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#18 Added by Gidget 8 years ago [en] 

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Another problem with non-RPers killing the immersion of factionist RPers are TPs. Neutrals not having any PR TPs just forces non-RPers to choose one of the factions just for the TPs alone and they can't be bothered to try to follow the lore for that faction.

It's also a problem for those who would remain non-theistic if the game allowed us to do so without paying a steep price. So long as getting to PR and 250-zones without trekking requires being Kami/Kara, there are a lot of us stuck of us who feel coerced into adopting a faith we never wanted.

While there are a couple of factions that are violently anti-theist, one (Marauder) is also anti-hominist while the other (Trytonist) is strictly an RP thing that gets no perks for being more commited to their RP than someone too casual to declare allegiance to a religion/civilization. As for Ranger, their 250-zone pathways are nasty, they must trek to PR every time they want to go, and their restrictions on fighting other homins except in self defense effectively ban them from SNs and OPs.

In short, there is no viable, lore-friendly option for us Agnostics.

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#19 Added by Daomei 8 years ago [en] 

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While I agree to much of the post above, I have to disagree here:
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As for Ranger, their 250-zone pathways are nasty, they must trek to PR every time they want to go, and their restrictions on fighting other homins except in self defense effectively ban them from SNs and OPs.

In fact, the ranger apprentice pathfinder pathways towards 250 zones start in capital regions not far from every capital, not in PR. Granted that the endpoint of one of the pathways (to Loria) is of limited use (which is no big problem as access over HH and Avendale exists) and one other (to Void) sometimes harassed by a pack of kipuckas, that one being fairly useful though. The two others are excellent ways to reach GoC and SC.

As to ranger aspirants' participation in PvP activities, it is noteworthy that there in no ban for rangers. If a ranger aspirant chooses to train her combat abilities in duels, guild conflicts, or other PvP exercise, the precept of tolerance, together with the precept of balance (reminding consequences of actions) apply. Rangers must not engage in fights against a nation or religion, but they are not confined to mere self-defense. Being committed to all of hominity, they have to carefully decide whether or not engaging in PvP activities though, and many will decide or already have decided against.

So neither OP fights (as guild conflicts) nor SN digging and protection (as far as it is just resource acquisition not factional warfare) are forbidden for rangers.

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#20 Added by Nudge 8 years ago [en] 

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I always thought rangers are neutral... as far as factions, guilds, nations or religions.

We might have chaotic neutral or lawful neutral rangers, but we are neutrals as far as homins.

I believe Gidget was writing there is no way to get to PR for a ranger unless they trek to it. There is no ranger pathway which ends in PR.

Last edited by Nudge (8 years ago)

#21 Added by Gidget 8 years ago [en] 

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I believe Gidget was writing there is no way to get to PR for a ranger unless they trek to it. There is no ranger pathway which ends in PR.

That's pretty much it. I get to Loria through Avendale, SC from Dyron, and generally avoid GoC (and the rest of the forest aside from Yrkanis), so three of the pathways are of little/no interst to me. But I do need access to Void and PR, and having the Kara TP so close to Paramount Stock is convenient.

@Daomei - That's one interpretation, and one I hadn't really thought about. Thank you for that. I suppose that evolution of one's outlook and a bit of soul-searching makes for good RP.

In any event, I think Loved has some good ideas that might be able to be hammered out into something workable.

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#22 Added by Nudge 8 years ago [en] 

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If we are going by alliances, it would behoove both kara and kami to allow rangers to use their TPs, maybe for a higher cost, but still allow.

After all if I recall what I have read correctly, the story is rangers' primary concern is homins vs kitin, and rarely if ever take sides. When they do, they will side in a homin disagreement, it tends to take side to balance power or gross injustice.

It benefits both to have rangers to keep the other side in check.

I do know this will never happen.

#23 Added by Naema 8 years ago [en] 

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If we are going by alliances, it would behoove both kara and kami to allow rangers to use their TPs, maybe for a higher cost, but still allow.

After all if I recall what I have read correctly, the story is rangers' primary concern is homins vs kitin, and rarely if ever take sides. When they do, they will side in a homin disagreement, it tends to take side to balance power or gross injustice.

It benefits both to have rangers to keep the other side in check.

I do know this will never happen.

This would be cool and sounds like fun, however, Then everyone in the game would like to become a Ranger and that would not be very much fun either imo :/

#24 Added by Bitttymacod 8 years ago [en] 

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Daomei has stated the position that Wuaoi (our instructor) has repeated many times. The Rangers, as Rangers, do not take sides in conflicts between religions or Nations. They are neutral in those cases.

Wuaoi has also stated definitively, to the consternation of some who are anti-PvP, that OP battles, being guild-related and not a matter (in theory) of Nation or Religion may be participated in or not as the Ranger Aspirant feels is necessary or desirable. Of course if it becomes obvious that a Ranger is siding not on a Guild side but a religion or nation, they will have to be comfortable in justifying that.

The Rangers were founded to combat the kitins, and that still remains a focus of the group, but ever since the foundation of Silan have more and more acted as "honest brokers" when Nations and Religions have to meet in neutral circumstances to address problems.

As for Prime Roots and Paths (not tp's -- you can't rez to them and they have no safe zone unlike real tp's), we are waiting with some greater or lesser degree of patience for the Ranger Rite and access to PR paths. However, I have been playing true Neutral since the Second Swarming, and I regularly hunt in PR. (I also re-sole my boots every year.) It can be done. It may not be convenient, but it can be done.

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#25 Added by Gidget 8 years ago [en] 

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It seems to me that the simplest solution is more Kitin involvement. It's been too long since Kitins were much more than a navigational hazard (KP) or good XP for near-masters (Great Kincher). That lack of a common enemy relegates Rangers to RP-only and makes Kami and Karavan go at each other just for fun. About the only ones not suffering are Marauders since they're inherently out to fight anything or anyone, homin or not.

We need a box of Kitins!

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#26 Added by Nuzanshi 8 years ago Multilingual 

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Fully agree with Gidget. Ryzom needs a big Kitin event at least once or twice a year.

Years ago, after server merge, I sent a concept for half-yearly or quarterly kitin events on national or regional level. Would be nice if the event team remembers this draft somewhere in their archive.

#27 Added by Nudge 8 years ago [en] 

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Nothing improves a platoon's cohesiveness than a good shelling...

It would be tragic if Kitins suddenly attacked a capital and Rangers had to rally everyone...

Jus' sayin' . . .

#28 Added by Nuzanshi 8 years ago Multilingual 

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Avec ma suggestion pour plus d'événements Kitin, j'ai parlé de l'ensemble de la communauté des joueurs. Ryzom a besoin de plus de grands événements d'action PvE pour tous.

#29 Added by Zilon 8 years ago [fr] 

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Et la guerre des temples, on nous l'avait promis le retour de la guerre des temples ......

#30 Added by Arcueid 8 years ago [en] 

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It seems to me that the simplest solution is more Kitin involvement. We need a box of Kitins!

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#31 Added by Remigra 8 years ago [de] 

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das wieder mehr kitin atacken kommen wäre eine gute Möglichkeit, meine liebste zeit wo auch der Zusammenhalt aller Factionen gegeben war war noch auf leanon, das haloween event, wo es die Wächter titel gab.

atys war nahezu überflutet von ihnen, kaum jemand konnte vor die Stadttore treten ohen Geleitschutz um die 50ger quellen zu graben.

Grosse schwärme bedrohten die hauptstädte, und töteten sogar zum teil die NPC ^^

gut es gab zu der zeit nur 3 Möglichkeiten, neutral kami oder karavan zu sein, dennoch sind sie über ihren schatten gesprungen, haben ihre Diskrepanzen begraben und sind gemeinsam gegen ihren feind getreten.

sicherlich war dieses event eine schlimme zeit für neue und kleine spieler, die wirklich nicht aleine mehr vor die tür konnten, doch etwas überlegt die horden von kitins gesetzt würde dieses Problem schon beseitigen.

RP hin oder her, schaut auf die reale welt. was würde passieren wenn die existenz aller bedroht sein würde? würden die Länder engstirnig auf ihre Meinung beharren? oder würden sie plötzlich mit den angeblichen feinden, zusammen seite an seite stehen?
viele müssen dann RP technisch sehr weit über ihren schatten springen, aber je ehr sie das lernen, je ehr wird es eine neue Spielqualität geben.

ein kluger man sagte eins: verbünde dich mit den feinden deiner feinde, oder mach die feinde deines feindes zu deinen freunden. sobald alle ein gemeinsames feindesbild besitzen, erst dann wird es möglich sein diese Bedrohung zu besiegen.
doch der feind in dir selbst, ist dein größter feind vergesst das nie!


soh jetzt dürft ihr mich zerfleichen ^^ ... ok Lollis gehn aber auch ^^

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#32 Added by Siela 8 years ago [de] 

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Naja, wir stehen in der realen Welt vor einer gemeinsamen Bedrohung, die Klimaerwärmung, arbeiten wir deshalb etwa zusammen? :P

Davon abgesehen bin ich mit dir einverstanden ^^

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