DISCUSSIONS AROUND ONGOING PROJECTS

Thank you, Mjollren.  It's been a while, and now that I think of it, there might have been two lower level players battening on my dig the last time...

The real point is as a q250 digging q150, my cp-er gets nothing.

The quote is wrong my post was quoted by someone else ^^

Alts exist in nearly all MMO.
I see few different alt type
those how are used as storage extension. It's the simpliest way to have what we cannot get with our main char because the game do not alow us to buy or rents storage extension.
How many alt for storage could be droped if we where able to buy/rent storage extension ? I'm pretty sure the number is obscene !

Then we have alt used for help will XP, some exist because of the lack of population the other are used make the game simplier and btw avoid the risk of DP witch is part of the game.

When a CP is used, you remove the risk of death, so I whould not be suprise if few players use bot for both, digger and CP.


Dig his node instead of using him as a CP. He will have XP.

First and foremost when we talk about Cp'ers my alt is completely secondary in my mind when I am talking about the changes. The main point is that if the free changes brought people into the game like we hoped it would then we would have people that have no idea how to dig and we would want to power level them to a point that they had the abilities and we could show them everything in one go. As a 250 crafter I have no use for 150 mats even for over crafting right now (this is not the case for everyone), and as a 250 digger in every land I can dig in every land at 250 and therefore I do not want to dig at qlty 150...the mats are useless to me. I want to be able to help someone and dig mats that are useful to me at the same time. That is where I am coming from in this.

I dug for the first 5 years of this game without and alt cp'er and when I logged into the changes I went right back to digging with out him. Like I said in my first post a free cp'er is a nicety not a need and is not the reason I mentioned the change at all.

 

Fixed -- sorry for the misattribution.

I am not at all sure this is true if dig is limited to q150 and I am at q250.  I will have to run a test or two.

FOR SCIENCE!

Gentlehomins of the New Trykoth Council of Scientists, and to all others to whom this message may come, Greetings!

It had come to my attention that a good many theoretical statements had been expressed, even by myself, in regard to the matter of how much experience a novice harvester might achieve when helping a master harvester, either as a careplanner or as a prospector.  It struck me that theoretical considerations aside, it would be easy to test the matter by actually digging under the circumstances in question.  It is upon this foundation that the NTCS is built!

Therefore I, Master Harvester MacOd Bittty, Associate Scientist NTCS, together with my beautiful and talented lab assistant, Crazyitzy, traveled first to Fount, then to Enchanted Isles and finally to Loria.  Crazyitzy being of the 64th rank as measured by the trainers and being of the the class of homins who play freely, provided the proper control for this study.  In all cases she and I were linked in a team blessed by the Powers. (*)

In Fount the maximum quality of material that can be extracted is of the 15th level.  We tested both the situation of her pulling nodes to the surface and myself harvesting, and of my pulling nodes to the surface and she careplanning for me as I harvested.  In all cases I dug with stanzas of extraction to the 25th level.  After our tests in Fount we then proceeded to Enchanted Isles and then to Loria just inside the gate to Avendale. Our results are tabulated at the bottom of this report (XP is always for the novice since the Master gains none by any harvesting action).

Results:
1) Even with a 3rd degree  pick (the maximum that the Powers allow her to wield) Crazy was able to bring nodes to the surface in all three regions and to careplan when I was harvesting them.
2) While she was careplanning for me, the quality of materials that I could extract was limited to the 15th level, regardless of the region.
3) If she careplanned for nodes that I had brought to the surface, she received significantly more experience than if she brought the nodes to the surface.
4) If she brought the nodes to the surface but did not careplan, she received the same experience, but I was able to harvest materials of the highest quality!

Conclusions:
1) If a novice does careplanning for a Master she will always gain more experience if the nodes are brought to the surface by the Master than if the nodes are brought to the surface by herself.
2) It is the careplanning action of the novice who plays freely that reduces the quality of the extracted materials. However, if the novice brings the nodes to the surface, she will obtain similar experience whether or not she performs careplanning actions.
3) If the only goal is to increase the experience of the novice, then having the Master prospect and extract and the novice perform careplanning yields the best results, albeit with lower quality of extracted materials.
4) If the desire of the team is to obtain high quality materials while assisting the novice, the best plan is to have the novice prospect and the master dig without careplanning assistance.

I realize that these results have not been verified in other lands, but we have in previous studies shown no reason to expect that our favored lands here in Aeden Aqueous are that much different from the lands in other nations.

Respectfully submitted.
MacOd Bittty,
Associate Scientist, NTCS

Supplemental Data.

Fount (15th level)
Novice prospect, Master harvest  - XP = 1457 (13 mats)
Master prospect, novice cp   - XP = 2483 (15 mats)

Enchanted Isle (20th level)
Novice Prospect, Master harvest (novice cp) - XP = 1511  (15 mats,  materials limited to q150)
Master prospect, novice cp - XP = 2483 (11 mats, q150)

Loria (25th level)
Novice prospect, Master harvest (novice cp) - XP = 1377 (11 mats, q150)
Master prospect, novice cp - XP = 2483 (8 mats, q150)
Novice prospect, Master harvest (NO CP) - XP = 1377 (11 mats, q250 !!)



[OOC]
(*) Crazyitzy is F2P and level 64, and we played in team.
((3rd degree = q150 pick. Regions of 15th, 20th, 25th level = (q150, 200, 250 region) ))[/OOC]

Not every f2p that careplans a Master forager is an alt, and careplanning is a very good way for new players to find and learn from other players. Since that use is so important for real players, should we punish them because many other care planners are also alts- not that alts are even wrong in this situation.

I’m glad you reverse this cp limitation, it’s mostly irrelevant for my digging style, but it did not fit with the other changes at all and was likely confusing.

I’m also watching this „alts are a bad thing for Ryzom“ discussion.
Consider this, no-one knows who my main char is because I have none, practically all of my chars are alts (older and younger homins, more or less played). Including 2 annually paid Premium subs. Having hordes of alts is just my way of enjoying role play games and it’s not yours to judge others play styles.

Precisely so. The only homins that accompany me on a digging expedition are other players who seek to gain experience quickly. (Widget refuses to assist in my digging; she says I'm too dangerous to be around when I am holding a sharp object.) Why should both of us be penalized just because that other player is F2P and some other players use F2P alts as careplanners?

But maybe some people feel that having subbed players decline to help newcomers with what is arguably the hardest skill tree to start will entice them to subscribe. Personally, I feel that it would lead to newcomers rage-quitting, but that's my opinion. It's also my opinion that the way any one player thinks Ryzom "should" be played is not the only valid option, though I suspect that some are too egotistical to ever admit that truth.