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#33 Added by Lopyrech 7 years ago [en]

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Bitttymacod

In other words the translation group has not only not been given the translations to do, the variables have not even been set up to be translated yet.

Everything is setup since 3 months to be translated.
The problem is those new strings hasn't been included (and possibly, also not yet translated) in the client data, so the translations system show a <NotExists:...> (it's the same for right click > copy/open link in chat btw)

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#34 Added by Bitttymacod 7 years ago [en]

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Umm... that's what I would mean by "set up" -- included in the client.

I understand what you are saying, and am now a little clearer on what you mean.

My main point was, and I think you'll agree, that despite the error message, the group is being set up and could be used.

--B

P.S. -- I am mildly pleased to see that I predicted reasonably well the value of the variable.
+cmdCreateGroupSuccess1 [Group %name successfully created.]

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#35 Added by Craftjenn 7 years ago Multilingual

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using a french linux, it worked D
the "NotExist:uimGroup" is not cute, but the feature is very nice - thanks soooo much ;)

sous linux en francais, ca marche D
le "NotExist:uimGroup" n'est pas tres joli, mais la fonctionalité est super - super merci :)

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#36 Added by Dacurly 7 years ago [fr]

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Patch fixed most of this for me, still not loading weapon that is in the group I create. At least all the Armor is loading now, makes /naked and reloading armor much better.

#37 Added by Lopyrech 7 years ago [en]

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Dacurly

Patch fixed most of this for me, still not loading weapon that is in the group I create. At least all the Armor is loading now, makes /naked and reloading armor much better.

I'm aware of this, the fix will be available in next client patch I think.

In the mean time, you can open your groups_*.xml file, find the bad group, and remove the line containing a slot="HandL", this will solve the issue.

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#38 Added by Dacurly 7 years ago [fr]

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There is no "HandsL" in the xml file, there is a "HandL" in the file and I deleted it and it works now. I see a "Hands" also in there, could this be the issue? I'm by no means a programmer, Just something I noticed. Since "Hands" (meaning both I am thinking)
has 1 hand empty, it loads both as empty or saves both "HandL" and 'HandR" as empty? IDK, just making guesses here.

#39 Added by Lopyrech 7 years ago [en]

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Dacurly

There is no "HandsL" in the xml file, there is a "HandL" in the file and I deleted it and it works now. I see a "Hands" also in there, could this be the issue? I'm by no means a programmer, Just something I noticed. Since "Hands" (meaning both I am thinking)
has 1 hand empty, it loads both as empty or saves both "HandL" and 'HandR" as empty? IDK, just making guesses here.

Ooops yeah, typo on my part, it's HandL without a "s".
Hands actually means whatever is equipped in your armor hand slot, so it's for gloves (it can be a little confusing :P), no relation to this at all.

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#40 Added by Dacurly 7 years ago [fr]

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Just tested it out with 3 more groups , with 2 weapons, no weapons and 1 with no Armor, just my Pick, all worked fine but the Pick group, it saved the group but did not reload as naked and a Pick (the way I made the group) I am thinking that's the way it should be :)

FYI,Here is what it saved for the just Pick Group.

<group name="Dig">
<item createTime="1498076845" serial="5199494" slot="HandL"/>
<item createTime="1498076845" serial="5199494" slot="HandR"/>
</group>

Another thing I noticed is that the xml file is NOT saved until you log out. I even waited for the in-game save to happen and the xml file did not change to show the new Group until I logged out.

Also I changed the xml file so it was not proper just to see what would happen, the game would not load. So be careful if you change it with a text editor.

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#41 Added by Ekoh 7 years ago [en]

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Dacurly

Another thing I noticed is that the xml file is NOT saved until you log out. I even waited for the in-game save to happen and the xml file did not change to show the new Group until I logged out.

It's the same with xml files for key and interface, they are saved only when log out.

If your client crash, then you lose all changes.

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#42 Added by Krill 7 years ago Multilingual

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J'ai l'impression que la fonction ".true" a oublié le diadème, dans les slots à vider.

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Peu importe que la chope soit à moitié vide ou à moitié pleine, tant qu'on a le tonneau.

#43 Added by Lopyrech 7 years ago [fr]

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Krill

J'ai l'impression que la fonction ".true" a oublié le diadème, dans les slots à vider.

Hum, tu es sûr ? je viens de créer un groupe quand je n'avais pas de diadème avec true, et ensuite il me rajoute bien un diadème dans les slots à vider

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#44 Added by Krill 7 years ago [fr]

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Je reformule. J'ai créé un groupe "Craft", en .true, dans lequel je n'ai qu'une veste et un pantalon.
Quand j'ai une tenue complète (armure et bijoux, pour le forage par exemple), et que j'équipe ce groupe Craft, le diadème que j'avais précédemment reste équipé. J'ai regardé le fichier groups_krill.xml, pour le groupe Craft, et je n'ai pas de ligne

<remove slot="Headdress"/>

Je n'avais pas non plus laissé le diadème quand j'ai créé le groupe, car je n'ai pas de ligne du type

<item createTime="1457944880" serial="14593895" slot="Headdress"/>

C'est peut-être un problème ponctuel au moment de la création de mon groupe. Ou pas.

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Peu importe que la chope soit à moitié vide ou à moitié pleine, tant qu'on a le tonneau.

#45 Added by Lopyrech 7 years ago [fr]

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Krill

Je reformule. J'ai créé un groupe "Craft", en .true, dans lequel je n'ai qu'une veste et un pantalon.
Quand j'ai une tenue complète (armure et bijoux, pour le forage par exemple), et que j'équipe ce groupe Craft, le diadème que j'avais précédemment reste équipé. J'ai regardé le fichier groups_krill.xml, pour le groupe Craft, et je n'ai pas de ligne
<remove slot="Headdress"/>
Je n'avais pas non plus laissé le diadème quand j'ai créé le groupe, car je n'ai pas de ligne du type
<item createTime="1457944880" serial="14593895" slot="Headdress"/>
C'est peut-être un problème ponctuel au moment de la création de mon groupe. Ou pas.

Trouvé & fixé, ça sera dans le prochain patch client :-P

@Dacurly : found the issue and fixed it, It'll be in next client patch

Last edited by Lopyrech (7 years ago)

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#46 Added by Ekoh 7 years ago [en]

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I think Search string for inventory thread isn't fully appropriate to talk about this.

Lopyrech

Ekoh
A very nice feature could be the ability to search by ItemGroup name.
If you create an itemgroup and name it `guild_member_name` search for `ig:guild_membre_name` show the item group, it'll be usefull to retrieve a set of item for someone,
`ig` stand for `ItemGroup`

you can move item group in/out of guild by the way. It's not a default option because with non-unique ID it could have been a big issue. I'll probably change it to a default option now that we have unique ID. In the meantime, you can see this post : http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/26843/1& amp;post179345 to activate it
(however since item groups are stored client-side, only you will be able to move it by item group name, unless you share it with the other person)

To difficult without any simple import system to make this operation easy for everybody.

Maybe a system based on a link may work ?
IE : create an ItemGroup with `share:pseudo` option that send a link via PM to `pseudo` then, `pseudo` click on the link while in game and the new ItemGroup is added in his `group_pseudo.xml`

There's no reason to permanently save an ItemGroup created with the `share` option, but it might be handy to have it available until the ItemGroup was droped in the guild chest and/or logout.

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#47 Added by Lopyrech 7 years ago [en]

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Ekoh

I think Search string for inventory thread isn't fully appropriate to talk about this.
Lopyrech
Ekoh
A very nice feature could be the ability to search by ItemGroup name.
If you create an itemgroup and name it `guild_member_name` search for `ig:guild_membre_name` show the item group, it'll be usefull to retrieve a set of item for someone,
`ig` stand for `ItemGroup`

you can move item group in/out of guild by the way. It's not a default option because with non-unique ID it could have been a big issue. I'll probably change it to a default option now that we have unique ID. In the meantime, you can see this post : http://app.ryzom.com/app_forum/index.php?page=topic/view/26843/1& amp;post179345 to activate it
(however since item groups are stored client-side, only you will be able to move it by item group name, unless you share it with the other person)
To difficult without any simple import system to make this operation easy for everybody.

Maybe a system based on a link may work ?
IE : create an ItemGroup with `share:pseudo` option that send a link via PM to `pseudo` then, `pseudo` click on the link while in game and the new ItemGroup is added in his `group_pseudo.xml`

There's no reason to permanently save an ItemGroup created with the `share` option, but it might be handy to have it available until the ItemGroup was droped in the guild chest and/or logout.

It implies server-side storage & modifications (and of course client-side modifications), something I'm not a fan off (especially since it's modifications on the closed source of the server, ie mail app, which I don't even have access to) - so consider it not doable :)

Last edited by Lopyrech (7 years ago) | Reason: typo

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