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#205 Added by Moniq 4 years ago [en] 

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Can you please split the report into English and French version? This is terrible to read.

Also, I am missing report form the previous meeting.

#206 Added by Jorgensen 4 years ago [en] 

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Moniq, there are many hundreds of lines. I already had to write a program to scrape this much from my chat logs. I'll see what i can do for tidying up that stuff, but i can't promise anything.

#207 Added by Eolinius 4 years ago [fr] 

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Pour information utile il existe une application qui permet d'extraire et de trier les canaux que l'on veut a partir du fichier chatlog

ChatLog decoder

/appzone 1831
(FR) Analyse votre chatlog et vous permet de ne garder que les informations que vous souhaitez. -- (En) Analyzes your chatlog and helps you getting only the informations you want. -- Credit : Kervala / Natara

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#208 Added by Magez 4 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting report - November 16th, 2020

Agenda
Code of Conduct :
Tykus
Several things have been added such as the rule for custom names of zigs and toubs, Marauder bosses have also been added in rule III.8.

Various corrections have been made to the texts, especially in the wording, I advise you to reread it in its entirety.

Adding the Russian version https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/31250/1


Special thanks go to the translators who worked quickly to tune the various versions of the code, with changes, corrections etc…


sinvaders : his a real translation or is it DeepL?

tykus : It’s translated by a Russian translator from English :)
It’s a real translation :)

Nightviper : will the RT do to enforce the rules? is everything dependent on me recording a video of any behaviour?

tykus : No, sometimes a screen is enough, but the important thing is that players should try as much as possible to sort things out between themselves, support only comes into play if there is no means of dialogue
Support cannot ( and must not ) intervene at all times, it harms the fluidity of the game :)

Nightviper: not about conflicts between players, I’m talking about botting and MultiBoxing

tykus : Viper, we’re talking about multi boxing right after :)




Xiom : What ‘s the point of making a code of conduct with clear rules if the support is not there to decide?

tykus : support will be in the middle, yes, if the players can’t get along, that’s all :)

tykus : For example, a player passes you by followed by a procession of mobs and you die… No need to shout after a CSR, try to contact the player, see if he’s dead too, if he can rez you etc…
if the player answers you wrong, laughs at you, then the support intervenes :)


Sinvaders : if we agree (between players) on something that violates the Code of Conduct, we stay in the game? because it’s resolved between players.

tykus : exactly :)
Good sense always prevails :)

Kyrean : many players must be present for the rule to be accepted; all or just a few ?

tykus : if the players involved get along, the spectator players don’t have to intervene, it creates unnecessary tension :) And that’s not the point :)


Kyrean: if only one player involved doesn’t start with the others?


tykus : If a player is not convinced, he can always make a ticket, the support will then evaluate its admissibility :)

Kyrean says: The rules is flexible at will. It’s blurry

tykus :It’s a rule of common sense… Moreover any abuse of the support can be punished :)

Krill : I have the impression that the rules are there if the players don’t get along.

tykus : that’s it Krill :)


Xtarsia :you phone the police every time you see someone going slightly too fast? no. someone doing 100mph through a school zone? sure.

tykus : Exactly Xtarsia :)
on a game there is less risk for human life anyway :)

Xiom : We’re not going to lie to each other, the bottom line is auto-clicking with the alts … why tolerate alt again? no alt no cheating.

tykus : We can’t compare the highway code to the ryzom driving code anyway…
the risks are clearly not the same :)

Depyraken : one player bother the others, it will always happen (and… fortunately… in fact)… but should we establish too restrictive laws that will bother everyone because of one person?

tykus : We’re also amended the exploit part, adding the security holes… We have also specified that a player who reports an exploit or a security breach, cannot be punished, if he stop using since discovered.

Syron : Players should try to solve problems on their own… without resorting to support.

tykus : I’m talking about the Syron player conflict, right?


Syron : In the case of two players are ok, to steal from each other just to spice up their game a little bit… what happens?

tykus: the people around can send a ticket and we will evaluate if the inconvenience is real or not :P

Syron : but, clearly, there’s so much GM missing that we’re forced to solve the problems between us (and we’re not going to lie to each other, it never works)…

tykus : No Syron, that’s not the point, we get a lot of complaints that could be settled by the players themselves, that’s why I’m pointing it out…
Tykus


III.4. Multiboxing

4.1 General rule

Multiboxing (playing several characters at the same time, without the help of third party software) is limited to two accounts connected simultaneously during outpost battles, chasing Bosses, assaults on Chief Marauders and Storyline scripted events (see III.4.2) and tolerates up to four accounts for other activities.
When a player plays several characters simultaneously (multi-boxing), there should be no doubt for an observer that they are controlled manually one after the other and not by a bot. In case of doubt, the observer is invited to send to the Support a video showing the characters acting in an apparently synchronized way. The Support will then decide if this constitutes a breach of this Code of Conduct and, if so, is the work of a possible bot (see III.3) or if it is a breach of this paragraph. In the latter case, the accounts concerned will be subject to a simultaneous connection restriction (inability to connect two or more accounts simultaneously).

Nightviper : will the RT do to enforce the rules? is everything dependent on me recording a video of any behaviour?

Tykus: We’re equipped ourselves with tools to enforce this rule, and as time goes by, gameplay modifications will make it less interesting to use simultaneous accounts on large phases of the game.

Syron : The tools you’re talking about are tools that allow you to ‘’see’’ which multibox or are they just tools that allow you to limit the number of players in an instance for example? This would not solve the problem of multiboxing detection

tykus :Just to see, to limit the means that have been around for a long time, it’s just the lack of evidence that’s blocking…
Knowing that it is impossible to limit the number of connections to the server efficiently, we have opted for this alternative :)

sinvaders : already been seen that videos don’t help prove someone’s multiboxing.
In some cases, it wasn’t the videos that were missing.

Tykus: that’s why we have tools to check, same for the bot, the videos, in most cases, do not prove 100% the bot, so we chose to ask the suspected player, to now you how he does it :)
No MMO has an effective system against bots…
Syron : indeed, hence the question of how Ryzom intends to fight against bots :p

tykus : none can syron it, they all broke their teeth on it… So we have chosen to ask for transparency from the players :)
Tykus
4.2 Multiboxing is limited to two accounts connected simultaneously during outpost battles, Kings hunts, Chief Marauders assaults, and Storyline storyboard events.
If you suspect abuse, please send a screenshot or video showing the violation to the support team.


Syron : If this decision has been put into place it is because it seems obvious that playing x players at the same time gives a significant advantage to the ‘’competitive’’ gameplay (king/marau etc…).
What is the interest or the logic to keep the authorization to 2 accounts anyway?

tamarea: This solution (limitation to two counts on OPs, marauding kings and kings and tolerance to four counts elsewhere) was chosen because it is the best possible compromise between the different ways of playing


Xiom : one in his corner ok, 2 for an event such as king, op or event it doesn’t make more sense, we clearly favor the rich and clever of the bot.

tamarea : Our new tools will allow us to see who is misusing multiboxing, we will just need a ticket with video to initiate our verification.
The other hand, we are starting to work on gameplay modifications to reduce the interest of multiboxing, especially with the Boss refactoring project.
Players who like to play multiboxing are allowed to do so outside of OP, kings and boss maraus, as long as it is obvious to an observer that they are not bots. Movements must not be they don’t seem to be in sync. When in doubt, we will investigate and will be able to remove the tolerance to four simultaneous counts.
main objective is to make multiboxing ineffective on kings, especially for camping.
Scripted missions, especially those of the Storyline, will also make multiboxing either impossible or ineffective.



Xiom: Tamarea, what will the modified gameplay measures look like?
Tamarea: Xiom you can see the latest report on Boss refactoring here: https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=post/view/202186

Syron : still doesn’t answer the question ‘’Why continue to give a 2 count advantage over king/op/marau…
tamarea : Syron : we allow two accounts on POs etc. primarily for financial reasons.

Tamarea : We’ re thinking about adding supernodes to the multiboxing limitation. What’s your opinion on the subject?

Jorgensen : i agree it should be in the list
Nizyros :+1we have no other choice at our disposal
Sinvaders : Should be on the list.

tykus : was the last topic of the meeting, since it’s getting late, we’re going to close the meeting :)

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#209 Added by Jorgensen 4 years ago [en] 

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magez you are much better at this than I am!

#210 Added by Jorgensen 4 years ago [en] 

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:)

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#211 Added by Moniq 4 years ago [en] 

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That is much better, thanks.

#212 Added by Elke 4 years ago [fr] 

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thank you for the transcript. I'm curious how it will work out in practise :)

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#213 Added by Tykus 4 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting ( November 30 th 2020)


Date: monday, November 30 th, 20:30 UTC (21:30 CET)

Meeting places:
  • Atys, on the public channel RF
orDuration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.
Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.
Agenda
    New launcher

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#214 Added by Liostabezephy 4 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting report – November 30th, 2020

New launcher (Tykus)

Tykus
We have noticed that the current launcher ( ryzom_installer .exe) has some difficulties with patches [...]. So Ulukyn has coded a new one that should fix all these problems. It will allow you to import your profiles from the old one and to install in 2 clicks the test servers if needed. It will also allow you to create profiles for each of your accounts, which will be able to connect automatically, as shortcuts. The launcher is the software that launches before the game. It allows you to manage the servers and the patches, then the game will launch without any problem.

Q: Do we need to download the new ryzom_installer.exe and do you have an ETA?
A: For the moment it is in test phase, it is already downloadable for testing. The ETA will be defined by the test results.

Q: These words ''import your profile from the old one'' - does this mean that the new configurations (structure or hierarchy) will be somehow different from the current configurations? Why else would you use the word "import" instead of "copy"?
A: Yes, it's different, the new launcher makes the difference between profile (which is a folder with the backups, the .cfg client etc) and shortcuts which are the saved login information to connect quickly. At the first launch, the launcher will import the ryzom_installer settings as profiles AND shortcuts.

Q: I didn't understand the thing about profiles and shortcuts. Is it possible to explain it again? If I have several characters on several accounts, I have several profiles, right?
A: In ryzom, the client can use profiles to store screenshots, character backups and client settings. But several characters can be in the same profile without worries. Having only one profile works very well when you have several accounts. We used to make one profile per account with the ryzom installer. With the new launcher, this is not useful, just make shortcuts. It's simpler and it allows you to have only one folder to save.

Q: Is it for the Linux client as well? Q: All these .exe, it doesn't seem very suitable for mac clients. Is that planned?
A: There will be a launcher for each windows, mac and linux platform, of course. For the moment, only windows and linux are being tested.

Q: Once the new launcher is ready, will we have to re-install the game with it?
A: No, it can be installed instead of the other one without having to uninstall the old one.

Q: Can we also test it? Or is it reserved for developers?
A: No, you can ask Tamarea to be part of the testing team, the more testers there are, the more efficient the tests will be. It's mostly the different linux distributions that need to be tested. There are so many variants that we can't cover all aspects.

End of meeting

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#215 Added by Tykus 4 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting ( January 21st 2021)

Date: monday, January 18 th, 20:30 UTC (21:30 CET)

Meeting places:
  • Atys, on the public channel RF
orDuration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.
Agenda
    New launcher
    Boss refactoring
    Storyline et events
    Recruitment

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#216 Added by Nilstilar 4 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting report – January 18th, 2021

1 - Ryzom Team activity in 2020

Tamarea (RT) – 20:34 UTC
This page of the Ryzom Wiki lists the activities of the Ryzom team in 2020 :https://en.wiki.ryzom.com/wiki/Ryzom_Team_Activity_2020
It remains to be completed but thanks to the members of the Wiki group, who created it.
NB • The link is given for information so that you can read the page… later: the list is a long one!

2 - New launcher and installer

Tamarea & Ulukyn (RT) – 20:39 UTC
Windows, Linux and Mac versions of the new launcher and installer are in test.
We are looking for a maximum of volunteers to test this new launcher with the maximum of Windows, Linux and Mac versions.
The testers will not have to uninstall the game but just connect to Atys via this new launcher and check that the updates are done correctly.
Those who use different profiles on the current launcher will also be able to check that they appear on the new one.
If some of them wish, they can also test the installation of the game via the launcher. Please make sure to back up your data before doing so. If you make a new installation next to the one you usually use, please allow 8 GB of free space.
If you wish to help with these tests, please contact Tamarea on chat.ryzom.com or by email at tamarea@ryzom.com.

Q: At the last RF meeting only testing for Linux and Windows computers was possible… Can testing for Mac computers start now?
A: Yes: the development phase of the Mac launcher was completed just today!

Q: Can you give us a link to download the new launcher?
A: Not here nor now: so that we can solicit feedback from all testers, this link will only be given upon individual request made to Tamarea.

Q: Will the new launcher allow two characters from the same account to connect simultaneously on Atys?
A: No, this is not technically feasible. As today, therefore, the simultaneous connection of several characters will only be possible if they are under different accounts.

Q: Will our guild channels soon benefit, like others, from automatic translation?
A: Most likely, yes. This is one of the requests under examination within the RT.

3 - Implementation of high-definition textures

Tamarea & Ulukyn (RT) – 21:11 UTC
Icons, user interface textures and all Atys maps have been enlarged by IA to get an improved HD version.
This improvement, currently under test, will be added in-game in the next patch.

Q: Will this HD version compensate for the visibility defect found when the value of the local interface parameter (scale) is greater than 1.00?
A: Yes, with these HD textures the tests confirm a very correct visibility for a value of 2.00 and they continue in order to improve the icon texts for intermediate values.

Q: Will the API be updated accordingly?
A: We are working on this update, but it is not without difficulties. However, all the images made available in the API will be in their HD version as soon as the next patch is released.

4 - Boss refactoring

Tamarea & Riasan (RT) – 21:28 UTC
For those who are not familiar with this project, it is detailed in the (FR) document available at this address:https://cloud.ryzom.com/s/Nbfndk8YacDJwBG et qui sera publié sous peu sur le forum.
Latest developments :
- all the new spots of Boss' pop have been added ;
- all new Bosses and the loots they drop have been created and their translations are under testing.

Q: Will the names of the current Bosses be changed?
A: Non. Mais il y en aura de nouveaux !

Q: Will the value of the items collected from the remains of a Boss be related to the level of the latter?
A: Yes, the loot obtained from a low level Boss has less value than that obtained from a high level Boss.

Q: Is another test phase scheduled? And if so, for when?
A: Yes, a test phase on the development server will start soon (there are still some problems with the new loots and we hope to have it finished by the end of this week.

Q: Will a Boss of level N now be able to give up to his executors a loot of higher quality than N?
A: No: a killed Boss still provides a loot of equal quality to his level.

Q: Will there be Boss level lower than 70 and intermediate to the current scale (70 | 120 | 170 | 220 | 270)?
A: No, but the number of Bosses will increase significantly for each level of the recalled scale.

Q: When will these changes take effect in game?
A: As soon as possible, i.e. as soon as conclusive tests are completed... tests whose duration depends on the number of volunteer testers.

Q: Will there be new Bosses accessible for beginner characters (on Silan)?
A: No, the project concerns only the continents and the Prime Roots.

Q: Will there be other "corrupt" Bosses, like Cratchakyo was?
A: No, this is not planned at the moment.

5 - Events

Tamarea & Ulukyn – 22:04 UTC
The live events (scripted ones) resume at the rate of one per week.
Regarding the Storyline, the end of episode 1 is approaching and the beginning of episode 2 is coming soon!

Q: Is it planned to link live events to the Storyline?
A: Yes, a first one will take place soon, by the way.

Q: Will the Storyline prologue (the rumors) be debugged before the launch of its episode 2?
A: Yes, this to allow newcomers to unroll the episodes in order. It will also be improved in its operation to make it easier to play.

6 - Recrutement

Tamarea – 22:19 UTC
We are now focusing on recruiting volunteer testers. We have several additions under test (launcher, Boss refactoring...) and in order for them to come quickly into play, we need more testers.
If you are interested in joining the testing team, contact Tamarea on chat.ryzom.com or by email at tamarea@ryzom.com.

Q Are volunteer testers notified individually of the dates and times of the tests they are asked to run, or do they have to watch for a request to appear on a page listing all of them?
A: No. The dates and times are, if necessary (group testing), determined jointly on the dedicated Ryzom Chat channel where the use of the @all mention allows all testers subscribed to the channel to be notified by email. But individual test requests are simply posted on a scheduling table. The suggestion of individual notification for casual testers will however be carefully considered.

Q: What exactly is expected of a tester?
A: Play an addition or a patch to the game, spot possible bugs in its operation and then tell us about them on the document gathering the feedbacks from the testers. But also, if it is an addition, give us your opinion on it, so that we can improve it before it is put into service on the game server.

Q: When a test is in Waiting column of the scheduling table (KanBoard), is it still possible to complete the feedbacks' pad?
A: When a test is in Waiting, it means that the test object has been handed to the developers for them to fix the bugs reported by the testers. It will be handed over to the testers (put again in column Testing) once the correction completed.

Q: Shouldn't volunteer testers be trained and accompanied, even if only a minimum, when they first join the team?
A: Yes, probably. We are thinking about that.

Q (off-topic): Is the Scenographic Editor scheduled to come back in game?
A (unexpected): Yes, this is the next scheduled development task, by the way.

The meeting is closed at 23:00 UTC.

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#217 Added by Tamarea 4 years ago Multilingual 

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Ryzom Forge meeting (March 15th 2021)


Date: monday, March 15th, 20:30 UTC (21:30 CET)

Meeting places:
  • Atys, on the public forge channel
or
  • Ryzom Chat, channel #pub-forge-xx (exhttps://chat.ryzom.com/channel/pub-forge-en


Duration: 1.5 hour

Participants: all Ryzom players wishing to join.

Nature: informative, questions & answers and feedback meeting.

Topic: Added, in test and ready to be tested projects.
Agenda
    Information about the new launcher
    Feedback on the last patch
    Refugee Days (Easter OOC events)
    News of the volunteer team (Ryzom Team)

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Ryzom Forge meeting report – March 15th, 2021

1 - Information about the new launcher

Ulukyn (RT) – 20:34 UTC
The new launcher/installer having already been presented during the previous Ryzom Forge meetings, I won't dwell on it and I just want to give you here a small state of play and progress about it.
• As far as Windows is concerned, several big annoying bugs have been fixed, but a major one remains. After its correction (and if no other big bug is discovered by then), we will be able, I think, to propose the launcher in beta test to more players.
• As far as Linux is concerned, nothing special to report. But as this OS has a lot of versions, note that the untested ones are probably numerous too.
• As far as macOS is concerned, it is the least tested OS at the moment. So we have called again for testers who use it regularly and if some here want to join the ongoing tests, they are welcome, especially if they use its older versions.
So we are quite close to a release for beta testers (to whom it is recommended to save their data before starting the test... you never know). But we can't specify today the date of this release, since, among other things, the decision to localize or not the interface in the five languages before the beta test is not yet taken.

2 - Feedback on the last patch applied

Tamarea (RT) – 20:48 UTC
What are your feedbacks (opinions and suggestions) on the new features and improvements brought by the patch applied on February 11th (see here for its features)?
For those who can't see the link above, the patch in question was about :
  • Updated textures
  • Marauders Fame
  • Improvements
  • Updates with Integrated auto-translation (DeepL)
  • The Course
  • Marauder gameplay
  • Test OP at the Nexus

Q: Does this patch make it possible to permanently disable in-game machine translation via DeepL?
A: The wiki shows (here and there) the command (available since August 2019) to do this. Namely:
/a setDontTranslateLangs [acronyms of the two languages involved separated by the pipe character]
Example: /a setDontTranslateLangs fr|us disables the automatic translation into american English of sentences sent by a French client.

Q: How do I report new errors made by DeepL to the Ryzom Team?
A: To report translation exceptions to add to DeepL, you can use the RYZOM FORGE forum, thread Translation » DeepL translation exceptions list.

F: Couldn't we avoid that DeepL translates the names of characters appearing in a sentence?

Q: Are the updates and patches automatically downloaded or is there an address where one has to go to download them?
A: Updates and patches are automatically downloaded to your machine the first time you log in after they are applied to the server.

Q: Wouldn't the inability of a character who has just left the Marauders faction to join a guild or have access to teleportation be a consequence of the patch?
A: Probably not, but it can be reported to Support.

Q: Isn't the lack of translation (blank page when clicking on the [Translate] button) of the forum posts a consequence of the patch?
A: No, probably. But, then again, this can be reported to the support team, specifying the involved OS and browser.

3 - Refugee Days (Easter OOC events)

Tamarea (RT) – 21:38 UTC
The OOC events for the Refugee Days (Easter events) will take place from Friday, March 26th to Monday, April 12th.
Details will, as usual, be posted on the forum beforehand.

4 - News of the volunteer team (Ryzom Team)

Tamarea (RT) – 21:39 UTC
First of all, I would like to thank all the volunteers of the Ryzom team who, by giving their time and energy, by bringing their ideas and their dynamism, contribute daily to the life and progress of this game that we all hold dear. THANK YOU!
• As for gameplay, this year the team's goal is to finish the projects underway and implement long promised features, without neglecting the Storyline, which will bring new content. We also plan to rework Silan a bit in order to better guide new players on this tutorial island.
• As for roleplay, we will continue to offer regular events, at the rate of one per week, whether or not related to the Storyline.
• De plus, suite aux retours des testeurs, le mode de fonctionnement de l'équipe de test est en cours de révision avec la mise en place d'une organisation plus structurée et plus simple.
• Lastly, in order to facilitate the work of volunteers, the Devs are creating or updating various internal tools :
    – a tool for CSRs, including a new ticket system;
    – a tool for testers to simplify their task;
    – a tool for translators to facilitate translations and corrections of in-game text;
    – a tool for communication (broadcasts, announcements on the WebIG).
I leave the floor to those who want to react on this subject.

Q: Which projects are underway?
A: This is indeed a point worth developing. Given the time, I'll note it as a topic for the next Ryzom Forge meeting.

The meeting is closed at 22:00 UTC.

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Precision given after the meeting end: The list of current projects is visible on the roadmap (button ''roadmap'' on the WebIG homepage).

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