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#222 Added by Sinvaders 4 years ago [fr]

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From Agenda: [Information] Progress of ongoing projects: new launcher, marauder gameplay, OP refactoring, AIS changes.

So Marauder gameplay haven't been discussed at all, right?

#223 Added by Nilstilar 4 years ago [en]

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Right, Sinvaders.
Not an oversight of mine.

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#224 Added by Tamarea 4 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting (April 26th 2021)

Date: monday, April 26th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:

Atys, on the public forge channel

Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en

Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.

Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.

Agenda
[Presentation] Ryzom's marketing plan: increase player loyalty
[Presentation] Silan Refactoring project

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Tamarea
Ryzom Team Manager
(FR / EN / ES)
tamarea@ryzom.com

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Tamarea
Ryzom Team Manager
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tamarea@ryzom.com

#226 Added by Tamarea 4 years ago [fr]

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Tamarea
Ryzom Team Manager
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tamarea@ryzom.com

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Ryzom Forge meeting report – April 26 2021

1 - Win players' loyalty: a more attractive game

Tamarea (RT) – 19:39 UTC

A 2021 marketing plan has been developed by the Ryzom Team, which pursues three goals:
1. Win players' loyalty
2. Get more subscribers
3. Attract new players
We will detail today the actions undertaken by the team to achieve the first objective, and your suggestions to enrich them will be welcome.

We are losing too many players, including high-level players, because of the lack of new content to motivate them to log in, because the long-promised additions are still overdue, and because the pace of maintenance remains slow.
That's why we decided to focus on the projects already underway and on maintenance. Specifically:
• To complete ongoing and long-announced projects: new launcher/installer, Boss refactoring, outpost battles refactoring, Marauders' gameplay, balancing of range weapons (see information given during previous Ryzom Forge meetings).
• To add new events to the Storyline on a regular basis, each leading to new permanent gameplay content.
• To not neglect maintenance: fixing bugs, adding new rewards, etc.
The upcoming patch will begin to put some of this content into play, with the activation of the test outposts of the Nexus and the gradual addition of the new Bosses.
• To encourage roleplay which, while remainining of course optional, is one of the raisons d’être of the MMORPG Ryzom. So, to make roleplayers want to stay, the team is working on two axes:
• School of initiation to role-playing (in project)
• Regular (weekly) events, impacting or not the History of Atys

Do you have any questions or comments about these actions?

Four comments:
• I confirm my availability to carry on with the tests needed for the rebalancing of range weapons I started in the past with Tykus and to participate in the tests of outpost battles.
• If we want to win their loyalty, I think we first need to find the reasons why new players are currently leaving the game. I'm thinking especially of crashes: new players (especially the current generation) having an abundance of games at their disposal, they have no problem abandoning a game after an umpteenth crash.
• As far as roleplay is concerned, I think it's a pity that the weekly events are almost all one-shots, episodes with no aftermath, that they don't build, little by little, a Story. However, I thank the team for the frequency and the quality of the events proposed to the casual roleplayers (of which I am).
• As for me, I think that the weekly events do build a Story, but that this one is difficult to follow because of its scattering, via the events, in several different episodes in different places. As a result, it is difficult for many Atysians to gather these episodes into a Story (difficult, but not impossible should you explore the Wiki and the messages posted to the forum). Perhaps grouping the events by month and nation (i.e. one month's worth of History episodes about Trykers, then one month's worth of History episodes about Zorai, etc.) would improve things... except that it would be felt as unfair by the uninvolved nations of the month. *frown*
In short: if, for me, a coherent History is on the way, I unfortunately have no idea what would help to make it better known to all.

Thank you for your feedback, which will of course be passed on to Event team.

2 - Win players' loyalty: an improved tutorial

Ulukyn (RT) – 20:07 UTC

In order to increase player loyalty, in addition to offering more attractive game content, we will work to better guide new players. We actually lose a lot of them shortly after they arrive on the tutorial island of Silan. After investigating the causes of this, we agreed on a possible remediation. This is how the Silan refactoring project was born, which will not result in a big change but only in various adjustments and improvements.
The objective of this refactoring is twofold:
• on the one hand, give the desire to new players to go further (at the moment very few of them take the step - i.e. pass to the continent);
• on the other hand, try to make the global experience of the game more homogeneous (at the moment, as Dorothée – may she be thanked – pointed out during the RT meeting preparing this one, there are too many differences between the game on Silan and the one on mainland).
Said Improvements and adjustments are planned for:
• The map of Silan Island. To make it more useful for beginners it:
   • will no longer be shown to players alone, but with the general map of Atys;
   • will allow the player to zoom in on the Ranger Camp (as is the case on the mainland towns);
   • will display icons showing the location of NPCs useful to players (at their stage of progress).
• Texts describing missions that are currently unclear, such as those that present a team-building suggestion as a necessity to players who cannot (or do not know how to) form a team.
• Damages from creature attacks near the Ranger Camp. They will be reduced as it currently causes too many deaths. Character dying too frequently suggests to players that the game is not for them, or that they have misunderstood the rules, increasing the risk that they will abandon Ryzom without delay.

Three comments:
• As for damage reduction, I would say that it has already been started, considering the speed with which the DP is cancelled on Silan. And if the player fears the death of his characters, let him go play Candy Crush! *smile*
• I think this is a bit too much easing the work for beginners. Many times some of them don't even understand that Silan is a tutorial.
• Most of the new players don't even seem to read the texts said by (or posted near) the Silan trainers (Guilan Guiter, Nomis Merclao, etc.). I think they should be offered other ways of learning.

3 - Win players' loyalty: a friendlier learning process

Ulukyn (RT) – 20:14 UTC

Actually, few players take the time to read everything (this is natural: the excitement of discovering a new game pushes them to immediate action, not to think about its mechanisms).
So I'm going to show you what we have planned to overcome the disadvantages of this understandable haste.
We won't rewrite the mission texts: it would require too much time. But I've noticed, when accompanying players who don't know Ryzom in their first session, that displaying an adapted screenshot on their screen was often more efficient than giving them a long speech to explain them such or such gameplay mechanism.
This is why we will introduce the concept of schools (or academies) whose function will be to provide in-game "Academic Knowledge" that will be available, at any time, to all players and delivered in the form of practical lessons that will guide them, in a visual and playful way, in the accomplishment of the missions as well as in their actual learning. Each school will contain several pieces of information about a gameplay topic (e.g., the mastery of magic or that of jewelry) or a more general topic (e.g., the game's interface, or even, as mentioned above, role-playing).
Below a prototype, for the school of "Melee fight mastery", of a window showing in game the information made available by a school.

It presents a teaching plan with four sections (or lessons), which can be activated (if your progress allows it) or not (greyed out) so that you do not get lost in a long list. When you activate a lesson, a list of exercises to do (presented in the form of cards) will be proposed to you. Once you have completed all the exercises on this list, you will be offered a reward.
You will find below a prototype, for "Elementary Movements", of a sheet describing such an exercise.

It is composed of four parts displaying respectively:
• A title with a short explanation in subtitle
• An illustrated goal, optional (button to click for acceptance)
• A small reward, optional (button to be clicked for recovery once the goal reached)
• A set of pictures to make it easier to understand how to reach the goal.
Why, you may ask, propose an objective and a reward and not only the explanation and the illustrations? Quite simply because proposing an action in exchange for a reward is more motivating and fun, much more so than a long explanation text.

Do you have any questions?

Q: Are there any plans to rework the character creation phase as well?
A: No. Not as part of the Silan refactoring, anyway.

Q: Does Silan refactoring include informing new players about the existence of teleports on the island (many don't know)?
A: Yes. The goal is for new players to get on Silan a real taste of what to expect on the mainland.

Q: Will the enhanced tutorial use the key assignments listed in the player's keys_character.xml file?
A: Yes. And by the way, the player will be able to change these assignments in-game through the exercise cards provided by the school, without having to search for the relevant window in the (very dense) UI.

Q: Since it is difficult to accumulate Dappers on Silan, will the cost of teleporting there be changed?
A: No. But players will be able to get more Dappers through the exercises offered by the schools (they will often offer them as rewards).

Q: Will Silanese be able to buy mounts?
A: Yes. The refactoring includes the establishment of a stable on the island.

Q: I don't think a tutorial should have hidden or secret places. So, will the tunnel to the Kitins Jungle be easier to find, or will there be better directions to its location in the Shining Lake?
A: The access to the Kitins Jungle was intentionally designed as a (little) puzzle, so we don't have anything like that planned, no. But we'll think about making the mission sending players to fight the kitins into their territory more explicit.

Q: Will players be able to take a mektoub acquired on Silan to the mainland?
A: Yes, as forcing players to give up their equipment would be as counter-productive for us (given the goal of the refactoring) as it would be catastrophic for them.

Q: Henchomins of the Kamis and Karavan on Silan are currently urging caution by suggesting that returning to the island will be difficult, if not impossible. Will their speeches be more supportive (like "I can send you there. It's a dangerous place, but you can come back here anytime.") after the refactoring?
A: Yes. It's a great idea and we will implement it!

Q: Because a mount is also (or even mostly) a storage space and what it stores is not always easily recoverable after its death, we see few characters moving mounted, on Atys. Couldn't an option of remote recovery of the mount's freight be proposed?
A: We are working on this: a new feature to allow recovery of any dead pet against Elyps is being tested. Offering such an option on Silan would actually be a good introduction to Elyps for new players, provided the cost of acquiring them is adapted.

Q (off-topic): Regarding Elyps, even if the benefits they provide are valuable (generic materials, high quality items, pet operations, etc.) I find them very scarcely distributed during kitin invasions: killing one kitin is rewarded with one Elyps only. Are there any plans to improve this ratio or to provide kitin invasions more frequently than they have been lately?
A: No. But we take note of your feeling.

4 - Win players' loyalty: comments and suggestions

(21:03 UTC)
• Silan offering beginners more opportunities and a good overview of what awaits them on the mainland, to avoid their early flight, that's fine. But I think we shouldn't make them too rich on the island: that might make them stay there, never to take the plunge.
Ulukyn points out in this regard that nothing offered by the refactored Silan will be free, and that no player staying on the island will be able to accumulate the millions of Dappers and thousands of Elyps that can be collected on the mainland.
• I too think that setting the cost of acquiring items new in Silan lower than it is on the mainland is to be preferred to setting a higher amount for the Dappers rewarding the completing of the current missions.
Whereupon Ulukyn solicits the opinion of a beginner player attending the meeting on the point.
• (from the said player) As far as Dappers are concerned, I would not increase the amounts distributed in any way. As for the skill points, on the other hand, maybe we should reduce the need for them or increase the quality of the items they provide. Since it's not easy on Silan to get all the skills.
Reacting to this last point, Ulukyn indicates that the difficulty of choosing skills on Silan as well as the fact that not everything can be acquired there was discussed within the team and that a proposal was made to classify them (thanks to groups of stars) according to their greater or lesser usefulness… whereupon a participant proposes to straightly suppress the beginning of their acquisition on Silan.
• Some players are already surprised that the shooting skills are not available on Silan. So I think that removing them all is to be avoided. As for the star rating of skills, it risks "formatting" the game. I like Ryzom because it doesn't force me to push a certain skill but allows me, after reading all the texts about them, to freely choose which one(s) my character will work on.
Ulukyn says that, as the team wants to improve the branch and introduce it to new players, a shooting school will be offered on Silan. Because, he adds, only an informed one is actually a truly free choice and informing about skills is not forcing to embrace them, as giving them would be (as some MMOs do). On which the previous speaker clarifies that it is not the information on skills that makes fear a formatting of players, but their classification.
• For me, I think the tutorial should make it clear that getting more skilled on melee is the best way to get extra hit points and also that it would benefit from pointing to the Bunny Tools app.
Ulukyn clarified that while Bunny Tools is indeed a good app, it is and will remain external. He adds that each school will teach a path (a branch) with a precise indication of the necessary and useful skills to be acquired to follow the path in question and, as much as possible, the possibilities offered by the different blends of those. The goal remains to give players all the information they need to make an informed choice.
• Silan is in my opinion a pretty complete tutorial as it is now. So, if adding icons to better indicate this or that point seems useful to me, the rest of the refactoring is not, I think, a good idea. Because giving everything to new players as soon as Silan will deprive them of the surprise of discovering Atys. Simplify Silan, why not? But from there to make it a mini-Atys… we might as well remove it and make new players be born directly on Atys.
Ulukyn recalls that it is not a question of turning Silan into a mini-Atys, but only of making sure that Silan gives new players the means to be autonomous, to know what and how to look for on Atys as soon as they set foot there. Because currently, arriving on the mainland is a surprise, yes: to discover almost another game. So the refactoring is not about remaking Atys on Silan, but about providing tantalizing glimpses of Atys on Silan.
• The fact remains that the pleasure of discovery, even of a "quasi-new" game, is what makes Ryzom a unique game. And as for the autonomy on the continent, it can be obtained quite quickly by new players thanks to the help of the seasoned ones, as it is currently practiced.
(Ulukyn goes on) Today, new players arriving on Atys know nothing about what awaits them there. In order to encourage them to join the mainland, we think it is important to let them know (without, of course, going into details) that they will find many more means and activities (Elyps, occupations, role-playing, dynamic events, etc.) than just the dappers, missions and skill acquisitions that they are currently presented while on Silan.
• I actually think that there is too much information available on mainland and not enough on Silan, except for the classes (branches), for which the ratio is the opposite.
• Integrating the Silan map with the Atys one is a great idea: it will make new players curious about the mainland and show them that the have still much to explore.
• Many players I know have actually left Ryzom thinking that the playing field was limited to Silan. For the same reason, some have played Ryzom for only two months… time to exhaust the pleasures of Silan.
This Ulukyn confirms by saying that one of the first questions he is asked when he has the game tested is: "Is this the map of the entire game area?".
• When I was on Silan, I actually had the feeling that I was alone, playing on a map that was empty of players. And it didn't make me want to go on. That's why I think it would be good to encourage experienced players to come back to the island more often.
Ulukyn points out that the lessons offered by the Silan schools will probably not only be of interest to new players, but also to players not so experienced for having only recently joined the mainland. The latter will then naturally be led to return to Silan to complete the incomplete training they have received from the current tutorial.
• To fight against this feeling of loneliness of the beginner, wouldn't it also be wise to replace the /who command by a button of UI, of easier use for all?
Ulukyn advises the speaker to post his suggestion to the forum. Because the latter is regularly consulted by contributors who are developers, therefore able to propose the RT a patch implementing it.
• Why not carry out, at the time when the players address to Chiang the Strong to emigrate towards the continent, a survey of satisfaction in order to collect their feelings and opinion on Silan?
Ulukyn indicates that such a survey has already been conducted by him with players who, at his request, tested the game with him during three days. He adds that it has been used, as well as the occasional feedback received from new players and a very critical video about Ryzom (which, if you don't already know it, you can find here), to elaborate the tutorial improvement project presented today.
• Will players, at the said time, be advised to contact the Welcomer of the city they have chosen as destination for their journey to the mainland?
Ulukyn says yes, because the team believes that anything that helps new players find their way around is a good thing, no matter what form it takes (text, school lesson, or visual cue), and that if they don't know what they can (or can't) do there, they're unlikely to enjoy the game.
• Having personally benefited on my arrival from the free services of a quality teacher (an experienced player) I confirm that the rules guaranteeing a good learning of the game rules (and their respect) by players must themselves be learned.
• Some elements of the UI seem to me deserve to be corrected or made adaptable. For example, the size of the cursor in 4K: as, playing on a 55" screen, I already have trouble seeing it, I wonder how others cope.
Ulukyn commits himself to bring up the suggestion.
• As we all are not as good at learning foreign languages as some, I think an automatic translation of private in-game conversations (/tell) would also be very useful.
Ulukyn answers that unfortunately it is not possible to add such an option at the moment.

The meeting is closed at 22:09 UTC

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#228 Added by Mazenmar 4 years ago [fr]

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Ca me fait penser au Grand Bleu, quand Enzo fait repeindre sa vieille Topolina avec 3 couches de peintures...ça donne un peu de fraîcheur mais ça change pas ce qu'il y a sous la peinture...
En même temps (:)) c'est rassurant de savoir qu'un joueur comme moi peut partir pendant plus d'un an et retrouver le jeu (pratiquement) tel qu'il l'a laissé...
* La porte s'ouvre brusquement, le docteur interpelle l'infirmière,
- je vous avais dit de ne pas laisser Mazenmar aussi longtemps devant l'écran !
Le doc s'approche de Mazenmar,
- ben alors Mazenmar, ça va plus ? Et 'Esprit d'Atys, et la Lore...et toutes ces merveilleuse attractions un peu partout ?
Mazenmar tourne de grands yeux vides vers le doc
- c'est un supplice chinois doc, je subis cruellement les mêmes irritations depuis 6 ans, je veux partir, très loin, au fond de la kitinière et au-delà si c'est possible...
Le doc le regarde, désespéré devant sa détresse, que faire pour rendre l'espoir au vieux matis ? Il sait au fond de lui que Mazenmar s'enfonce de plus en plus dans ses vieux rêves...
- Allez Mazenmar, un cachet de Concensus 2000, ça va bien se passer !
Mazenmar avale le cachet, repars dans ses songes, revoie le Désert profond et les tribus de Fremens (* wink wink *)...du sable glisse dans ses mains...ses yeux se voilent...il n'est plus là.*

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#229 Added by Gidget 4 years ago [en]

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Just my two dappers...

Damages from creature attacks near the Ranger Camp. They will be reduced as it currently causes too many deaths. Character dying too frequently suggests to players that the game is not for them, or that they have misunderstood the rules, increasing the risk that they will abandon Ryzom without delay.

I think that the same is also needed on the road leading West from Yrkanis for much the same reason. While Fairhaven and Pyr are pretty safe, and Zora is okay so long as you leave by the South gate, I lost count of how many fresh-from-Silan Homins I've seen meet an untimely end along that road. Vigourous Gingos/Ragus are fine, and Growling aren't too bad for anyone that completed Silan, but multiple Scowling less than 400m from the gates along the road is a bit much. Level 46 mobs once you get past the Green Seeds camp on your way to Psykopla Knoll is fine, but that close to the city... I've seen more than one player quit as a result of that "challenge", so it might be worth changing.

Silan is in my opinion a pretty complete tutorial as it is now. So, if adding icons to better indicate this or that point seems useful to me, the rest of the refactoring is not, I think, a good idea. Because giving everything to new players as soon as Silan will deprive them of the surprise of discovering Atys. Simplify Silan, why not? But from there to make it a mini-Atys… we might as well remove it and make new players be born directly on Atys.
[i]Ulukyn recalls that it is not a question of turning Silan into a mini-Atys, but only of making sure that Silan gives new players the means to be autonomous, to know what and how to look for on Atys as soon as they set foot there. Because currently, arriving on the mainland is a surprise, yes: to discover almost another game. So the refactoring is not about remaking Atys on Silan, but about providing tantalizing glimpses of Atys on Silan.

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Experience guides opinion, and my experience is different. I did not learn of enchants at all from Silan, nor was there really any discussion of TPs, and Ranged Weapons were a mystery to me aside from seeing a few skills on the skill tree. I learned a lot of what I feel to be very basic information from older players long after doing the missions in Silan. And unlike a lot of newer players, I am an old-school TRPG player who knows and appreciated the value of reading what NPCs say. In fact, I was here a fair while before I realized Silan was merely a tutorial. While some information may technically be there, the presentation needs revamping so that new players can learn without a tutor. It's a lot better than it used to be, but is still a work-in-progress.

I see Silan as a way to learn the basics and pique the curiousity. While I agree that it should not be "mini-Atys", I also feel that new players that don't get mentored and are merely left in the hands of the NPCs won't even get enough info to get curious. And that is a shame. That's not to say that we should remove all of the mystery (far from it), but the current state of Silan errs on the side of too much mystery.

On a semi-related note, I think that the "sliding scale" XP rewards system also throws people. Another thing I've seen a lot over the years is questions like, "Why are these Sucking Yubos only giving me 300 XP when I used to get over 1000?". So maybe making it a little more obvious that character growth (XP) is related to relative challenge instead of merely body count would be helpful.

• Many players I know have actually left Ryzom thinking that the playing field was limited to Silan. For the same reason, some have played Ryzom for only two months… time to exhaust the pleasures of Silan.
This Ulukyn confirms by saying that one of the first questions he is asked when he has the game tested is: "Is this the map of the entire game area?".

That seems to be a common misconception. I saw a "How big is the map" video on Youtube that had an episode about Ryzom, and they were also surprised to learn about Mainland.

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Ryzom Forge meeting (June 14th 2021)

Date: monday, June 14th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:

Atys, on the public forge channel

Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en

Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.
Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.

Agenda
[Feedback] Last patch
[Information] CoC update project

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Compte-Rendu de la réunion de Ryzom Forge – 14 juin 2021

1 - Retours sur le dernier patch

Ulukyn (RT) – 19:39 UTC

Ci-après les liens vers le dernier patch appliqué :
    • Patch 868 du 17 avril 2021
    • Patch 873 du 20 avril 2021 (correctif du patch 868)
Pour information, le contenu de ce patch est désormais complétement actif sur Atys.
Nous avons donc ajouté, entre autres :
   – des leçons et récompenses pour toute la Storyline ;
   – des allégories productrices d'effets et des missions Storyline permettant d'améliorer lesdits effets ;
   – l'activation des avant-postes du Nexus Mineur.
À noter que la forme des leçons (guides illustrés des missions) de la Storyline sera reprise pour les projets :
   – de refonte de Silan (leçons tutorielles) ;
   – de la nouvelle Encyclopédie (leçons guides des Rites).

Y a-t-il des questions, remarques ou des retours ?

Refonte de Silan

Si je crée un nouveau personnage, pourra-t-il bénéficier de la nouvelle Silan, c'est à dire du nouveau système d'apprentissage (voir CR réunion RF du 26 avril 2021) ?
Oui. Et même les personnages actuels des joueurs curieux pourront eux-aussi aller sur Silan pour y suivre l'apprentissage rénové.
Quand ce nouvel apprentissage sera-t-il disponible en jeu ?
Le patch qui l'implantera est encore en préparation, mais son interface, comme dit, ressemblera aux leçons actuellement proposées dans la Storyline.
Je pense qu'il est important d'encourager le jeu en équipe, c'est toute la beauté de Ryzom ! Aussi, est-il prévu de proposer sur Silan des missions encourageant les débutants à jouer ensemble ?
Il n'est pas prévu d'ajouter sur Silan des missions semblables à celles qui y sont déjà proposées. Mais les futures leçons de Silan expliqueront plus en détail les avantages, les possibilités et les commandes permettant de jouer en équipe, guilde, faction, etc. Il y aura donc des leçons à objectifs simples, pour par exemple grouper ou rejoindre une guilde.

Rumeurs et Storyline

J'ai eu un peu de mal à comprendre le nouveau système de rumeurs. Le plus perturbant pour moi, c'est d'être dirigé vers un PNJ porteur de la rumeur « Quoi de neuf ? », d'arriver devant lui, de faire clic-droit, d'avoir « Quoi de neuf ? » dans la bulle, de cliquer dessus... et de voir s'afficher dans le chat l'explication de ce que fait un chasseur (par exemple). Il m'a fallu un peu de temps avant de comprendre qu'il fallait « Demander poliment » et cliquer ensuite sur le second « Quoi de neuf ? » qui apparaît alors.
Ulukyn indique que le bogue est connu, qu'il sera corrigé au prochain patch et que d'ici là, les PNJ proposant un « Qui suis-je ? » ne seront plus choisis pour porter un « Quoi de neuf ? ».
Collecter des rumeurs en suivant simplement un chemin indiqué n'a que très peu d'intérêt pour moi. Aussi, les prochaines rumeurs mises en jeu seront-elles trouvables aisément grâce à l'indication de la position des PNJ les portant ou cette indication ne sera-t-elle donnée que pour les rumeurs anciennes, non trouvées en leur temps par le joueur ?
Les nouvelles rumeurs seront soit dans le « Quoi de neuf ? » (pour la plupart) soit dans la Storyline (pour celles , concernant un même thème, dont la récolte constitue une mission prescrite par tel ou tel épisode). Dans les deux cas, la position du PNJ à interroger sera indiquée mais, dans le second cas, et jusqu'à ce que l'épisode concerné soit terminé, le délai d'attente entre deux rumeurs successives sera plus long que dans le premier.
S'agissant des missions de la Storyline, leur description en jeu ne pourrait-elle davantage souligner que la mission vous dirige vers un PNJ qui vous donnera SÛREMENT de nouvelles informations, mais que vous pouvez accomplir la mission en interrogeant d'autres PNJ, si vous savez (ou pensez savoir) lesquels ?
Oui, c'est pertinent ! Mais il ne faut pas perdre de vue que les missions des épisodes terminés de la Storyline demeurent (et demeureront) disponibles, aux joueurs n'ayant pu (ou voulu) vivre ces épisodes « en direct » : ne pas leur offrir une option rapide risquerait de rebuter ces derniers. Aussi, pour répondre à la question, pourrait-on, par exemple :
– pour l'épisode en cours : ne donner la position du personnage porteur de la rumeur suivante qu'après que 20 heures se soient écoulées, favorisant ainsi la recherche « classique » ;
– pour les épisodes passés : donner la position du personnage porteur de la rumeur suivante dès que 20 minutes se sont écoulées.

Refonte des avant-postes

Deux guildes n'ayant pas chacune un effectif suffisant peuvent-elles se réunir en une seule pour le temps d'une bataille-test d'avant-poste au Nexus ?
Oui… Pour le moment, car ce ne sera plus possible plus tard, vu que ces batailles-test participent en fait au développement du futur système d'avant-postes.
Je trouve les nouveautés testées sur les avant-postes du Nexus très rafraichissantes mais réduire le temps des batailles d'avant-poste est-il toujours l'objectif fixé à la refonte ?
Oui. Il reste seulement à déterminer la force des PNJ défenseurs, vu que le nombre de rounds sera réduit de ce fait.
On a vu ces derniers mois sur Atys plusieurs batailles dépasser de beaucoup les 10 rounds. D'où ma question : à réduire le temps des batailles d'avant-poste ne risque-t-on pas d'appauvrir les stratégies ?
Ce débat a déjà eu lieu. Par respect pour le groupe qui a longuement discuté, argumenté et finalement trouvé un accord, nous ne reviendrons pas sur les décisions prises. Mais il reste de nombreux points à paufiner et vos avis, retours et suggestions demeurent très souhaités.

Allégories à effets

S'agissant des effets d'allégories, la résurrection évoquée est-elle celle « naturelle » (au point de respawn choisi, une fois le coma terminé) ou celle provoquée (via le sort lancé par un joueur bienveillant) ?
C'est uniquement la naturelle.
Je pense avoir bénéficié déjà d'un effet d'allégorie sans que les caractéristiques d'état de mon personnage soient toutes restaurées au niveau annoncé. Peut-on vérifier ça ?
Oui, ce sera fait dès que possible, sur le serveur de test Gingo.

Divers

Les nouveaux Rois sont-ils eux aussi actifs désormais ?
Ils le sont pour lors seulement au Nexus et le seront dans les Primes Racines au prochain patch, puis partout sur Atys.
Avant le dernier patch, mon alt avait été récompensé pour avoir terminé le prologue de la Storyline, mais il lui manque aujourd'hui trois rumeurs de 2607. Cela sera-t-il corrigé ?
Ce bogue vous est peut-être spécifique… Le mieux pour vous est, je pense, de soumettre au à l'Asssitance un ticket le décrivant.
Le prochain patch inclura-t-il le fichier de traduction permettant, quand on acquiert une nouvelle compétence,d'afficher un message intelligible dans le canal SYS. INFO ?
Oui, ce sera sans doute effectif au prochain redémarrage du serveur (donc avant même le prochain patch).

2 - Projet de mise à jour du Code de Conduite

Tamarea (RT) – 20:28 UTC

S'agissant du « multiboxing » ainsi qu'en ce qui concerne les sanctions, nous aimerions mettre à jour d'ici peu le Code de Conduite. Je vais donc vous présenter ce que nous pensons changer.
Pour rappel, l'actuel Code de Conduite est consultable ici (cliquer sur le drapeau de langue pour en changer).
1 - Multiboxing et JcJ
Nous avons actuellement un problème d'imprécision et même de contradiction au sein du Code de conduite (CdC) :
En zone JcJ, les joueurs qui ne veulent pas être attaqués sont priés de quitter la zone. ==> Attaquer un joueur au Nexus avec 4 comptes simultanés est donc autorisé.
Le multiboxing est limité à 2 comptes simultanés dans les événements de la Storyline. ==> Attaquer un joueur effectuant une mission Storyline au Nexus avec plus de 2 comptes simultanés est donc interdit.
Ceci, outre que le cas des spots magiques n'est pas pris en compte, rend la résolution des tickets concernant le Nexus très délicate. Donc, pour clarifier le Code de Conduite, nous allons étendre la limite de 2 comptes simultanés à tout le JcJ, donc au JcJ sur les avant-postes, dans les régions JcJ (spots magiques et Nexus inclus), et partout sur Atys.
2 - Multiboxing pendant les heures creuses
La limitation du multiboxing dans le CdC a eu un impact positif sur les heures de jeu européennes, mais aussi un fort impact négatif sur le nombre de joueurs présents durant les heures de jeu extra-européennes (heures de pointe de jeu dans des pays comme les USA, mais durant lesquelles le nombre de joueurs connectés sur Ryzom est très faible).
Ce dernier point pose à Ryzom un problème insoluble en termes de marketing, qui a des répercussions financières. Concrètement, alors que la limitation ne pose aucun problème de jeu aux heures européennes, le faible nombre de joueurs et les nombreux fuseaux horaires rendent impossible, aux heures creuses, l'accès au jeu de haut niveau (Rois, Chefs Maraudeurs) sauf à utiliser plus de 2 comptes simultanés.
Cela nous fait entrer dans un cercle vicieux : Manque de joueurs aux heures creuses ==> Pas assez de personnes pour accéder au jeu de haut niveau ==> Désabonnement et abandon du jeu ==> Personne pour accueillir les nouveaux ==> Départ des nouveaux ==> Manque de joueurs aux heures creuses.
Ainsi, pour permettre aux joueurs d'heures creuses d'accéder à nouveau au jeu de haut niveau et pour nous donner une chance de repeupler le serveur pendant ces heures, nous allons tester, durant 1 mois, la tolérance de 4 comptes simultanés pour tout sauf le JcJ pendant les heures creuses, de 22h00 UTC (0h00 CEST) à 05h00 UTC (07h00 CEST), période où cette tolérance est nécessaire pour pouvoir jouer à haut niveau.
Si l'accueil de la communauté et l'impact sur le nombre de connexions/abonnements aux heures creuses de cette disposition sont positifs, elle sera ajoutée au CdC après le mois de test, lequel se déroulera du 15 juin au 15 juillet.
3 - Ajout d'un barème de pénalités
Actuellement, le CdC ne prévoit aucune sanction intermédiaire entre 1 mois de suspension et interdiction à vie : nous allons y remédier en ajoutant une sanction d'un an de suspension (plus de détails viendront plus tard).

Je vous laisse réagir sur les trois points : d'abord sur le 1 (multiboxing et JcJ), puis nous enchainerons sur les deux autres.

Les interdictions précédentes pour l'utilisation simultanée de 4 comptes, seront-elles levées ?
Oui, mais seulement entre 22:00 UTC (0h00 CEST) et 05:00 UTC (07h00 CEST) et pendant 1 mois, le temps de tester. Nous verrons ensuite si nous intégrons ce point au Code de Conduite.
Comme la période creuse se termine en début d'après-midi pour les joueurs d'Australie et de Nouvelle-Zélande, et que certains joueurs européens pourraient souhaiter eux aussi utiliser leurs alts, je me demandais : si le test se passe bien et que la communauté le souhaite largement, envisageriez-vous à l'avenir d'étendre cette tolérance augmentée à d'autres fuseaux horaires ?
Nous avons choisi ces heures pour tester car elles sont heures creuses en terme de connexions. Si le test est positif, nous ajusterons peut-être le créneau d'une heure si besoin. Le but est de permettre aux joueurs connectés aux heures creuses de profiter aussi du jeu haut niveau. Ce n'est nullement lié aux nationalités, et donc tout joueur connecté durant ces heures là bénéficiera de la levée de la limitation.
« Limite de 2 comptes simultanés pour tout le JcJ, donc pour le JcJ sur les avant-postes, dans les régions JcJ (spots magiques et Nexus inclus), et partout sur Atys. » Telle est donc la nouvelle règle sauf entre 0h et 7h CEST ? La phrase d'introduction du point 1 donne une autre impression. Veuillez confirmer.
Oui. La limitation à 2 comptes est étendue à tout le JcJ et ce, 24h sur 24. La tolérance de 4 comptes (sauf pour le JcJ) sera testée durant 1 mois aux heures creuses, donc pour le moment de 22:00 UTC (0h00 CEST) à 05:00 UTC (07h00 CEST). Si le test est concluant, nous intègrerons dans le Code de Conduite cette tolérance aux heures creuses.
J'aimerais une clarification sur le décompte des comptes simultanés. Ma femme et moi avons chacun 2 comptes (elle ne joue généralement qu'un seul à la fois). Mes deux comptes et les siens sont sous des noms différents, mais ils se connectent depuis la même adresse IP. Je veux juste m'assurer que ce n'est pas un problème.
Dans un tel cas (plusieurs comptes utilisables par divers membres d'une même famille), vous devez contacter le Support pour l'en informer. Car il est nécessaire que, lorsque vous êtes en jeu tous deux avec plus d'un compte, il soit clair pour tout le monde que ce n'est pas la même personne qui contrôle tous le comptes.
Le multiboxing, bien qu'interdit sur les événements Storyline, est-il autorisé sur d'autres events ? Comme les événements HRP ?
Non, il n'est pas autorisé sur les events.
Pendant les heures creuses, est-ce que forer dans une zone JcJ avec 4 comptes sera autorisé tant que le détenteur de ces 4 comptes n'initie pas le JcJ ?
L'idée derrière cette tolérance aux heures creuses est de permettre aux joueurs d'effectuer de nouveau les activités devenues impossibles à cause du faible nombre de joueurs connectés ces heures là. Or, forer est tout à fait possible avec un seul compte, ou, si on utilise un soigneur de sources, deux comptes seulement. Donc utiliser 4 comptes pour le forage n'est pas nécessaire.
Donc, si on utilise 4 comptes dans une zone JcJ et qu'on se fait attaquer, on n'a pas le droit de riposter, n'est-ce pas ? Parce que cela irait à l'encontre du CdC.
C'est vrai. Mais, au moins, le CdC vous permet-il de riposter avec deux comptes.
Les joueurs ayant été autrefois bannis à vie parce que n'existait pas alors la sanction d'un an de suspension pourront-ils obtenir un réexamen de leur situation ?
Oui, nous pourrons réexaminer les cas sur demande. Par contre, bien sûr, seuls ceux qui auraient pu bénéficier de cette suspension d'un an au lieu du bannissement à vie pourront obtenir gain de cause.

3 - Questions hors-sujet

Deux PNJ sont apparus au Camp Maraudeur : l'un échange les MP d'avant-postes karavaniers en MP d'avant-postes maraudeurs et l'autre fournit les plans d'artisanat pour la confection d'objets d'avant-postes maraudeurs. Serait-il possible de doter les capitales d'un PNJ de ce dernier type ou, au moins, permettre à tous (et non aux seuls Maraudeurs) l'achat de ses plans au Camp Maraudeur, quitte a y devoir y accéder sous invulnérabilité.
Oui. Mais c'est la deuxième suggestion qui sera adoptée.
Est-il normal que la renommée des Rangers auprès des Maraudeurs ne puisse dépasser -50 ?
Oui. Car il s'agit d'une renommée dynamique, dépendant des autres renommées. Ainsi la renommée d'un PJ auprès des Maraudeurs ne peut dépasser l'inverse de celle dont ce PJ jouit auprès des nations. Comme un Ranger, par définition, jouit d'une renommée au moins égale à +50 auprès de toutes les nations, sa renommée auprès des Maraudeurs ne peut en aucun cas dépasser -50.
Ceci n'est-il pas un peu en contradiction avec le jeu de rôle des Rangers ?
Non. Car ma réponse précédente concernait le gameplay uniquement : les PNJ Maraudeurs se précipiteront sans réfléchir (évidemment) sur tout Ranger les approchant, vu q'une renommée négative auprès d'un peuple indique que les PNJ de ce peuple ne vous aiment pas (non l'inverse).
Par contre, la renommée est sans effet sur les PJ et leur jeu de rôle : un PJ d'un peuple ou d'une faction peut toujours, s'il le désire, soigner et/ou relever un PJ d'un autre autre peuple ou faction, quelle que soit sa renommée auprès du peuple ou de la faction de ce dernier. Donc il me semble (les loristes pourraient probablement mieux vous répondre) qu'un PJ Ranger se doit, s'il veut se conformer au credo des Rangers, de soigner (ou relever) un PJ Maraudeur dans les ennuis (ou le coma).

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#232 Added by Gidget 3 years ago [en]

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Nilstilar

As the off-peak period ends in the early afternoon for players in Australia and New Zealand, and that some European players might want to use their alts as well, I was wondering : if the test goes well and the community largely wants it, would you consider in the future the possibility of extending this increased tolerance to more time zones?

We chose these hours to test because they are off-peak hours in terms of connections. If the test is positive, we may adjust the time slot by one hour if needed. The goal is to allow players connected at off-peak times to also enjoy the high level game. This is not related to nationalities, so any player who is connected during these hours will benefit from the lifting of the limitation.

While I understand that it's not intended to be related to nationalities, it is impossible for it to not be related. There is no escaping the fact that the majority of the US is in four different time zones, and Australia is on the other side of the planet. East Coast Americans will only be minorly affected (1800-0100 EDT), but us West Coast Americans (1500-2200 PDT) may have our evenings impacted, and anyone in Australia who works a normal daytime job will simply never see the off-peak hours (0800-1500 AEST; 0600-1300 AWST).

It's worth testing, but my thinking is that there will probably be fewer non-EU players with more than 2 accounts, and that it may be seen by some as a form of favoritism regardless of intent which may have additional repercussions. We won't know for sure without testing, of course. I might be wrong. I hope I'm wrong. We'll see.

This is a very tricky issue with no easy solutions.

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#233 Added by Elke 3 years ago [en]

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Nilstilar
[b]As the off-peak period ends in the early afternoon for players in Australia and New Zealand, and that some European players might want to use their alts as well, I was wondering : if the test goes well and the community largely wants it, would you consider in the future the possibility of extending this increased tolerance to more time zones?

I have the impression that you understand it the wrong way: the general limit is 2 accounts: In European night time (22 UT - 5 UT) four accounts are allowed. So why would it impact the multi accounts outside Europe more than in Europe? Also: reducing this the the very intention...

That said, basically everything can be done with 2 accounts other than killing certain bosses - where you then need 2 or 3 actual players.

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#234 Added by Gidget 3 years ago [en]

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I have the impression that you understand it the wrong way: the general limit is 2 accounts: In European night time (22 UT - 5 UT) four accounts are allowed. So why would it impact the multi accounts outside Europe more than in Europe? Also: reducing this the the very intention...That said, basically everything can be done with 2 accounts other than killing certain bosses - where you then need 2 or 3 actual players.

I fully understand that there will be fewer European quad-boxers, but I have the impression that you do not understand my criticism. And that's fine; I'm far from the most eloquent, and depressingly accustomed to being misunderstood. Let me attempt to clarify my thinking.

In Eastern US/Canada night time (1800-0100 EDT) four accounts are allowed. No problem. In fact, they make out quite well as they have practically unrestricted quad-boxing privilieges unless they have truly odd sleep schedules. Lifting the restrictions will work as intended. And I will concede that half of the US population is in that time zone, so if you can only pick one time zone to get more North Americans on, that's the one you should pick.

In Western US/Canada afternoon/evening time (1500 to 2200 PDT) four accounts are allowed. Quad-boxers might have to log off two alts at some point, especially if they are night owls who don't go to bed early. It may or may not be worthwhile for them to have more than two accounts, so the effectiveness of lifting the restriction is questionable. If I ran 3-4 accounts, this would make me drop a subscription or two, and I have a hard time believing that there aren't any other left-coasters that feel the same.

In Australian day time (0800-1500 AEST; 0600-1300 AWST) four accounts are allowed. Except for the people in Western Oz that want to play for an hour or so before work, they will simply never be on when four accounts are allowed except on weekends. And Asians and Pacific Islanders are also in/near the same time zones. It simply would make no sense for them to bother with more than two accounts, period. Just as it makes little sense for European players that generally are not up between midnight and 7.

So we have something that helps half of North America, doesn't really do much for the other half, and doesn't do a thing for pretty much anyone else around the Pacific Rim. That limits the benefits of allowing four accounts in ways that feed my skepticism. There is also an (unfortunately unavoidable) inequality there that just rubs me the wrong way. Combine that inequality with the dubious effectiveness and you will get pretty close to the reason for my having reservations about this whole thing.Does that clarify anything?

Like I said, I hope to be proven wrong, and we won't know if we don't test it. But if I'm even partially right, I hope that my input will help craft a more effective solution.

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#235 Added by Erisapple 3 years ago [en]

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Gidget, I envy your ability to use timezones.

The short of it is that the times were chosen because it's when the population is consistently the lowest. It's definitely not perfect but it is something to try to help fill some gaps in making teams for bosses and other activities. And hopefully a few more homins around if fresh ones need answers. Perhaps it can be expanded after the trial month.

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#236 Added by Tamarea 3 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting (July 12th 2021)

Date: monday, July 12th, 19:30 UTC (21:30 CEST)

Meeting places:

Atys, on the public forge channel

Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en

Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.

Agenda
-Test of Ryztart, the new Ryzom installer/launcher
-Upcoming update of the Code of Conduct
-Events in july and august
-Recrutement: Event team

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