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#113 Added by Moniq 5 years ago [en]

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Revvy

@Moniq: Can you tell us how many testers did you see on pads in the last 2 months please?

Let's see how much the "community" is involved.

That depends on a test (and the number will tell you nothing about test quality). I am also too lazy to search how long and when tests started so I give you numbers for 3 groups of tests:

Last 6 finished: average 4.3 testers (many miss mac os testing)
Final 4 ongoing tests (Gingo server): average 1.8 testers (all miss mac os testing)
More or less recent 5 minor fixes on Atys (must be tested on Atys): 0.6/1.0 testers (just me and I have no resources to do those two remaining tests as much as I would like so I consider my testing to be not completed in two cases)

I did not include Kitin invasions testing (which runs for several months and was tested with bigger groups, thus I have no specific names - only 2 reports but it was about 10 testers at least during all the testing).

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#114 Added by Sinvaders 5 years ago [en]

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Laoviel

Is X nerf too strong?
Does this affect many people's playstyle?
Does this affect daily activities for many players?
If the backlash is strong, do we have a plan? Do we rollback?
Are the prepared PR statements sufficiently satisfying and detailed? (yes, PR releases can be a testing artifact, in a sense)

To me, those points should be studied before starting the development of the features... in a timeline ... earlier than testing.

#115 Added by Gidget 5 years ago [en]

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Sinvaders

To me, those points should be studied before starting the development of the features... in a timeline ... earlier than testing.

Totally agreed! Of course, it's one of those things best done with multiple (preferably diverse) views so as to mitigate/avoid bias-induced blind spots. But yes, some discussion before spending time coding and debugging would save a lot of hassles.

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#116 Added by Bisugott 5 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting report - 24.06.2019

General Questions:

Q: Wouldn't it be possible that mektoubes use Teleporters?

A: Possible yes, but desirable? No but you can make a post on "Ideas for Ryzom".

Luminatrix

I don't know about meks teleporting, but a service from the stables to transport meks to another stable in the same region for a fee would be interesting.

Q: Would it eventually be possible for NH to other lands for the mektoub? or if not that, then, say, treks to get them there or such like? perhaps to the captial city only.

A: The best part of ryzom is discovering, treks... This, can avoid this, not sure it's a good idea

Xiom

That could be a good Idea, teleport from capital to capital, its frustrating to lose one's materials, time and money when a mektoub dies

Q: in what point could this issue land I do not know, the game is depopulating at high speed, all its "novelty" makes it an attractive the "present" but is there an advertising campaign or other to attract the world?
A: There is a real marketing/advertising approach currently underway, we will also have to rebalance the game to keep the new players

1. Revaluation of the game's missions to expand your fun: link

Azileth

Not practicing missions very often... or not at all, they have the advantage of "framing" the presence in play of "old" people breaking habits, can frustrate... Anyway, in my opinion, regarding missions, they become interesting when a player is high level, if not.. there is little

A: No, the missions are useful at all levels, they are a source of fame and soon for some, UT, so they are not reserved for the "old" ones. No, the missions are useful at all levels, they are a source of fame and soon for some, UT, so they are not reserved for the "old" ones.

Q: A reduction of dapper rewards for NH/Occ OK! But a reward for fidelity to occ wouldnt be bad
A: Our reflection on missions ist vast. Fidelity is one of the criteria to be introducet, its being studied

Q: the dappers reward for NH gift giving has already been reduced by a third, reducing that yet more is i suppose meant: but the occupation loyalty i feel should at least still allow for the two lower grades to be used for NH gift giving. On the other hand: the old way was that higher grades of occu gave higher rewards... a good idea to return to that i think.
A: Yes, but all the other missions have seen the increase in the number of dappers, which allows us to diversify the sources. The purpose of these changes and to allow other missions to have interest, the problem of trade donations to the NH is that players did not have to move up the ranks of the trade to have the dappers and reputations.

Luminatrix

Perhaps players would also be more motivated to do occupations if the products were more useful. There is very little reason to go beyond grade 1 in most. And a lot of occupations are just not worth doing at all.

Sorum

players are missing the extended occupations

A: Yes Sorum, we aware of that, but the extended occupations need a bit coding before back on atys, please be patient :). Basics occupations product may have a use in the extended occupations :)

Azileth

For my part i haven't done missions as i said. For the reason that they're are of an atrocious complexity (occ i mean) and don't really motivate you to start over... water carrier for example, run in circles 3h, super!

A: AH, okay..... No, some occupations are quite simple, such as water carrier for cartographers. What would a simple occupation be without its boring side?

2. Daily Missions

Tykus

Basic Principle:
Every day, you have the opportunity to carry out seven missions in the order of your choice, randomly selected from all the "Task" missions and/or "Occupation product donation" missions.
A filtering option allows you to restrict the select-able missions according to the fames that you do not want to lower or raise.
You also have the option of completing only certain types of missions, but de-selecting missions may have an impact on your final gain.
You can abandon a mission at any time if you do not want to do it or do it later. However, this one is not replaced by another and will remain in the list of missions proposed for today.
[p]For the moment, Prime Roots missions are not available (who said "fiuuu!"?)

Q: Missions have to be done within 24h or so in a day from 8am to 8am the next day for example?
A:Yes it's the server time that will be the reference a priori, but you'll have some every days: )[/p]

Q: Will there be daily missions for marauders too? and 2. Are these random, already existing missions? or new ones made specifically for daily sets?
A: Yes, its intended :) ... these are existing missions, but you will be able to filter the missions that will be proposed to you, this includes the occs too :)

Tykus

Note Selecting only one type of mission will reduce the reward.
Four filtering options are available:
- Filtering of the area in which to perform each type of mission:
Select here the level of the area (50 --> 250) in which you want to perform each type of mission (craft, forage, combat, exploration). If you choose the "None" option, then no mission of this kind wil be offered to you

- Filtering of fame that should not decrease:
Here, you have the option to apply a filter to remove from the list those missions that would cause you to lose some of your fame.
Thus, a Ranger should check all the boxes in the "Fame that you do not want to decrease" line.

- Filtering of fame that should not increase:

Here, you have an option to apply filter to remove from the list those missions that would cause you or win some fame.
Thus, a Marauder should check all the boxes in the "Fame that you do not want to increase" line.

- Filtering of occupations:
Filter here which occupations can be offered to you. If you choose all of them, a maximum of four occupation missions can be randomly selected. Choosing all occupations considerably increases the reward

Note: Occupation missions do not require that you have the occupation active but only occupation products to give, including those obtained by exchange or purchase.

Tykus

A screen of the interface

3. New Marauder Map

Tykus

The graphics for the maps are done. We are currently adding vegetation in all new zone.

First, the entire marauding camp will be moved to a large area of the new map but not to the city, as the area that will host it will first have to be cleaned by the marauding PJs. Only then will the marauding NPCs reach their final location in the city area...

Moniq

Q: When is the new map planned to be added on Atys?
A: I don't know yet but I hope soon :)

Q: Why are there so many things for marauders? Its something i don't understand..
A: So, I wouldn't say "so many things", the marauding gameplay was introduced a while ago, we have to finish it cleanly, it's still incomplete, hence the regular additions for this faction.

Luminatrix

I think marauders are getting many things because we don't have a good 40% of the features other factions do yet...

Q: which level will the mobs have on this new island ?
A: I think it will be the same level as nexus

Q: Will this new Island be a PvP area like nexus?
A: I think so yes, nothing is fixed yet, but make sense :)

Azileth

I do not really know how the marauding faction works, but the only thing I see are the teleporters ... which are super well placed ..

Alee: Precisely, thats the reason we're getting content, because all we have as a faction is our teleports ;)[/quote]

[quote=Aleeskandaro] As you know, there were some issues inside marauder faction a while ago. Issues around abuse of PvP tag and CoC misinterpretation. As such, if new area will be 100% PvP (Which would be nice), i would kindly request the PvP section of CoC be clarified and 100% explicit about: Definition of Chain-kill and whether Chain Kill is permitted or not, with the corresponding consequences... it needs to be explicit in the CoC [/quote]

A: chainkill, never be permited... even on marauders... I will, Alees :)

Tykus

CoC is the general rules, but it also uses logic, assuming its tag, yes, but getting killed in a loop just for revenge doesn't make sense (even if the gameplay allows it). But we will try to clarify yes :)

Spieko

I as a marauder really dont like our city to be a pvp zone, because there is gonna be so much abuse by certain people

Luminatrix

I agree with Spieko, I would also prefer our city not to be a PvP zone. None of the other capitals are, either. It makes no sense.

4. Recruitment

Tykus

Translation team recruits volunteers!
To translate / proofread into Spanish
To translate / proofread into Russian
To translate / proofread into German

Support team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain

Event team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain

In particular, we need American animators in order to be able to play roleplay events in US time slots.

If you are interested please send a mail to tamarea@ryzom.com

As Moniq use to say: we need testers too, in this case just send a Dm to tamarea on rocket: https://chat.ryzom.com/direct/Tamarea

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#117 Added by Yaandor 5 years ago [fr]

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You posted a refernce link to cloud.ryzom.com ; however I can't log into it. Is this something that players can look at or is it developers only?

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#118 Added by Moniq 5 years ago [en]

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((@Aleeskandaro please fix tags in the post, also it is missing FR version))

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#119 Added by Yaandor 5 years ago [fr]

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Yaandor

You posted a refernce link to cloud.ryzom.com ; however I can't log into it. Is this something that players can look at or is it developers only?

And now the link is apparently gone from the post. So much for my question I guess...

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Atys is a stern and determined teacher; willing to repeat the same lesson as often as necessary.

#120 Added by Ulukyn 5 years ago [fr]

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Cloud.ryzom.com is our cloud (make sense xD) for projects like the Marauder City and the link are the Etherpad document with the todo list about it.
Just that :)

About Marauder zone, it's a project we will finish, and a good try to create a new complete zone.
So, it's for marauder but with goal to be able to add content for all players in a future.

I hope have time this summer to add more HOWTO videos about how create a map and other stuff for who want see more about our work ;)

#121 Added by Gidget 5 years ago [en]

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As one who is chronically left out of these meetings because they occur around mid-day when I am either working or (on weekends) doing the errands I cannot do on other days, I just wanted to put my two dappers worth in here.

Normally, I would be opposed to teleporting meks. However, there is one thing that makes me conditionally favor it; the unique issues of getting a mek to/from Lakes, whether through Fount/BB/ToT or Loria/HH. Going between Desert and either Jungle or Forest is simpler, easier, and quicker than entering/leaving Lakes. Then again, I hesitate to make any suggestions because I know for a fact that some folks are all for doing away with any and all inter-regional transportation systems other than running and mekback, so I expect anything that eliminates the need for a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong trek, even for those who made the trip so many times that they address each pebble, grass blade, and sand grain along the way by name, will meet with the sort of opposition that I just don't feel like fighting :/

I wholeheartedly agree with Luminatrix on occupation products . Most folks I know have absolutely no incentive whatsoever to do occupations at at all since the removal of faction point rewards for them. A few may use the q60/q70 scrolls, and I know a smaller handful that use Larvester produce, but I can count on one hand the number of people I have met who have ever had any use for any of the other products aside from "selling" them for faction points. Even then, the only ones who went past Grade 2 were Scrollmakers, completionists, and the truly bored. Whether they are actually useful items is irrelevant; the simple fact is that not many use them, period. I doubt the occupation-related sections of the Daily Missions will really change that either. Accordingly, I am of the opinion that unless occupation products get an overhaul or the Daily Mission rewards are stupendous, occupation-related missions and NH turn-ins can be placed on the back burner. There is no sense fixing something that will see less use than the Prospector missions.

If I'm reading the Daily Missions right about using the server time as the reference point, just bear in mind that East coast Americans/Canadians will have UTC cross that midnight line to a new day in the middle of their prime time. That may cause unintended consequences, so choose the daily mission timer offset wisely ;)

And lastly, congratulations to all the Marauders out there for this major step forward!

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#122 Added by Namcha 5 years ago [en]

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Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

Daily mission will use server time but the change won't be midnight UTC. More something like morning in Europe. It is yet to define.

#123 Added by Aleeskandaro 5 years ago [en]

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@Moniq french version is up now. I can't seem to fix the format though, each edid causes more and more problems so I'll leave it for some more expert hands :)

Yaandor

You posted a refernce link to cloud.ryzom.com ; however I can't log into it. Is this something that players can look at or is it developers only?
And now the link is apparently gone from the post. So much for my question I guess...

The link was posted during meeting, not sure who can access it and who can't :)

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#124 Added by Yaandor 5 years ago [en]

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Namcha

Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

I always assumed something like that for the Kami (I assumed that the Karavan used their ships and didn't want to get them full of mek poop).

I used to think that NH worked similar to the Kama. However, after the last set of patches, the NH folks specifically tell me that they are preparing a mount for me. Then, I get a cut scene display showing a toon on a mount with *gasp* a packer following it and *double.gasp* other toons on foot. The take away from all of that is that NH is NOT using some magical means of teleporting me around.

So what is the RP reason that NH won't let my own mount and packers tag alone? Are they just mean spirited? Don't they like their fellow Homins? I'd be perfectly willing to pay extra to move my packers between Windermeer and Avendale.

I tend ot think of NH as the local inter-city bus line and the Kami/Kara as the cross- country train. It makes sense to me that NH doesn't transport between nations; it's far to dangerous and can't be done without encountering deadly kitins. The current routes within nations (at least for Lakes - I've never been anywhere else) can be traveled in perfect safety.

The way things work currently, letting NH transport a players mount and packers would make perfect sense and fit within any kind of RP definition.

Just my thoughts.

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#125 Added by Gidget 5 years ago [en]

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Namcha

Teleportation technology is based on the seed of life, and mektoubs don't have one.

Daily mission will use server time but the change won't be midnight UTC. More something like morning in Europe. It is yet to define.

That's a hard argument to sell to an atheist ;)

If it helps pick a time, remember that those of us in the Pacific time zone (West coast Americans) get our nightly Please Wait storm around 19:45-ish; about mid-evening. Those in the Midwest get it a little later, but still during peak time.

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#126 Added by Namcha 5 years ago [en]

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@yaandor : I think you better ask this in a new topic, like ideas section.

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#127 Added by Moniq 5 years ago Multilingual

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Ryzom Forge meeting report - 8. 7. 2019

Tamarea 19:37

Here is the agenda:
1 - Classical missions, occupations and NH
2 - Marauder gameplay
3 - Ranger rite
4 - Recruitment

1 - Classical missions, occupations and NH

Tamarea, 19:39 UTC:

During the JY2603 patch, we started the implementation of a project to (re)highlight the game's 11,000 missions ( https://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/29797/1 ).
However, it turned out that through overenthusiasm, we went a little too fast and withdrew the rewards of the old NH version a little too early, before we had properly upgraded and balanced the missions and occupations.

As a result, we have decided to bring the old version of NH back into play *temporarily*, which will allow us to:
no longer penalize players because of a release of the new version of NH made before missions and occupations are revalued and balanced
to give us time to revalue and properly balance the traditional missions and occupations.

Then we will put back in place the current version of NH.
Riasan (dev) is working this week to recode the old version of NH and it will be tested this weekend.

Q: In what way NH rewards were undervalued? The role of NH is transport, note providing of nation points.
A: It is the rewards of classical missions that are undervalued.

Lumae 19:49 UTC:

Don't know if my question is relevant for missions modifications, but it seems to me that when the merge occurred, the idea was to boost economy again. Namely give to dappers a value. It seems we come back to MP as means of exchange in Ryzom. That I link to missions, among other features.

Shylai 19:49 UTC:

Nation points have to be given again. Because no points means no crystals, and no crystals means no pex.
Or the loss of nation points from NH have to be replaced by some counterpart.

Sinvaders 19:50 UTC:

To be unable to pex without crystals is an other issue than that of economy.

Shylai 19:50 UTC:

No. Thats just a commodity, not a goal per se.

Lumae 19:50 UTC:

It seems to me missions give too much dappers (not enough at low level, too much at high level).

Tykus 19:52 UTC:

To be precise, the most valuable advantage of NH was nation points, not dappers, useful to buy crystals or generic materials. We take on an enhancement of Atys missions which NH is part of. But as long as rebalancing is not completed, players miss nation points badly.

Rizyinshi 19:58 UTC:

maybe reward points could be given as it doesn't effect nation fame anymore

Shylai 20:02 UTC:

i'm talking about individual rp mechanism (without reroll) not for me

Sinvaders 20:03 UTC:

@Shylai, gameplay mechanism not rp mechanism :)

Bubbason 20:05 UTC:

Tykus 19:52 UTC:
To be precise, the most valuable advantage of NH was nation points, not dappers, useful to buy crystals or generic materials. We take on an enhancement of Atys missions which NH is part of. But as long as rebalancing is not completed, palayers miss nation points badly.
I disagree

Tamarea 20:09 UTC:

I remind that the move back to the old version of NH is temporary only. As soon as the missions and occupations will be revalued and balanced, we'll put again the current version of NH.

Rissa 20:11 UTC:

The rewards in nation points or dappers should depend of time spent, the one in fame only of completed missions.

Tamarea 20:18 UTC:

Another reaction before to move to next topic?
An official announcement on this first topic will be made in a few days.

Bubbason 20:48 UTC:

ok, on the subject of NH and an earlier comment that suggested the main benefit to the old way of working was faction points (for Crystals or Generic Materials). This statement is incorrect in part.
Actually, players preferred the old way of working because it meant that, for perhaps 30 minutes, they could do occupations to gain dapper + factions points, after which they were free to enjoy their time on Atys doing whatever they pleased
So, actually, the old way of working supported freedom of choice
But, my question is this:

Q: We propose to put back *temporarily* the old NH system whilst we update the various missions, after which we'll go back to how things are currently. What steps will be put in place to make sure we don't repeat the same disaster as we did with the JY2603 patch?
A: We will proceed in several steps:
1 - restore the old version of NH.
2 - revalue and balance the missions, let you test them in game and give us your feedback.
3 - revalue and balance the occupations (perhaps by putting back the advanced occupations), let you test them in game and give us your feedback.
4 - Restore the current version of NH once points 2 and 3 are completed.

Q: So, you propose the run the old NH system in parallel to the re-balanced missions to allow players to test them, before re-removing the NH system again?
A: Yes

Triplex 21:03 UTC:

if there are missions for the occupations, there is no need to do step 4, because no one will use this step if there is a better one than the actual NH, so if there are missions for occupations, the nh needs a new system or he dies
the old one is overpowered maybe..
the new one is Under powered

Fyrosfreddy 21:04 UTC:

If I may, think 4 means a modified version whereby you can't get 50 fame in a few hours effort

Bubbason 21:04 UTC:

Hm, I don't see how that will work because mostly, it seems that players preferred the rewards from NH + the freedom of choice it gives them. The re-balanced missions take too much time.

Tryroamer 21:09 UTC:

i have listened attentively to this discussion: a suggestion i already made in the foren might be here worth repeating:
when all has been balanced and tested and found to be good
additionally the missions results (occupational) could be given new value as ingredients needed to other accomplishments
those improved occupational missions perhaps already do this? if so then the problems here feared do not come into being

Triplex 21:11 UTC:

hmm i think the translater doesnt work correctly, but yea, the nh doesnt have to get out" he will die, because no one will use it with the actual state
the old status forces you to porten when the limit is reached so you can give up.
The new system brings a bad yield. both are not balanced systems.

Tykus 21:16 UTC:

I will try to answer all questions
yes It's why when we recoded the NH we made the change, but it was a emergency case, recoding NH like it was took more time than recode without rewards.
But doing like this created a hole in the rewards for players :)
This Nh system remains sensitive, it often remains blocked and is not very accessible to the CSR to see who gave what...

Triplex 21:20 UTC:

the old system without caps of 3000 and a little less reward, then everyone has the free choice, is not permanently restricted if 3-4 people give at the same time and still gets a usable reward

Tamarea 21:23 UTC:

Triplex: I encourage you to join dev team and help!

Tykus 21:26 UTC:

To freddy: there is many way to up your fame to 50, NH was so easy,it was used to the detriment of all the missions dedicated to fame :p

2 - Marauder gameplay

Tamarea 20:18 UTC:

The new Marauder region under creation will be located near the Nexus and will be connected to it by a vortex.
The working group is in the process of adding vegetation to this new area, which is empty by default.
Important note: this new map is the first one we are creating from scratch, which is very promising for the future!
So we managed to reach the ultimate stage dreamed of when Ryzom Forge was created: "The last stage, called the New Zone project, will consist in the creation of a new game zone."

Lumae 20:23 UTC:

Congratulation for the work done !

Q: When will the tool used for these creation of areas be available? For testing, proposals and so on...
A: For the moment, the creation is done manually. It is planned to write a manual explaining how.

Bastien 20:30 UTC:

OK. I'm ready to help if needed (not so bad at understanding :-)
… and congrats, of course.

3 - Ranger rite

Tamarea 20:33 UTC

It has been fixed and is now operational again.

Tryroamer 20:34 UTC:

i am very happy to hear of the RR having been repaired and being now operational
To whom does one (Trytrytry for example) turn in order to participate in that rite please?

Kiwalie 20:37 UTC:

Thanks all for the Rite :-)

Q: Why do I raise my hand, and still get ignored?
A: (not answered)

Bubbason 20:38 UTC

You may as well finish your discussion now since we moved on.

Tamarea 21:25 UTC:

The clock is ticking and it's time to move on to the last topic. We will come back to this at the next meeting. In addition, an official announcement will be made, so you can also react on the forum.

4 - Recrutement

Tamarea 21:25 UTC:

Translation team recruits volunteers!
To translate / proofread into Spanish
To translate / proofread into Russian
To translate / proofread into German

Support team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain

Animation team recruits volunteers!
From North America
From South America (speaking Spanish and English)
From Australia timezone
From Spain
In particular, we need American animators in order to be able to play roleplay events in US time slots.
For any questions or applications, please send an email to tamarea@ryzom.com

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