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#116 Added by Bisugott 5 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting report - 24.06.2019

General Questions:

Q: Wouldn't it be possible that mektoubes use Teleporters?

A: Possible yes, but desirable? No but you can make a post on "Ideas for Ryzom".

Luminatrix

I don't know about meks teleporting, but a service from the stables to transport meks to another stable in the same region for a fee would be interesting.

Q: Would it eventually be possible for NH to other lands for the mektoub? or if not that, then, say, treks to get them there or such like? perhaps to the captial city only.

A: The best part of ryzom is discovering, treks... This, can avoid this, not sure it's a good idea

Xiom

That could be a good Idea, teleport from capital to capital, its frustrating to lose one's materials, time and money when a mektoub dies

Q: in what point could this issue land I do not know, the game is depopulating at high speed, all its "novelty" makes it an attractive the "present" but is there an advertising campaign or other to attract the world?
A: There is a real marketing/advertising approach currently underway, we will also have to rebalance the game to keep the new players

1. Revaluation of the game's missions to expand your fun: link

Azileth

Not practicing missions very often... or not at all, they have the advantage of "framing" the presence in play of "old" people breaking habits, can frustrate... Anyway, in my opinion, regarding missions, they become interesting when a player is high level, if not.. there is little

A: No, the missions are useful at all levels, they are a source of fame and soon for some, UT, so they are not reserved for the "old" ones. No, the missions are useful at all levels, they are a source of fame and soon for some, UT, so they are not reserved for the "old" ones.

Q: A reduction of dapper rewards for NH/Occ OK! But a reward for fidelity to occ wouldnt be bad
A: Our reflection on missions ist vast. Fidelity is one of the criteria to be introducet, its being studied

Q: the dappers reward for NH gift giving has already been reduced by a third, reducing that yet more is i suppose meant: but the occupation loyalty i feel should at least still allow for the two lower grades to be used for NH gift giving. On the other hand: the old way was that higher grades of occu gave higher rewards... a good idea to return to that i think.
A: Yes, but all the other missions have seen the increase in the number of dappers, which allows us to diversify the sources. The purpose of these changes and to allow other missions to have interest, the problem of trade donations to the NH is that players did not have to move up the ranks of the trade to have the dappers and reputations.

Luminatrix

Perhaps players would also be more motivated to do occupations if the products were more useful. There is very little reason to go beyond grade 1 in most. And a lot of occupations are just not worth doing at all.

Sorum

players are missing the extended occupations

A: Yes Sorum, we aware of that, but the extended occupations need a bit coding before back on atys, please be patient :). Basics occupations product may have a use in the extended occupations :)

Azileth

For my part i haven't done missions as i said. For the reason that they're are of an atrocious complexity (occ i mean) and don't really motivate you to start over... water carrier for example, run in circles 3h, super!

A: AH, okay..... No, some occupations are quite simple, such as water carrier for cartographers. What would a simple occupation be without its boring side?

2. Daily Missions

Tykus

Basic Principle:
Every day, you have the opportunity to carry out seven missions in the order of your choice, randomly selected from all the "Task" missions and/or "Occupation product donation" missions.
A filtering option allows you to restrict the select-able missions according to the fames that you do not want to lower or raise.
You also have the option of completing only certain types of missions, but de-selecting missions may have an impact on your final gain.
You can abandon a mission at any time if you do not want to do it or do it later. However, this one is not replaced by another and will remain in the list of missions proposed for today.
[p]For the moment, Prime Roots missions are not available (who said "fiuuu!"?)

Q: Missions have to be done within 24h or so in a day from 8am to 8am the next day for example?
A:Yes it's the server time that will be the reference a priori, but you'll have some every days: )[/p]

Q: Will there be daily missions for marauders too? and 2. Are these random, already existing missions? or new ones made specifically for daily sets?
A: Yes, its intended :) ... these are existing missions, but you will be able to filter the missions that will be proposed to you, this includes the occs too :)

Tykus

Note Selecting only one type of mission will reduce the reward.
Four filtering options are available:
- Filtering of the area in which to perform each type of mission:
Select here the level of the area (50 --> 250) in which you want to perform each type of mission (craft, forage, combat, exploration). If you choose the "None" option, then no mission of this kind wil be offered to you

- Filtering of fame that should not decrease:
Here, you have the option to apply a filter to remove from the list those missions that would cause you to lose some of your fame.
Thus, a Ranger should check all the boxes in the "Fame that you do not want to decrease" line.

- Filtering of fame that should not increase:

Here, you have an option to apply filter to remove from the list those missions that would cause you or win some fame.
Thus, a Marauder should check all the boxes in the "Fame that you do not want to increase" line.

- Filtering of occupations:
Filter here which occupations can be offered to you. If you choose all of them, a maximum of four occupation missions can be randomly selected. Choosing all occupations considerably increases the reward

Note: Occupation missions do not require that you have the occupation active but only occupation products to give, including those obtained by exchange or purchase.

Tykus

A screen of the interface

3. New Marauder Map

Tykus

The graphics for the maps are done. We are currently adding vegetation in all new zone.

First, the entire marauding camp will be moved to a large area of the new map but not to the city, as the area that will host it will first have to be cleaned by the marauding PJs. Only then will the marauding NPCs reach their final location in the city area...

Moniq

Q: When is the new map planned to be added on Atys?
A: I don't know yet but I hope soon :)

Q: Why are there so many things for marauders? Its something i don't understand..
A: So, I wouldn't say "so many things", the marauding gameplay was introduced a while ago, we have to finish it cleanly, it's still incomplete, hence the regular additions for this faction.

Luminatrix

I think marauders are getting many things because we don't have a good 40% of the features other factions do yet...

Q: which level will the mobs have on this new island ?
A: I think it will be the same level as nexus

Q: Will this new Island be a PvP area like nexus?
A: I think so yes, nothing is fixed yet, but make sense :)

Azileth

I do not really know how the marauding faction works, but the only thing I see are the teleporters ... which are super well placed ..

Alee: Precisely, thats the reason we're getting content, because all we have as a faction is our teleports ;)[/quote]

[quote=Aleeskandaro] As you know, there were some issues inside marauder faction a while ago. Issues around abuse of PvP tag and CoC misinterpretation. As such, if new area will be 100% PvP (Which would be nice), i would kindly request the PvP section of CoC be clarified and 100% explicit about: Definition of Chain-kill and whether Chain Kill is permitted or not, with the corresponding consequences... it needs to be explicit in the CoC [/quote]

A: chainkill, never be permited... even on marauders... I will, Alees :)

Tykus

CoC is the general rules, but it also uses logic, assuming its tag, yes, but getting killed in a loop just for revenge doesn't make sense (even if the gameplay allows it). But we will try to clarify yes :)

Spieko

I as a marauder really dont like our city to be a pvp zone, because there is gonna be so much abuse by certain people

Luminatrix

I agree with Spieko, I would also prefer our city not to be a PvP zone. None of the other capitals are, either. It makes no sense.

4. Recruitment

Tykus

Translation team recruits volunteers!
To translate / proofread into Spanish
To translate / proofread into Russian
To translate / proofread into German

Support team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain

Event team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain

In particular, we need American animators in order to be able to play roleplay events in US time slots.

If you are interested please send a mail to tamarea@ryzom.com

As Moniq use to say: we need testers too, in this case just send a Dm to tamarea on rocket: https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Tamarea

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#117 Added by Yaandor 5 years ago [fr]

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You posted a refernce link to cloud.ryzom.com ; however I can't log into it. Is this something that players can look at or is it developers only?

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Atys is a stern and determined teacher; willing to repeat the same lesson as often as necessary.

#118 Added by Moniq 5 years ago [en]

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((@Aleeskandaro please fix tags in the post, also it is missing FR version))

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#119 Added by Yaandor 5 years ago [fr]

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Yaandor

You posted a refernce link to cloud.ryzom.com ; however I can't log into it. Is this something that players can look at or is it developers only?

And now the link is apparently gone from the post. So much for my question I guess...

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Yaandor | Cult of Dgambi | He who walks alone
Atys is a stern and determined teacher; willing to repeat the same lesson as often as necessary.

#120 Added by Ulukyn 5 years ago [fr]

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Cloud.ryzom.com is our cloud (make sense xD) for projects like the Marauder City and the link are the Etherpad document with the todo list about it.
Just that :)

About Marauder zone, it's a project we will finish, and a good try to create a new complete zone.
So, it's for marauder but with goal to be able to add content for all players in a future.

I hope have time this summer to add more HOWTO videos about how create a map and other stuff for who want see more about our work ;)

#121 Added by Gidget 5 years ago [en]

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As one who is chronically left out of these meetings because they occur around mid-day when I am either working or (on weekends) doing the errands I cannot do on other days, I just wanted to put my two dappers worth in here.

Normally, I would be opposed to teleporting meks. However, there is one thing that makes me conditionally favor it; the unique issues of getting a mek to/from Lakes, whether through Fount/BB/ToT or Loria/HH. Going between Desert and either Jungle or Forest is simpler, easier, and quicker than entering/leaving Lakes. Then again, I hesitate to make any suggestions because I know for a fact that some folks are all for doing away with any and all inter-regional transportation systems other than running and mekback, so I expect anything that eliminates the need for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong trek, even for those who made the trip so many times that they address each pebble, grass blade, and sand grain along the way by name, will meet with the sort of opposition that I just don't feel like fighting :/

I wholeheartedly agree with Luminatrix on occupation products . Most folks I know have absolutely no incentive whatsoever to do occupations at at all since the removal of faction point rewards for them. A few may use the q60/q70 scrolls, and I know a smaller handful that use Larvester produce, but I can count on one hand the number of people I have met who have ever had any use for any of the other products aside from "selling" them for faction points. Even then, the only ones who went past Grade 2 were Scrollmakers, completionists, and the truly bored. Whether they are actually useful items is irrelevant; the simple fact is that not many use them, period. I doubt the occupation-related sections of the Daily Missions will really change that either. Accordingly, I am of the opinion that unless occupation products get an overhaul or the Daily Mission rewards are stupendous, occupation-related missions and NH turn-ins can be placed on the back burner. There is no sense fixing something that will see less use than the Prospector missions.

If I'm reading the Daily Missions right about using the server time as the reference point, just bear in mind that East coast Americans/Canadians will have UTC cross that midnight line to a new day in the middle of their prime time. That may cause unintended consequences, so choose the daily mission timer offset wisely ;)

And lastly, congratulations to all the Marauders out there for this major step forward!

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#122 Added by Namcha 5 years ago [en]

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Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

Daily mission will use server time but the change won't be midnight UTC. More something like morning in Europe. It is yet to define.

#123 Added by Aleeskandaro 5 years ago [en]

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@Moniq french version is up now. I can't seem to fix the format though, each edid causes more and more problems so I'll leave it for some more expert hands :)

Yaandor

You posted a refernce link to cloud.ryzom.com ; however I can't log into it. Is this something that players can look at or is it developers only?
And now the link is apparently gone from the post. So much for my question I guess...

The link was posted during meeting, not sure who can access it and who can't :)

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#124 Added by Yaandor 5 years ago [en]

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Namcha

Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

I always assumed something like that for the Kami (I assumed that the Karavan used their ships and didn't want to get them full of mek poop).

I used to think that NH worked similar to the Kama. However, after the last set of patches, the NH folks specifically tell me that they are preparing a mount for me. Then, I get a cut scene display showing a toon on a mount with *gasp* a packer following it and *double.gasp* other toons on foot. The take away from all of that is that NH is NOT using some magical means of teleporting me around.

So what is the RP reason that NH won't let my own mount and packers tag alone? Are they just mean spirited? Don't they like their fellow Homins? I'd be perfectly willing to pay extra to move my packers between Windermeer and Avendale.

I tend ot think of NH as the local inter-city bus line and the Kami/Kara as the cross- country train. It makes sense to me that NH doesn't transport between nations; it's far to dangerous and can't be done without encountering deadly kitins. The current routes within nations (at least for Lakes - I've never been anywhere else) can be traveled in perfect safety.

The way things work currently, letting NH transport a players mount and packers would make perfect sense and fit within any kind of RP definition.

Just my thoughts.

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Yaandor | Cult of Dgambi | He who walks alone
Atys is a stern and determined teacher; willing to repeat the same lesson as often as necessary.

#125 Added by Gidget 5 years ago [en]

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Namcha

Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

Daily mission will use server time but the change won't be midnight UTC. More something like morning in Europe. It is yet to define.

That's a hard argument to sell to an atheist ;)

If it helps pick a time, remember that those of us in the Pacific time zone (West coast Americans) get our nightly Please Wait storm around 19:45-ish; about mid-evening. Those in the Midwest get it a little later, but still during peak time.

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#126 Added by Namcha 5 years ago [en]

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@yaandor : I think you better ask this in a new topic, like ideas section.

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#127 Added by Moniq 5 years ago Multilingual

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Compte rendu de la réunion de Ryzom Forge - 8. 7. 2019

Tamarea 19:37

Voici l'ordre du jour :
1 - Missions classiques, métiers et NH
2 - Gameplay maraudeur
3 - Rite ranger
4 - Recrutement

1 - Missions classiques, métiers et NH

Tamarea, 19:39 UTC:

Lors du patch JY2603, nous avons débuté la mise en jeu d'un projet visant à (re)mettre en valeur les quelques 11 000 missions du jeu ( https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/29797/1 ).
Toutefois , il s'est avéré que par excès d'enthousiasme, nous sommes allés un peu trop vite et avons retiré un peu trop tôt les récompenses liées à l'ancienne version de NH, avant d'avoir correctement revalorisé et équilibré les missions et les métiers.

Par conséquent, nous avons décidé de remettre temporairement en jeu l'ancienne version de NH, ce qui permettra :
de ne plus pénaliser les joueurs à cause d'une mise en jeu de la nouvelle version de NH faite avant que les missions et métiers ne soient revalorisés et équilibrés
de nous laisser le temps de revaloriser et d'équilibrer correctement les missions classiques et les métiers.

Ensuite nous remettrons en place la version actuelle de NH.
Riasan (dev) travaille cette semaine à recoder l'ancienne version de NH et elle sera mise en test ce week-end.

Q: En quoi les récompense de NH étaient sous-évaluées ? NH a pour role le transport, pas de monter ses points de nations !
A: Ce sont les récompenses des missions classiques qui sont sous-évaluées.

Lumae 19:49 UTC:

Je ne sais pas si ma question est pertinente vis à vis des modifications des missions, mais il me semble que lors de la fusion une des idées était de réhabiliter l'économie, à savoir un dapper avec une valeur, j'ai le sentiment qu'on revient aux matières premières comme moyen d’échange à Ryzom. Que je lie aux missions, entre autres fonctionnalités.

Shylai 19:49 UTC:

Il faut remettre les points de nation, on en a besoin pour acheter les cristaux. Sans cristaux y'a pas de pex
ou alors il faut compenser les points de nation.

Sinvaders 19:50 UTC:

Ne pas pouvoir pex sans cristaux, c'est un autre problème que celui de l'économie.

Shylai 19:50 UTC:

Non c'est juste une facilité pas une fin en soi .

Lumae 19:50 UTC:

il me semble que les missions génèrent trop de dappers // pas assez bas level, trop haut level .

Tykus 19:52 UTC:

En fait pour être précis, ce n'est pas tant les dappers que le NH rapportait mais surtout les points de nation, nécessaires pour acheter des cristaux ou des MP génériques , nous avons entrepris une revalorisation des missions d'Atys et NH en fait partie, mais tant qu'on n'a pas achevé le rééquilibrage, les points de nation de NH manquent au joueurs. :)

Rizyinshi 19:58 UTC:

Peut-être les points de nation pourraient-ils être donnés à nouveau mais pas la renommée ?

Shylai 20:02 UTC:

je parle pour la mécanique du jeu pas pour moi.

Sinvaders 20:03 UTC:

@Shylai, mécanisme de jeu pas mécanisme de RP.

Bubbason 20:05 UTC:

Tykus 19:52 UTC:
En fait pour être précis, ce n'est pas tant les dappers que le NH rapportait mais surtout les points de nation, nécessaire pour acheter des cristaux ou des mp générique, nous avons entrepris une revalorisation des missions d'Atys et le NH en fait parti, mais tant qu'(on a pas achever le rééquilibrage, les point de nation des NH manquent au joueurs :)
Je ne suis pas d'accord.

Tamarea 20:09 UTC:

Je rappelle que le retour de l'ancienne version de NH n'est que provisoire ! Dès que les missions et métiers seront revalorisés et équilibrés, nous remettrons la version actuelle de NH en jeu.

Rissa 20:11 UTC:

La récompense en points de nation et ou dappers devrait surtout prendre en compte le temps passé, la renommée obtenue uniquement par les missions classiques .

Tamarea 20:18 UTC:

Une autre réaction avant de passer au sujet suivant ?
Une annonce officielle à propos de ce premier sujet sera faite dans quelques jours.

Bubbason 20:48 UTC:

S'agissant du sujet NH et d'un commentaire affirmant que le principal intérêt de l'ancien fonctionnement résidait dans les points de nation, je m'inscris en faux, au moins en partie.
En fait, les joueurs préféraient l'ancien fonctionnement parce que, après 30 minutes à exercer leur métier pour gagner des points et des dappers, ils pouvaient jouir d'Atys comme ils l'entendaient. Ainsi, l'ancien fonctionnement respectait la liberté de chacun.

Q: Votre proposition de revenir temporairement à l'ancien fonctionnement, très bien. Mais il faudra veiller à ce qu'au rétablissement du fonctionnement actuel nous ne subissions pas le même désastre que lors du Patch2603.
A: Nous allons procéder en plusieurs étapes :
1 - remettre l'ancienne version de NH ;
2 - revaloriser et équilibrer les missions, vous laisser les tester en jeu et nous faire vos retours ;
3 - revaloriser et équilibrer les métiers (peut-être en remettant les métiers avancés), vous laisser les tester en jeu et nous faire vos retours ;
4 - remettre la version actuelle de NH une fois que les points 2 et 3 seront terminés.

Q: Donc, vous proposez de rétablir l'ancien système de NH pendant que vous rééquilibrerez les missions en permettant aux joueurs de tester ces dernières, avant de supprimer de nouveau l'ancien système NH ?
A: Oui.

Triplex 21:03 UTC:

S'il y a des missions utilisant les métiers, le point 4 est superflu. Car personne ne l'utilisera s'il en existe un meilleur que le système NH actuel. Ainsi, s'il y a des missions utilisant les métiers, NH doit utiliser un nouveau système ou disparaître.

Fyrosfreddy 21:04 UTC:

Si je peux me permettre, je pense que le point 4 signifie une version modifiée dans laquelle vous ne pouvez pas obtenir une renommée de 50 en quelques heures.

Bubbason 21:04 UTC:

Hm, je ne vois pas comment cela va fonctionner parce que la plupart du temps, il semble que les joueurs ont préféré les récompenses de NH + la liberté de choix que cela leur donne. Les missions rééquilibrées prennent trop de temps.

Tryroamer 21:09 UTC:

Suggestion : lorsque tout aura été rééquilibré et testé et jugé correct, alors les produits des métiers pourraient se voir attribuer une nouvelle valeur pour la réalisation d'autres objectifs.
Peut-être ces missions mettant en jeu les métiers font elles déjà ça ? Si c'est le cas les problèmes qui nous inquiètent ici n'ont pas lieu de le faire.

Triplex 21:11 UTC:

Hmm je pense que la traduction ne fonctionne pas correctement, mais oui, le NH ne doit pas sortir "il mourra, car personne ne l'utilisera avec l'état actuel.
L'ancien statut vous oblige à le porter lorsque la limite est atteinte pour que vous puissiez abonner.
Le nouveau système apporte un mauvais rendement. Les deux ne sont pas des systèmes équilibrés.

Tykus 21:16 UTC:

Je vais essayer de répondre à tout le monde.
Oui, c'est pour cela que lorsque nous avons recodé le NH, nous avons fait le changement, mais c'était un cas d'urgence, recoder le NH comme il était prenait plus de temps que recoder sans récompenses.
Mais faire ainsi a créé un trou dans les récompenses pour les joueurs.
Le système reste très sensible est était souvent bloqué et pas très accessible aux CSR pour savoir qui avait donné quoi.

Triplex 21:20 UTC:

L'ancien système sans plafond de 3000 et un peu moins de récompense, alors tout le monde a le libre choix, n'est pas limité en permanence si 3-4 personnes donnent en même temps et obtiennent toujours une récompense utilisable.

Tamarea 21:23 UTC:

Triplex: Je vous encourage à rejoindre l'équipe dev pour aider!

Tykus 21:26 UTC:

Pour Freddy: il y a beaucoup de façons d’augmenter ta notoriété jusqu’à 50, NH était si facile, il a été utilisé au détriment de toutes les missions consacrées à la renommée. :p

2 - Gameplay maraudeur

Tamarea 20:18 UTC:

La nouvelle région maraudeure en création se trouvera près du Nexus et sera reliée à celui-ci par un vortex.
Le groupe de travail est en train d'ajouter de la végétation sur cette nouvelle zone, qui est vide par défaut.
Remarque importante : cette nouvelle carte est la première que nous créons de toutes pièces, ce qui est très prometteur pour la suite !
Nous avons donc réussi à atteindre l'étape ultime rêvée lors de la création de Ryzom Forge : "La dernière étape, nommée projet New Zone, consistera en la création d'une nouvelle zone de jeu."

Lumae 20:23 UTC:

Juste un mot : félicitation pour ce travail!

Q: L'outil en question permettant de faire des zones sera disponible quand ? Pour tester, proposer des zones. etc....
A: Pour le moment, la création se fait manuellement. Il est prévu d'écrire un manuel expliquant comment.

Bastien 20:30 UTC:

ok si besoin je suis prêt à aider (si je suis pas trop bête a comprendre :-) )
et félicitations bien sûr !

3 - Rite ranger

Tamarea 20:33 UTC

Il a été corrigé et est de nouveau opérationnel.

Tryroamer 20:34 UTC:

Se levant pour s'adresser à tous : Je suis ravi d'apprendre que le Rite Ranger a été réparé est qu'il est opérationnel à nouveau.
À qui doit-on (Trytrytry, par exemple) s'adresser pour le suivre, je vous prie?

Kiwalie 20:37 UTC:

Merci à toute l'équipe pour le rite :)

Q: Pourquoi, bien qu'ayant levé la main, ma question est-elle ignorée ?
A: (non répondu)

Bubbason 20:38 UTC

Mais, puisque vous avez commencé une autre discussion, vous pouvez aussi bien continuer :--)

Tamarea 21:25 UTC:

L'heure tourne et il est temps de passer au dernier sujet. Nous reviendrons sur celui-ci lors de la prochaine réunion. De plus, une annonce officielle sera faite, donc vous pourrez aussi réagir sur le forum.

4 - Recruitment

Tamarea 21:25 UTC:

L'équipe de traduction recrute des bénévoles !
Traduire / relire en espagnol
Traduire / relire en russe
Traduire / relire en allemand

L'équipe de support recrute des bénévoles !
D'Amérique du Nord
D'Amérique du Sud (parlant espagnol et anglais)
D'Australie
D'Espagne

L'équipe d'animation recrute des bénévoles !
D'Amérique du Nord
D'Amérique du Sud (parlant espagnol et anglais)
D'Australie
D'Espagne
Nous avons notamment besoin d'animateurs américains afin de pouvoir jouer des events roleplay sur les créneaux horaires US.
Pour toute question ou candidature, veuillez envoyer un email à tamarea@ryzom.com