzom installer is a pain to manage the access to the test servers.
We can spend afternoons trying to add the Yubo server or the Gingo server.
Q : Gingo, Yubo ... Are they all test servers ?
A : Yes.

Wiki : Forge portal update


We will update the Forge wiki page a bit.
Especially since we were able to simplify some processes and installations thanks to the work of ryzom core (especially Kaetemi).
Here is the new portal mockup : https://en.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/NewForge .
The links are placeholders, it's mainly to present the new vision of the Forge wiki.
With the idea to orient the player according to what he knows or would like to do.
We will try to add as much information as possible knowing that for new contributors, finding documentation is more difficult than leveling up all the jewel creation branches ...

Q : Is building the client and server still a pain in the ass or has it become easier ? I know this was a sticking point for some people a few years ago.
Especially running an operational ryzomcore server rather than the build itself.
Why not provide some basic primitives to have a working ryzomcore ? I'm thinking for example of the old racial start zone.
A : The client build is now done via a small script on Windows, the same script will be adapted to Linux.
As for the server, the build is also simple, but ... The server build is more complicated, especially since it requires private datas.
But ryzomcore provides a complete archive, turnkey to launch a core server.
Which in the vast majority of cases will suffice.
Q : Wasn't the rudimentary data available from Silan when the client/server became open source ? Is it still available ?
A : It is still available and ryzomcore is adding missing data continuously.

Next patch : Kitin Lair occupations, Boss refactoring, Marauder gameplay


The next patch will be accompanied by a long migration operation that will block the whole day.
We will indeed update the web server and all its components.
For this, we will do it in 3 steps :
1 - Migration of the game database and the webig to a server already up to date (and check if everything goes well)
2 - Test the code on a server already up to date (and check if the code is still functional)
3 - Update the web server
In the next few days we will proceed to step 1.
Steps 2 and 3 are planned for later.
We will take advantage of this patch day to add the last Marauders mini-camps, move the NPCs and items of the Kitin Lair occupations in the Kitin Lair and add the new bosses in the Prime Roots (boss refactoring project).
Occupations have 2 elements, an NPC that gives the occupation and the missions.
And a targetable element that allows to create the products of the occupation.
These are the NPCs and this element that will be moved.
So the NPCs and the table will now be in the Kitin Lair.
I forgot to mention that we will be implementing bosses in the Prime Roots and the next step will be to finalize the project by adding them to all of Atys

Q : Does this mean that the larvester and scroll maker tables will be moved to the Kitin Lair ?
A : Yes.
Q : Will the existing Prime Roots bosses be removed ? Will the new Prime Roots bosses change ?
A : Please see this post : https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/31743/1 which explains the boss refactoring project in detail.
Q : Is there an approximate deadline? An update date? It would be good to know the approximate date so that we can plan it a bit.
A : If everything goes as planned, the patch with all-day closure of Atys will take place early next week.
We will of course keep you informed as soon as we know the exact date.
Q : For the newbosses : will there be new bosses in the Kitin Lair too ?
A : There are no plans for new bosses in the Kitin Lair at this time.
Q : Will Rocket Chat stay open ?
A : We will open the Ryzom Discord so we can communicate with you while Atys and Rocket Chat are closed. The link will be given on the forum.
The Ryzom Discord will be open this weekend. The link will be given on the forum and will be visible on the Atys login page during maintenance.

OP refactoring


Since a few weeks the tests are in progress at Nexus.
From the information we have, it seems to be quite well balanced, but we would like to have feedback (here, in the forum or on the project channel).
The idea is to validate this step to move on to the next one, the GvG (guild against guild) which will require a different NPC setting.

Q : Any context on OP refactoring, or links on forums we can read about it ?
A : https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/29200/5 0 .
Q : Some guards stand behind mountains in places that are difficult to reach. Maybe you could check all the positions again ?
A : I'm going to apologize, I put them there to see how the players would react. There is no problem about moving them.

Recrutement : Event team, Support Team, Translation team


(SUPPORT TEAM).
The Support team resumes its recruitment campaign.
We need you, your availability, your technical knowledge and gameplay of the game but also your diplomacy, to expand our ranks and best meet the expectations of players.
As a CSR, you will have a variety of tasks to perform that you feel most comfortable with :
- IT support for players : help them to run the game correctly on Windows, Linux or Mac ;
- Technical support : answering players' questions about using the client and about gameplay issues ;
- Bug handling : help players facing a bug, check the bugs reported by the ticket system and then forward them to the Development team;
- Role of tester on the test server ;
- Ensures that the rules of the game are respected ;
Moderation of discussion channels, forums and any other media used by Ryzom.
To learn more, please see this post : https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/22047/2 #2 .

EVENT TEAM
We're looking for volunteers who want to help write event scripts, or who want to become actors by playing a character in the events we play.
Training is provided, and entry into acting is done very gradual to allow time for the recruit to get his bearings.
Join us to benefit from this unique experience !
To apply, contact Tamarea exclusively at tamarea@ryzom.com

TRANSLATION TEAM
We are looking for volunteers to translate in-game texts and official announcements into English, German, Spanish, Russian, French, and to proofread texts.
To apply, contact Tamarea exclusively at tamarea@ryzom.com

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#243 Added by Kaetemi 3 years ago [en] 

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Q : Is building the client and server still a pain in the ass or has it become easier ? I know this was a sticking point for some people a few years ago.
Especially running an operational ryzomcore server rather than the build itself.
Why not provide some basic primitives to have a working ryzomcore ? I'm thinking for example of the old racial start zone.
A : The client build is now done via a small script on Windows, the same script will be adapted to Linux.
As for the server, the build is also simple, but ... The server build is more complicated, especially since it requires private datas.
But ryzomcore provides a complete archive, turnkey to launch a core server.
Which in the vast majority of cases will suffice.

You can link to this directly, and you're welcome. (This is still in preview, so please share any issues.)

https://wiki.ryzom.dev/development/quickstart_windows

The package provides not only the server & client development environment, but the complete graphics and leveldesign pipeline.

It only takes about an hour to set up a local development environment and shard.

We'd love to see the old islands fully released, but WG so far won't allow us. They are empty for now.

Jadeyn
Q : Wasn't the rudimentary data available from Silan when the client/server became open source ? Is it still available ?
A : It is still available and ryzomcore is adding missing data continuously.

We only have permission to release data that does not contain any unreleased balancing or mob placement data, and only the essentials to make the assets, client and server fully build and run.

Landscape can be fully built now. We painstakingly restored several missing source assets for the Ring landscape that were lost in the transition from Gameforge to WG. (And in the process fixed some islands that were broken in the original build.)

Additionally, a group of disgruntled ex-players is working on creating tools and spreadsheets to generate new data procedurally. Currently all mobs and equipment items are usable, allowing you to create your own world using both World Editor and the Ring. Player actions and materials are not yet available and still in the works.

***DEL*** irrelevant.

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