DISCUSSIONS AROUND ONGOING PROJECTS

If I don't know that public transit exists, I hardly know to ask for a schedule, now do I.

I have been on Boss hunts at times when I am online. Dante mostly, but also Goo-Pei. Nothing was ever said at that time about any regularly scheduled hunt.

It's true that I am not usually online at 20:00 UTC, but I can be if I make a special effort (such as when there is a Ranger Assembly). I've never seen any chat at that time either. Normally I'm online between 03:00 to 08:00.

It is one of the glories and the downfalls of Ryzom that the presence of information is only available through interaction with people in game. It makes things more intimate, but it also means that if someone doesn't know a thing exists they can't ask about it.

As far as the original complaint. Make your choice: Boss Hunt or Event. Events are one time only and according to you boss hunts are frequent. I know what I would choose.
In my opinion: yes.
However, that is indeed the case except for the few Pei-Ruz and Dante missions I have been on.

I just can't fathom a world where anyone living in a metropolitan city hasn't seen a bus or a train since they have lived there. I have traveled to 40 - 50 cities just in the course of being on the board of my professional society and I'm there for just 2 - 8 days.

It's rare when visiting those cities that I do not see a bus or a train on the way to the hotel from the airport. In none of those cities was there a lack of information on transportation available at the hotel ... in room, at concierge or at front desk. Similarly, I imagine folks have seen other folk walking around in NPC Armor. And if they didn't my only conclusion would be that they are on Silan or haven't played very much on ML.

I may not know that there's a water park, blues club, great restaurant nearby but when I ask "what attractions" are nearby", I do get pointed to a person knowledgeable on that subject.

Now if neither myself or anyone in my group is interested in using public transportation, I don't think there's justification in saying "nobody told me". What sounds more reasonable ?

a) I am interested in a particular service or a list of available services, so I ask someone in my group or anyone I see if they know ?

b) I have someone in my group (as in guild) assigned with the responsibility of assembling information and placing on the association web page (as in Guild Forum / MOTD) for the group's annual convention.

c) The hotel sends someone up to the room for each of the folks in your group at various times of the day to knock on the door and say "Hey, we have room service" .... 10 minutes later "Hey do you need public transit information ?" ... 10 minutes later "Do you need a list of attractions ?" ... 10 minutes later "Hey, we have dry cleaning and laundry service" ... 10 minutes later "Hey we have PC and print services in our business center". This is repeated at least once a day during your entire stay because folks need "repeated reminders".

Ryzom is a complicated game, As "Captain CRS", I don't see it as other player's responsibility to repeatedly remind me that resources exist. When guildies ask for new armor, we teach them how to know what QL they need or can use. They have the IG Bunny Tools, there's a spreadsheet we can send or they can remember or write down say "HA QL = Constitution + 10". It's the player's responsibility to write that down, bookmark the page or whatever.... not anyone else's to continually provide the same info over and over again.

"The recipe for WC Level 1 is 6-3-4-5-1":
"100% Damage recipe for ammo is Mitexi, Koorin / Gulatch, Any resin"
"The Ryzom wiki web page is ...."
"BM Weather chart can be found here..."
"BM Material maps can be found here..."
"BM XP Calculator can be found here..."
"Appzone can be found here..."

I certainly would not welcome repeated reminders such as those randomly spammed in uni ... if someone asks, will respond immediately if i see it.

A player "interested in learning about opportunities in game" would read those resources when directed thereto. If sent to Ryzom Wiki / or BM. I'd see the strategy guides on Wiki and the Dressing Room on BM ...

Can RyGReg be right in that you were "last seen on Atys" on May 25th. If that's the case, it would certainly be understandable that you weren't up on scheduling or other new activities. I see on the web site that PT has 1.46 points so someone in guild apparently knows about them. Someone was there on 04-15-2017, 12-28-16, 11-06-16 and 08-23-16.

For the mini bosses, I see you, Itzy, Sherkalyn and Hwinoree on the list. How do you track your mini boss points ? Who registers your attendance thru the app or whatever to get it listed here ?

http://www.ryzom-bosses.com/char.php

And since the "nobody knows" subject was broached here in this thread, I have been asking at other random times if anyone is unaware of the Hunts and, again, no responses other than "when is next one" ?

Granted, I would love to have a small box for **regularly scheduled** player events like group hunts, craft fairs etc which could by submitted and the event team decides whether they qualify for the spot. It's not like the page doesn't have loads of empty space. But that hasn't happened as yet and **if someone wants to participate** or find out what it's all about, all they need to do is ask.

Not everyone in guild participates in the various activities, but in our guild forum, we have threads for most all the events that happen on Atys.

The GMOTD always lists a) Next NPC Hunt, b) Next Season Change, c) Upcoming Atys Events of note and d) OP Battles if any

I, and others, don't go to OP battles so those have no interest in when they occur. We do make it our business however to make sure that our guild members, new and old, know about such events thru forum posts and GMOTD because we want our members to be aware of the various opportunities available.

The "Make a Choice" thing, is just illogical. Scheduling an event at the same time as another event is simply "Bad Planning". If it was unavoidable, yes, the choice thing makes sense; but that is certainly not the case here with a relatively empty calendar most of the time.

This week there are Zorai meetings on the 5th and the 8th, a Matis meeting on the 7th, same as the Hunt. With 3 events that week, maybe it couldn't be avoided, so yes, "make a choice" would then apply **in this instance**. Still, assuming an equal potential audience, which one gets more attendees ?

For the rest of September, the event team managed not to conflict ... that's good planning. As for the staff being unaware, that has already been addressed by staff as "unimaginable".

Freddy, I would welcome if (with your approval) the above post might be moved - together with related others - to the NPC boss hunt discussion forum.

As already told, I do not agree that the event team should take NPC boss hunts in account, at least not with top priority. It could be taken in account to some extent, ofc, to secure better participation.

But the top priority is the availability of the event guide organizing the event, and that one seems to have a narrow time schedule (in one part of the series, it did not even suffice to secure non french translation of in-event documents).

No. And that app is written by one of my guildies...

And that's one of the reasons I don't use apps in game. They are all amateur, which means that they cannot be trusted inherently. Some may be trustworthy and some not, but one cannot assume that they are.

As for "public transit", that was a metaphor, and boss hunts are nowhere near as obvious as mass transit.

Yes, I would prefer a postponement, too. Yet, between Sep 24 and Sep 30, there is only the Thursday Sep 28 with a conflicting event. Must it be a whole week?

Again, I can't imagine any one living in a civilized area not knowing that mass transit exists .... the 1st thing I do when traveling anywhere on busines is d/l all the mass transit maps to my phone app.  I don't know that [insert destination here] has mass transit, so I make it y business to find out.

Since this subject has come up, I have made occasional announcments in public chat channels at various hours between 8 am and 4 am EST.   "NPC Hunt Tomorrow ...  usual time ... if you need particulars send PM".  No PMs rec'd to date.

I think the issue in your instance is, unfortunately, not being on line during the hours it occurs.  Announcements are made in public chat channels with regularity in the hour leading up to each hunt.   So if ya not on to "see them" or the hours I listed above, it's likely because its outside the hours you play in which case is of no significance.

In any case, I think the issue has been addressed with the sticky.

What source can ?   But I really don't understand the concern.  Also remember, much of the new game content (i.e. gear groups) has been supplied by volunteers (amateurs), in some cases the very same people who wrote apps.  They are certainly going to be as accurate as the source material.   So if we are going to say "Use BM Maps / Silenda Maps / Yubo Maps" or "use BM Craft Patterns" or "see the wiki" when all the app does is open a window IG to that exact same page, I'm not sure I understand how one can one be more or less reliable / accurate than the other.

As for Bunny Tools .... we do get the occassional note saying that a data point is in error.  The Mob Data Bunny Tool for example contains 1536 pieces of data.  In the 12 years we have been using it, 2 corrections have been made.  That's 99.9% accurate as of 2005 and improved since then.  The exe mats tool has 11,280 data points, each one was verified by 2 peeps before being recorded in the tool.  The season availability is the same as BM site, so one is no more valid than the other, the time and weather data was done by homins who are fallible and so far 2 instamces of errors have been reported, now fixed.   So far we stand at 99.99% since release.

The OP Registry just looks at the game code and pulls it out .. there is a delay from when the 2nd battle ends and the chnage occurs but I don't understand the mechanism responsible.  The occupation tools are just based upon the system clock.  You push a button, and it inserts the known cooldown time.  I use one of the mats calculators every day, since release i think only fix has been a mat name was mislabeled.

The mat data we all relied on when using bubblegumcrisis site or Kipeecraft, is the same data found in Molly's Materials and Recipies.  They do not always give exact same answers but they vary by tenths of a % point as the new IG stuff has improved claculation methods and, if I understoof Arc corectly, is therefore more accurate / relaible and faster than the older tool.

Now in the RyGReg and the Fame Traker Tool case, this is an excellent work which is "in progress" as noted by the Versioin No. being less than 1.0 (0.7 and "0.4).  It's a beta.  There are folks who are comfy using Beta's and those who are not.  I'm in the first group.   I was one of those who participated in each of Ryzom's betas including FBT.  Many of my best Ryzom experiences where discovering and working to fix the early bugs and trying to help find the cause of current ones.

I use "World Clock" and to date, I haven't found it to give me the wrong time.  It's icon is less than an inch from Windows System time on screen so i can see both at the same time if i choose to do so.  Same info as here:

https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/

In short, the point I wanna make is ... the IG Tools, at least the ones Im using fall into 3 major categories

a)  Web Viewers - If the web sites everyone relies are are deemed accurate enough to use, then the tools which allow you to view those same web sites in game shouldn't be any different.  BM App, RyzomBosses just open a window into a web page.  With the same data being viewed from the same source, accuracy / reliability is identical.

b)  File readers - Zyroom remote reads the guild and apartment inventories for you by reading a file (string_client.pack) on your HD.  If Zyroom is accurate, then anything that views the same file IG should also be accurate.  Of course that file doesnt get updated until after you exit game but when viewing inventories for craft needs, I really don't worry about what got added in the last 75 minutes since I logged in.  99 time soutta 100 its gona save me a walk back to GH / Apartment to check.

c)  API Readers - Probably a misnomer but best i could come up with.  The more tricky ones are the ones that pull directly from data stored, I assume,  on server elsewhere which can ve viewed from the API.  I would guess that this is what Moniq is doing at least in part and, given the beta status, I'm reasonably confident that she will get these working in the officially released version or that any unreliable features will be removed.  Yes, at present, all features may not be 100% reliable but its better than nothing.... that's why it's "in beta".

The error we spoke of tho is a lot like how deposit tracking works.  It is working as intended but the descrition of the function is less than accurate.  RyGReg I think suspect may be recording "When you last used one of Moniq's apps" rather then when you were "last seen" in game.,